Do you have any legit reason for calling it a cult? Or do you just dislike them
How can you tell someone is one of these white middle class people you speak of? What should i watch out for
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Here I've basically answered this before but I do have a lot more to say so buckle in because you literally asked for it.
First, excerpts from private essays alters in here have written -
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"Many cults and fringe spiritual communities have sprouted from Western religious fundamentalism, based on the idea that symptoms of mental illness arenât really mental illness, that medicine and psychology canât be trusted, and that what mentally ill people need is to somehow ascend passed their illness.
We see this in Scientology for instance, which when you look at it, actually holds similar ideas to endogenic spirituality: symptoms of mental illness are attributed to alien ghosts plaguing the body, psychiatry is completely rejected, and the only way to treat mental illness is to ascend to higher consciousness.
Obviously, Scientology isnât the only cult that believes such things, just the most recognisable. If you look through the history of Western cults and fundamentalism, youâll find an on-going theme of rejecting psychiatry, rejecting medicine, and telling people their mental illness is either a gift from god or a curse they have to overcome.Â
Endogenics hold the exact same position: symptoms of a mental health issue (dissociation, identity disturbance, internal voices) arenât symptoms of a mental health issue. Theyâre a natural part of you- in fact they make you a better person than if you were singlet. They treat âpluraltyâ as if itâs a higher state of being, and many of them come from faith backgrounds which most now reject, but have replaced by spiritualising mental health."
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"+ Link to a whole article denying DID systems personhood. Theyâre telling mentally ill people that to be considered worthy of personhood, they have to assimilate into this belief system. I also know many systems who have had this done to them when they were in âmixed originâ spaces, and have experienced this for myself. Itâs even worse in private spaces, where they canât be held accountable for their actions."
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Also to break this down / add to it:
They have a niche belief system that rejects our known understanding of the world while placing all their faith on an ideology with no proof behind it and no support from respected institutions, either spiritual or scientific.
They actively target mentally ill and vulnerable people to assimilate into their belief system and instil a fear in them towards seeking treatment or of being seen as mentally ill, as well as an overall distrust in the field of psychiatry as a whole. (Not just criticism towards the institution for its many disgraces during its development, but an outright rejection of it as an idea.)
They go as far as to spread guides on how you can force dissociation or hallucinations- this is literally cult programming.
They further other forms of cult programming, such as system hopping which is inherently a tactic of abuse and control.
Anyone who denounces the cult is othered using language that would be incomprehensible to someone not in the cult - traumascum, sysmed, etc.
They treat their ideology and "plurality" as a higher state of being and use that as a method of recruiting others, telling singlets it's just better to be plural, and constantly challenging DID systems that they may be endogenic.
Their ideology causes the same harm towards mentally ill and vulnerable people that other similar cults do. People deny themselves treatment and worsen their symptoms, either purposely or through that denial.
We used to be pro endo. We were surrounded by endogenic systems. The things we saw them say in private spaces are even worse than what they get away with in public. Alters with loose grasps on reality were told they can't be a real person because they're just a symptom, and that if they felt like they were a "real person", then they HAD to be a "endogenic headmate" or a "soulbond".
Anyway as you can probably guess, this led to a denial of trauma, a denial there was anything wrong with them, an increase in dissociation and I remember one of them insisted he was "actually tethered to the body, not inside it". Bizarrely enough it even led to a complete denial of the system in some instances. (???? boy was smoking that snoop dogg shit ig)
Obviously the consequences of all this to the system as a whole were not good even if I'm able to joke about it now.
It's almost as if I dislike endos because I've seen the ramifications of their belief system first hand or something. Weird.
And before someone goes "WELL YOU SHOULDN'T BE COMPARING IT TO A CULT ANYWAY BECAUSE YOU'RE INVALIDATING CULT SURVIVORS BY-" I'm a cult survivor. I was raised in a cult. The whole reason some alters were susceptible towards the endogenic thing was because they were already pre-programmed to be influenced by those things. Over the years all these experiences have led to us being good at recognising cult programming. Also shut up.
Actually actually- on a side note-note. I think a problem some people have with this is they can't comprehend that a cult can exist on the internet, but you just have to look around you. Q-Anon started on the internet. Anti-vaxx and Alex Jones were popularised by the internet. There's other lesser known cults that started on Facebook or internet forums. This isn't new.
And additionslly, another reason endos aren't seen as a cult is because they align themselves with the left and the LGBT+ community. Since we're misunderstood communities who are used to being invalidated, we don't like the idea of invalidating others. It's easy to convince a queer person that their MAGA-hat wearing drunken Q-Anon uncle is a member of a cult and obviously shouldn't be validated. It's a lot harder to convince them that their fellow queer or disabled person who is overall well-meaning towards people, could also fall victim to a cult and also shouldn't be validated.
But again if you look at how cults actually operate, this isn't new. They often latch onto already misunderstood communities because they're less scrutinised there. It's not even a conscious plan on their part, it's just "well these people also have beliefs and ideas that aren't accepted by normie society, so I'll hang out with them."
And finally for more examples of endos being culty you can look at my tag: endo cult, because I call things what they are.
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Amy Ashenden, Interim CEO of Just Like Us, is dispelling the harmful trope that lesbians are against the trans community.
New research by Just Like Us has found that [UK] lesbians are the most likely of the whole LGBTQ+ community to be supportive of trans people. Lesbians are the most likely to say they know a trans person (92%), and also the most likely to say they are âsupportiveâ or âvery supportiveâ of trans people (96%). Thatâs compared to 89% of LGBTQ+ people overall, and just 69% of non-LGBTQ+ people.
⌠as a lesbian, I see so much overlap with the experiences we and trans communities encounter in the heterosexist world we live in. Particularly, as a butch lesbian, I know that we are both used to living in the margins, to not having our identities respected or understood. Lesbians and trans people stand side by side â we always have done and always will. And this isnât just my opinion, the research shows this is the case too.
So when you hear or read a nasty, false stereotype about lesbians being anti-trans, I hope youâll be able to see it for what it is: a lesbopobic trope.
⌠Transphobia is rising at an alarming rate in our society. I find it surreal when people fail to see the parallels between the tactics of promoting homophobia and the fear of the unknown used against us in the past, and the ways that trans people are being talked about today.
This article doesnât name who is spreading this lesbophobic trope: TERFs. Claiming to speak for lesbians is just one more way is which TERFs pretend to be a bigger group than they actually are, and one more way in which they try to falsely claim marginalization, obscuring that they are largely just the usual white middle&upper class straight conservatives, misappropriating the word âfeministâ to peddle their usual bigotry.Â
The next time you see a British TERF claiming to speak for lesbians, please remind them that 96% of lesbians disagree.
Iâm not mad about being âexcludedâ btw if I really want to vote on a poll I can make a stealth acc with nothing on it and just quietly vote on polls that really isnât a big deal. nor do I care about someone just blocking me or criticising me.
I was mad because Iâm dealing with constant floods of ableism recently from the same type of people who reblog posts about how we need to support mentally ill people and survivors even if theyâre âweirdâ
you guys just show your asses when a survivor/queer person/mentally ill person actually challenges your worldview or your sensibilities and it frustrates me
I have a million people blocked idc if you have me blocked but maybe consider why you have the reactions you do and why you think itâs okay to use the language you use, just because you dislike a blog
maybe if your kneejerk response to disliking a mentally ill person is to treat them like theyâre dangerous or weird, thatâs not a good reaction
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would be great if coolest-dragon-bracket would stop lying
You called a trans person "a fucking weirdo" for reclaiming slurs they are allowed to reclaim. (you're not even trans lol?)
You immediately vagued them to your followers.
When someone challenged you on not calling queer people "fucking weirdos" for reclaiming slurs, you changed it to be about syscourse while also talking about them like they were a mass shooter. (The usage of "manifesto")
No one cares that you blocked someone or are annoyed by them. They care because you're acting ableist and queerphobic and yes, you did blast them to your followers. It was very easy to tell by going through your blog who you meant because you literally described the very first things someone would notice about the blog. They received hate mail because of you but they don't acknowledge those things and left it unposted.
You don't even have a DNI so there was no way for them to know you didn't want them interacting. Even after this happening you STILL don't have a DNI.
my mutuals watching me blog for the past week like: this dumb bitch keeps saying heâs gonna move blogs. keeps spouting some bullshit about a redbubble store. you know what? I donât believe it. this faggot aint doing fuck except being ornery on the damn internet
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If itâs any consolation, Iâm also a cult survivor (different experiences, tho, and I wasnât raised in it, but I still have an alter who struggles with the programming they internalized.) and Iâm sorry that youâre being treated like this. The whole endo thing is a fucking mess to begin with and you deserve to at least be treated respectfully even if they disagree about the cult part (which is another thing entirely).
Thank you anon. I legitimately don't care if people disagree with me that's obviously their right. And I'm actually happy to engage people on those disagreements if they approach me as an equal and try to have a normal conversation. Especially if they are a fellow cult survivor, I think we should be able to have an adult freaking conversation on why as survivors we can reach totally different conclusions, and none of us are Wrong for that.
The fact people's kneejerk response to not liking what I say is to do shit like discredit me with half-truths, and try to make me seem crazy and violent and etc, says a lot about the people doing it.
Unfortunately in my experience no one will call them out on their blatant ableism and they'll just hide their heads in the sand and pretend I don't exist lol.
You can tell people know they're treating me unfairly by how averse they are to even acknowledge my responses lol. There's no excuse for the way they behave towards me and they know this. The only response you can really give is "fuck you're right, I'm being an ableist dipshit. I don't actually have the right to treat mentally ill people bad just because I judge them as strange or weird or even as stupid or irrational. that's literally the basis of ableism and I allowed my emotions to cloud my judgement and regress into those behaviours."
dichotomy of ânothing in the digital age is permanent, we are losing physicality and thus part of ourselvesâ vs. âeverything in the digital age is permanent, everything you do is recorded and stored for later use against you or to exploit youâ
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it does genuinely annoy me tbh that everytime someone wants to vague nonsense about me to discredit me or make me seem bad, they have to leave out and make up random stuff which always reveals their ableism and queerphobia
eg. this person just doesnât like what I have to say about syscourse on my blog, so they blocked me and made a big self-righteous post about how having reclaimed slurs on my blog makes me a âfucking weirdoâ
then when they receive pushback for this they switch it up to âomg he has a MANIFESTO on his pinned about a topic I disagree withâ, revealing what the actual problem was to begin with. the slurs were literally not the problem and were used as an excuse to paint me as scary and violent.
but presenting it as âthis mentally ill cult survivor has a syscourse post as their pinned so they donât have to keep talking about it, and is also a trans man who reclaims slurs for himselfâ would be a lot different from âthis FUCKING WEIRDO wrote A MANIFESTO about SYSCOURSE. WHY would they even care omg they must be a violent scary person!â
but as a person with DID who is a cult survivor itâs very obvious why I would âcare that much about it.â, especially if you bothered to read the posts and not just see that a person with DID is talking about something you disagree with, so now you have to turn the ableism up on them
you can obviously disagree with me but this isnât how you go about it lol. you could have blocked me and just put âpeople who use slurs dniâ without any explanation or statement made about it instead of trying to make me seem like a violent crazy person for not living up to your standard of survivor/queer.
also to make things clear: literally all I did was reblog a post on my dash about a cool dragon competition, from an OP who had no dni and still doesnât, and they vagued me by calling me a âfucking weirdoâ and likening my actions to that of a school shooters. (âmanifestoâ is a very loaded term to be using against a trans person right now but ok.)