Let Me Tell You A Tale

What was the last straw that made you quit canon completely?

Do u pretend that anything after season 3 doesn't exist?

Why did you quit canon?

Hiii. I'll answer shortly below:

S4 finale was the last straw. Tbh, I didn't watch most of S4 after S4E4: I only read summaries of most of it (and it was enough ughh).

I like to think canon ended in S3 finale (with Lukanette being canon and endgame). That's MY CANON. BUT- I can acknowledge/accept S4 'Truth' and 'Wishmaker' (or occasionally some other episodes) for SOME SPECIFIC fan content to play with. I like Canon-divergence and AU content the most now (with Lukanette endgame, of course).

Nonono, you're NOT WRONG, op!

With "SOME SPECIFIC fan content to play with" I meant ANGST.

I LOVE the ANGST those episodes can bring to the ship (except "crocoduel". I hate that episode) and it's always nice to see how much Lukanette care for each other.

TBH, I really like how they never closed the door completely for Lukanette. Like- there's no reason for them to be INCOMPATIBLE, so it leaves an open door to reconnecting "X YEARS LATER" (which also plays well with the idea of 'second chance' khasbdahbds) and I LOVE that.

In my head, nothing can stop Lukanette from being happily together at the end.

I mean, he couldn't do worse than Kagami, who found out Marinette's Ladybug and decided to spill it to Felix

Or Alya and Nino, with the former deciding to tell Nino how she's Rena Furtive, despite Marinette telling her not to, and a later episode proving that Alya was an idiot for doing that, and Nino revealing his and Alya's identities to Adrien, but hey, that stuff gets glossed over for everyone not named Chloé.

Quick and dirty chart about Precanon Felix and what each last name tends to imply

It makes me a bit sad but is totally FAIR, tbh. I totally understand the feeling.

I just wanted to say that I’m not leaving. I don’t care about ‘fan wars’ or canon (canon is almost irrelevant for me at this point), I just want to keep drawing, writing and reading about my OTP because it makes me happy. 

That’s all. 

- Kaalki would’ve enabled Marinette to escape off the train and back to Paris in “Hack-San” and thus no replacement Ladybug would be necessary and thus there would be no Adrichat shilling scene where she promises to never abandon him. (Also could’ve avoided Scarabella being nearly cataclysmed or Marinette could’ve showed up with the Horse to catch him in the act of doing so).

Meanwhile Kaalki and the use of voyage is immediately remembered in “Strike Back” to retrieve and recruit “Adrien” for the fight, and Maribug was going to use it to bring him back to Paris before Strike Back showed up anyways.

- Completely changing the name and look for a hero to pretend they’re a different person entirely/that they got replaced would’ve been SO helpful for literally ANY of the compromised temp heroes to avoid being targeted (Optygami), especially Alya (especially since she still chose to go by Rena and got only a recolor for a design change) and maybe with their safety insured Marinette would’ve potentially let them keep their miraculous instead (which would lessen the blow of the finale).

The idea however IS used for Adrien in “Kuro Neko”, but instead of doing so to deceive Shadow Moth, he’s deceiving Ladybug to keep the miraculous even after he impulsively quit.

- Risk’s powers affecting Marinette leads to her ‘making a mistake’ (that she would’ve had to be psychic to avoid) which ends up with Gabriel getting ALL the other miraculous.

Risk’s powers affecting Adrien got him to vent to Marinette about his feelings and got him to go along with the plan to switch places with Felix, keeping him in Paris completely (the trip gets cancelled anyways after Strike Back is defeated, and since Chat Noir was not needed in the fight, Adrien would’ve gotten to stay in Paris regardless even if he sat out the fight on the train).

- Su-Han and Alya’s absence in “Kuro Neko” prevent Marinette from having someone that could find a replacement for the cat instead, or at the very least call out Plagg’s blatant lies (Su-Han in particular would have), instead of having her stress out over it and be manipulated.

On the flip side, their absence means there’s nobody to find a replacement or call out Plagg’s lies, meaning there’s no one to stop Plagg’s plan to give the ring back to Adrien (since Tikki just goes along with it), meaning Adrien gets the ring back, no issue.

- Marinette is lamenting her breakup with Luka in “Gang of Secrets”, is at an emotional rock bottom, her upset is directly tied to her duties as Ladybug/Guardian and her identity. She can’t ask anyone for help without compromising herself, she directly asks for help and receives nothing from Tikki/the Kwami. Her friends then barge into her room and mess with her things, giving her no room to breathe or process.

Adrien is at an emotional low in “Glaciator 2” after a firm rejection from Ladybug, but his problems are about his heartbreak, it isn’t a problem completely hinged on his identity and it’s something that could be talked about without compromising himself/his identity as Chat. Kagami offers him help directly without him even asking for it, and unlike Marinette who’s despair was made worse by her friends trying to pry and force her to talk with little regard to her feelings, Adrien is instantly comforted by Marinette attempting to give him a gift and Gabriel calling off the akuma and bringing him home with an offer to talk about it, no invasive attempts to get him to talk are made and his feelings aren’t disregarded.

- Luka finding out Marinette’s identity in Truth would’ve not only given her a more reliable confidant than Alya, but Lukanette’s relationship would’ve stayed intact and thereby avoided a lot of the things that went wrong for Marinette throughout the season. (Truth could’ve been avoided altogether, GOS wouldn’t have happened, Sentibubbler wouldn’t have happened, etc). See this post for a full breakdown: here.

Luka finding out Adrien’s identity (along with Marinette’s) makes it so not only can Luka be used to support the square (as well as a writing excuse to keep him away since his presence would break the paper thin plots the writers present us with), but him finding out the way he did and not telling Marinette about it ONLY serves to protect Adrien (if Luka was made to divulge how he found out their identities, Chat would be painted in a bad light to Maribug, Luka keeping quiet effectively shields Adrien from consequences).

- Speaking of Luka, him specifically being in the finale would’ve probably saved the miraculous from getting taken, as well as minimizing any collateral damage from Strike Back. There’s little-to-no chance SB could absorb his Second Chance ability (especially since doing so seems to require direct contact going by the other times it absorbed any abilities) so he could reverse damage as well as be able to warn the other heroes about Strike Back. Then he would’ve immediately caught onto the fact that Flairmidable was an imposter, with how Maribug was fawning over him Luka would likely put two and two together and realize she thinks it’s Adrien when he knows it can’t be. He’d have to come clean to her about his knowledge of their identities, but that would enable them to put a stop to Felix before he pulled what he did with the Dog miraculous. Meaning Gabriel doesn’t get all the miraculous.

Luka not being present in the finale makes the fight more dire, more collateral damage happens, and with no one to call out Felix, Felix runs off, hands Gabriel all the miraculous, and gives Adrien exactly what he wants: Ladybug having him and only him to rely on, with no backup. No more having to “feel replaced” and no more sharing her with the others. He is made her “most important partner” by being made her ONLY OPTION.

The fact we literally peaked in S1 with the small examples of characteristics and skills even in some of the more minor characters, is so sad and pathetic.

Like since season 1, do we ever see Marinette design something? There's the Kitty Section costumes but that's like? 1 incident in 3 seasons??? In S1 Marinette made Jagged Stone's glasses, the derby hat, that sneaky trap box thing for her diary, played video games with Adrien, and like??? Did stuff.

She DESIGNED things she MADE things she won her classmates over as class representative with negotiations. She was a character that did things and had interests and had skills that contributed to her being special.

Nowadays it's like, Ladybug is the only thing that makes Marinette unique or interesting or special. Every other facet of her life must cater to Adrien.

It's so like. Lazy. It's lazy writing.

I don't think Marinette admiring Gabriel's work is ever brought up again except in that one episode. Like it's just such a waste. That derby hat competition could have easily led to Marinette becoming a junior intern, getting closer with Adrien and her idol Gabriel, this sets up the LS...stuff and also gives Marinette like, a relationship to the villain. He was her mentor, her idol, but he was Hawkmoth the whole time too. But that opportunity is just, ignored.

Aww you're so sweet! Thank you!

please please please consider this im so tired