pain of virago

So far we have:

♁ - Earth (Virago)

⚴ - Pallas/Athena (Virago)

⚳ - Ceres (Mollis)

⚴ - Juno (Mollis)

The last one you meant ⚵, right?

Both contenders for the Virago symbols are very hard to choose between. But the edge has to go to Pallas because of an attached history the first symbol can have to christian symbology (even if the design is really cool). The only downside for some may beis that Pallas looks too similar to the venus symbol, I particularly don't mind.

The mollis ones...symbolically make less sense, but I like the designs. Both signs take from goddesses of fertility and motherhood (like literally every other goddess, lets be real). Which isn't really something for feminine men.

for the ⚴ vs ♁ debate: personally i love both equally. what i think would break the tie for me is what we end up choosing for the mollis symbol and whether the symbology fits best. they should look good together

i do want to say in regards to ♁: it is the alchemic symbol of antimony, and yessss it gets its name from being used to poison monks. i get how that may be offensive, i do have mixed feelings on the bible because it condemns women dressing and living masculine and vice versa, but i do acknowledge theres some sects of christianity that are more progressive

mainly, antimony symbolizes wildness, and the beastial nature within, fighting "domestication", as well as has associations to wolves, which have no gendered hierarchy and share hunting and rearing offspring equally

but i do think having athena represent the virago community is cool as hell, i love that shes associated with both war and wisdom, and that shes usually got a weapon in hand. also most early depictions had her in masculine clothes which. yes

now for mollis: i have a few different suggestions

if we wanted it to match with antimony/metals, we could go with 🜚, which is the symbol for gold, associated with perfection and transformation. sounds a little fancy i know, but i like that it somewhat resembles the male symbol but different, and because it goes with the color orange

it is also represented by ☉, which symbolizes the sun (a lot of materials were associated with planets) and the god apollo, who was considered "the most beautiful of the gods" and was associated with healing, prophecy, archery, poetry and music

one reason i like this one is because ♁ + ☉ = 🜱, so we'd have something built in for nonbinary people to use

lastly theres also eros, son of aphrodite, another beautiful male god of love and desire. this is his symbol:

i do like that it also slightly resembles the male symbol but different. ...only i couldnt find a text character for it. there are a few alternatives we could use, like ❤︎➶ or maybe 𓆩❤︎𓆪 since the guys got wings. could also use 💘 but i dont love it because then i think of that winged baby 🤣