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hyde + jackie {season five}

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This might be a question that requires a more involved answer (and it might be one you've already answered lol) but how do you wish the six main characters had developed or evolved over the course of the show?
How I depict them in @those70scomics is one way. At some point, the comics' goal became to keep the characters from veering off their clearly established paths.
I wish T7S had done what The Middle did and create a fictional college that was close enough that the gang would end up hanging out at the basement seemingly more than they were in college. But barring that:
Rhonda never leaves. She and Fez continue to grow as individuals and as a couple. Their mutual interest in sweets becomes a joint career venture (that they'll go to the same school for).
Brooke never leaves. She and Kelso continue to grow as individuals and as a couple. We see them being parents to an infant than toddler, and Betsy's presence would affect everyone some way (but she wouldn't be a constant on-screen presence).
Hyde confronts Jackie and Kelso at the Pinciottis' in season 5. Hyde learns the truth about Jackie comforting Kelso -- and about his own insecurities. Hyde actually works on himself because, in large part, he doesn't want to hurt Jackie the way his parents hurt him. This storyline would be full of organic internal conflict, affecting his relationship with Jackie (organic external conflict). Jackie and Hyde's relationship would go through its trials but no breakups.
Eric and Donna have a long engagement with no wedding date set. They go off to college together at the end of the series.
Hyde's relationships with W.B. and Angie are more deeply developed. And W.B. and Angie themselves are more deeply developed. Who's Angie's mom? Did she die, and is that why W.B. and Edna have a brief relationship? Give us details, baby show. Details.
No alcoholic Kitty past S5. She actually gives up her schnapps and regains her normal level of intelligence.
Bob and Joanne stay together. Donna and Joanne develope a relationship.
Pam Burkhart is actually held accountable for her absence and abandonment of her minor child, who's left to deal (albeit unrealistically) with the family's financial fallout.
And so much more!
If Hyde and Jackie’s marriage fell apart, do you think they’d have a brutal, bitter divorce and custody fight? Or would it be amicable?
Depends on why they divorce. It can go so many ways. Lots of variables. This is not a question with only one answer. ✍️
Do you think Hyde would be nervous when he proposes because it’s a big moment or rather chill because he knows what Jackie’s answer will be?
Considering how peaceful Hyde sounds in S7 when he tells Eric, "No, I've decided [to marry Jackie]," I think he'd be nervous because Jackie leaves before the deadline she set for the ultimatum. Sounds contradictory, but now that he understands what he wants, Jackie's tossed a monkey wrench into a ln already screwed up situation.
Hyde can't be sure Jackie will say yes. He'd be feeling a mix of emotions, including resentment, but he'd let love override them. Once Jackie says yes, they'll have a LOT to talk about and work out.
Jackie, feeling secure in Hyde's commitment to her, would be more open to hearing his anger and resentment at the ultimatum and how she handled it. And that would allow her to explain how the ultimatum was a culmination of his attitude toward their relationship since "Winter" (7x11) and that him waiting until the last minute of the ultimatum deadline made her think he'd say no.
"It shouldn't have taken you a day and night of drinking beer to commit to me."
"Had to drink to think, man."
"Steven, that's horrible."
"I'm kidding ... okay, no I'm not. And you're not wrong."
Yeah, there's a longer ficlet here. 😅
Don’t get me wrong I love when Hyde texted Jackie about being zen but seeing as Jackie grew up with the more “popular crowd” don’t you think she’d kinda be used to not letting people see her lose it?
Hi Anon!
Respectfully, I completely disagree.
Jackie is an only child to a very wealthy, upper-class family. What we briefly see of Jack Burkhart on screen tells us that though he's largely absent, he's very much fond of his daughter. He gives her a substantial allowance (enough for her to spend a grotesque amount of money on Kelso throughout their relationship), allows her to drive his Lincoln Continental whenever she needs it, and presumably paid for horse-back riding lessons throughout her childhood (speaking from experience, this is not cheap!), to name only a few things.
I don't believe Jackie is a brat (as the writers would like us to believe), but I do think it's clear that her father certainly spoiled her as a child whenever he could. This could be due to a simple belief that his only child should have whatever she wanted, or could be some underlying guilt for being an absent parent -- we don't know enough about Jack to really tell.
My point is, I don't think Jackie was told 'no' a lot as a child. Her more demanding or abrasive (as Hyde puts it) personality traits are likely as a result of this and I believe those are traits she's had for the majority of her life. Until Donna warms up to her in S1, I don't believe Jackie has had a genuine friend her entire life. Jackie's reaction to Donna calling her a friend in 1x17 makes this really obvious to me.
I believe that most of her acquaintances at school merely 'tolerate' her because of her family's wealth and social status. Remember her father is on City Council and a business owner -- altogether a fairly public figure for the relatively small Point Place. Many of her more 'popular' acquaintances at school are probably of a similar social background and there's probably a certain level of 'expectation' for them to be 'friendly'.
Jackie claims to be an 'expert on girl lies' and 'good at lying', but I don't think she's as good at it as she thinks she is. With a few exceptions (usually when her pride is at stake), Jackie is actually not very good at masking her true feelings and is largely ruled by her emotions.
This comparison might not be entirely fair since we only see her for one episode, but Kat Peterson is similarly a 'wealthy popular girl' archetype. If you compare Kat's mannerisms to Jackie's mannerisms, they are almost nothing alike. Kat is aloof, superior, and generally callous. Jackie by comparison is sensitive, passionate, and more often than not generous. Jackie very clearly wears her heart on her sleeve in most episodes we see her in.
Jackie's sheltered upbringing and being spoiled by her father has led her to having this weird combination of confidence and naivety. She sometimes too easily expresses her frustration, impatience, sadness, anger, hurt, etc. and that makes her vulnerable. She allows herself to be manipulated by other people multiple times as a result (e.g. 1x13, 1x15, 2x25, 3x10, almost the entirety of S4, I could go on).
By teaching her 'Zen', Hyde at least teaches her how deal with Laurie's bullying in a more constructive way, as opposed to allowing herself to be constantly baited by her.
As a final note, while we know Jackie is on the cheer squad, the show never actually displays her interacting with that clique meaningfully. Only briefly showing us scenes with Leslie Cannon and Julie. We don't actually know how savvy her interactions with that group are -- though we do know that Jackie was unceremoniously kicked off the cheer squad in S6. This indicates to me that it's more likely she's not got the best relationship with them, and I'm sure Jackie's predisposition to speak her mind and express her feelings contributes to that.
Thanks for the ask! 💖
All of this. ^^^
Jackie is a very vulnerable character, which doesn't negate her strength, the behaviors and attitudes she absorbed from her parents, or the self-protection mechanisms she developed because of childhood wounding.
Jackie is shown giving on T7S more than she takes, despite her egotism. She gives Kelso presents and the money to buy her a dress, which he spends on a stake on The Hub's pinball machine. She expresses empathy toward Kelso and gives him support when he's impotent and can't have sex with Pam Macy -- when Jackie could've had every impulse to humiliate him further, as he'd done to her (mostly through Laurie) after Jackie wouldn't take him back within two weeks of dumping for his cheating on her ... with Laurie.
For more, check out out my meta Jackie Burkhart and Steven Hyde: Loser and Dirtbag?

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Title: Road Trip
Summary: The gang takes a good old fashioned road trip, with some of the traditional roach trip fun and chaos.
Pairings: Jackie/Hyde, Eric/Donna; Hyde and Eric (friendship), Donna and Jackie (friendship,) Fez and Kelso (friendship)
Rating: K+
Link: https://archiveofourown.org/works/88301031/chapters/234168736
Author’s Note: A fun fluffy summer piece that focuses on the gang and some of your favorite couples. Originally written back in 2013 (maybe 2014) I did clean up a few grammar errors before posting. Hope this story can bring a smile to your face, it's just something fun, something summery. 😎 It's a two part fic, not sure when I'll get the second part up BUT it's ready to go! Hope you all enjoy, don't forget to comment/leave a kudo if you have a moment to spare 💛
Another I've read and enjoyed! ☀️
Red and Kitty Moments in Every Episode (53/200)
“Squeeze Box"
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Who’s the dirtier talker: hyde or jackie?
See this post.
Would you rather see a scenario where Hyde almost loses Jackie or Jackie almost loses Hyde in a near death experience?
Both. I wrote them myself in Beneath a Shattered Sky. 😜
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Do u have any head cannons about Eric and Donna’s sex life?
T7S actually shows us and tells us a lot about it. 😂 The following aren't really headcanons but descriptions of what T7S reveals.
They're adventurous within Donna's boundaries. This is not a contradictory statement. As long as she's thinks no one will catch or spot them them, she's happy having sex with Eric, it seems, almost anywhere.
They're playful. Role-playing is one example. I'm sure they're playful in other ways sexually (playfulness is a core part of their relationship), as long as Eric keeps his fingers away from a certain area. *ahem*
Donna takes control at times (not in a kink, BDSM sense -- although I can imagine them experimenting once with light kink and both of them realizing it's not for them).
They enjoy having sex with each other a lot. ... A lot. A LOT. (The S6 celibacy story arc, a redressed or rehashed version of their pre-"First Time" sex arc, was torture for them).
@thatseventiesbitch probably has actually headcanons. Mine will all be based on and extended from Eric and Donna's canonical sex life.
🎶 ✨ when you get this, list 5 songs you like to listen to, publish. then, send this ask to 10 of your favorite followers (positivity is cool) 🎶 ✨ (okay if you don’t want to answer) :p
I don't have enough moots but this is so fun <3
gimme songs!!! you dont have to send it to other pwople its ok
well if you insist--
St. Louise Is Listening - Soul Coughing
Phanta - Le Tigre
Red Queen - Red Quean (I KNOW THEM PERSONALLY AHSJKD)
Soda Pop Rock - Black Pontiac
The Bidding - Tally Hall
<3
@sableandcherrimustdie you should do this too!!
hmhmmm
Everlong - Foo fighters
Hang em high - MCR
Camisado - p!atd
Mama - MCR
Gutless - Hole
@ourlizofsorrows
Ooooo okay hmmmmm
Autotheist- Baby Bugs
Pinkish- Gerard Way
She's the Prettiest Girl at the Party, and She Can Prove It With a Solid Right Hook- Frank Iero
Build God, Then We'll Talk- p!atd
Zero Zero- Gerard Way
@moonyluvsmusic @willow-wisp-fae @ray-toros-guitar @incendiarydaydream @nuclear-atm0sph3ar @garlicbreadmustdie @michael-mcromance @ourladyof-demolition @thnksfrthvenom420 @tsunami-likes-mcr
Oooooo! This seems fun!
Save Yourself, I'll Hold Them Back- My Chemical Romance
The World is Ugly- My Chemical Romance
Everybody's Fool- Evanescence
Murder Was The Case That They Gave Me- LeatherMouth
Whatsername- Green Day
@gay-draag-path @ray-toros-guitar @finnthehuman3457 @vel-veteen-rabbit @this-punk-rat
*intense thinking*
Maggot - Slutever
Saturday Night - Misfits
Bridezilla - Mommy Long Legs
Teen Age Riot - Sonic Youth
Fast and Frightening - L7
@vel-veteen-rabbit @lizbizeeee @prettyinpunnk @ozzy-iz-a-phreak-xp @frikeyway @toroxstar @shallowsenjoyer @stabbythebosscat
Bad side of 25 - Patrick stump
We've got a big mess on our hands - the academy is
bang the doldrums - fall out boy
gun. - my chemical romance
Juarez - Gerard way
@loveandobsession648 @hayleyw1lliams @mikeywayontheinternet @hungryy-heart @f1zzyfishhxx @averys-a-loser @erikvoice-perfection @sableandcherrimustdie @io-saturnalia @capetown-devotee @demolition-loser
Attention - The academy is… Fairytale - Jon Walker Charlie's Garden - Djo Monday (the Colors show version is better imo) - Quadeca Fame < Infamy - Fall Out Boy
@where0worlds0collide @sickkvalentine @mikeyp4rker @ryroventlove @kuemori @wormsinmousetraps @lalalalala520710 @cj220 @ar3i4 @believeinthe-enemy that's 10 but open tags if anyone wants to join!!
Ooo Alrighty!
Drowning lessons - MCR
Murder was the case that they gave me -Leathermouth
Thank you for the venom- MCR
Of sound and fury- lovehatehero
But it’s better if you do -p!atd
@th3j3ts3tl1f3 @alexcrue @averys-a-loser @believeinthe-enemy @demolition-loser @repeatradiation @gnuclear @zz-starlight @rainy-roly-poly333 @nuclear-atm0sph3ar @iloveraytoroxwx
TYSM for the tag, I haven’t done a tag game in ages! Told myself I wasn’t allowed to put any MCR on it because then the whole thing would just be MCR lol.
The Last of the Famous International Playboys - Morrissey
Blood - Starbenders
This is Love - Air Traffic Controller
Born Under Punches (The Heat Goes On) - Talking Heads
Walk Like a Motherfucker - Ghost Funk Orchestra
@xexir @glasskittyyyyy @head1stforhalos @frikeyway @butchfinalgrrrl @rat-girl-1993 @wrestlingbabe @planetary-go @loverboy-iero
This is sooo sweet!!! I’m going to rep Florida Artist or else this would be all the tristate emos
Alter Ego- Doechii
Hades- Nailwound (a newer band sooo good)
Turnaround- Fortune Child (looooove their sound)
All My Friends Are Metalheads- Less than Jake (hometown rep)
Violet- LS Dunes (not from Florida but this is my top song this year)
@lushberrys @mag-nifico @bunnylovesuu @makhopemustdie @emmyeffex @evilmode @womanwhowritesformany (I feel like I talk to you all the most lol)
Oooh how fun! Thank you for the tag! I love these <3 Okay mine are
MCR - Drowning Lessons
The Used - Meant to Die
Waiting 4 April - Stain_me.
From Ashes to New - Drag Me
Bring Me The Horizon - Follow You
No pressure tags <3 (you stole like 3 of mine & I didnt want to double tag lmfao)
@frikeyway @teacupfullofstars @bobbysox @hyssteria @pinkyplonk @whitenoisedreams @izthewhiz @slimy-bandaid @l0ser-g1rl @chaotic-1111-witch
gahh ty for the tag bunny! here are some of my current repeats :3
laputa_r>o>t - panchiko
phantom power and ludicrous speed - pierce the veil
pray for plagues - bring me the horizon
millions - gerard way
by the wings of a tragedy - septemberistheonlytimeidontthinkofyou
and here are my tags (no pressure)!
@venomssos @harleywires @starlessseyes @frikeyway @takethis2yourgrve @tbh-yousuck @glasskittyyyyy @dr-sunshine-is-back @und3adgrrrl @fegenyab
yoooo thanks for tagging me! im honoured, these are probably my 5 most listened to lately
the weekend - modern baseball
bleeds no more - silverstein
chemical kids & mechanical brides - pierce the veil
ravenous, ravenous rhinos - i set my friends on fire
through being cool - saves the day
here r the tags, no pressure 2 do it
@novocabe @garlicbreadmustdie @jezziethehellokittylover @piercetheundeadzombie @venomssos @scissorjizzer @penguin440 @whtepony @caracarez2much @mykeylimepie
uh also i dont think i tagged anyone who already got tagged but if i did sorry!
ty for tagging me twin 🫶🏻🫶🏻 i’ve been very into these 5 lately
1. bleed the freak - alice in chains
2. sunspots - nine inch nails
3. phantom power and ludicrous speed - pierce the veil
4. tempest - deftones
5. chelsea smile - bring me the horizon
tags!! @besitosdberry @batteryaced @clandestinecupcake @as-snow-falls-on-desert-sky @r4z0r2th3r0s4ry
ahhhhhh !!!!! OKAY LETS PLAY DIS C:
1. disloyal order of water buffalos - fob (this has been stuck in my head for like a week smh)
2. takes over the breaks over - fob
3. doomed - bmth
4. all that matters - justin bieber
5. sex - the 1975
tags no preshhurreeeeee :P @borissidechick @kittypoopingrainbow @lovelyundertaker @bloodyrootss @rainbugz
OMG TYSM !!
1. Mal de Ojo - LIE
2. Bent Knees - Bite the Hand
3. Fence Walker - Sunami
4. Headstrong - Trapt
5. In The Closet - Michael Jackson
@starryjonquil @chickeynuggey @mp3mutt anyone who wants to join in as well !!!
Thank you for tagging me! I'll list a few I've been listening to a lot lately:
1. Ladyfingers - Herb Alpert & The Tijuana Brass
2. Roy - Idles
3. Wild Horses - The Rolling Stones
4. Army Dreamers - Kate Bush
5. Don't Dream It's Over - Crowded House
@thestupidhelmet @hellowisconsin @ariandrine @einsteinsugly @supernannygirl704things @srmcd1 or anyone else that wants to partake!
Thank you for the tag, SJ! Also, high-five for Crowded House!
1. "All the Madmen" -- David Bowie
2. "Made to Parade" -- Queens of the Stone Age
3. "Well You Wanna Know What" --Bratmobile
4. "Love and Hate" -- Sevendust
5. "You Know You're Right" -- Nirvana
Tagging @thatseventiesbitch @scaponigifs @queenbookbuff @fjhope @aldreantreuperi @crimsinsky @tht70sblog @emberfaye @zenmasterlover @heartsforjackieburkhart
do u think Hyde & Jackie are loud or vocal when making love.?
Jackie can be (but she's not a shrieky screamer during sex). Hence, Hyde puts on a specific record to obscure her voice when they're in his room at the Formans' (headcanon).
Hyde is not. Doesn't fit his character.
donna + jackie {season four}
Was it ever mentioned if Jackie’s mansion had a pool in the backyard? Do you think it did?
No pool ever mentioned. If it did have a pool, the guys would be all about it in the summer. The characters definitely would've mentioned it.
Plus, Jackie and Donna go to the public pool in the summer at the beginning of season 6. Yes, her mansion has been unoccupied for months. But surely Jackie would mention to Donna how she wished they could be at her pool instead of this public one where kids -- and likely Fez -- take a piss.

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If Hyde had an angel visit like Eric did in 4x01 and he wished he and Jackie never got together, how different do you think his and Jackie’s lives will look/what futures would the angel show him?
The fanfic author rebeldivaluv write a great fanfic exploring this scenario called It's Not Wonderful, But It's Life.
Unfortunately she took down her T7S fics because of real-world events. Fortunately, I have them. Unfortunately #2, they're currently on my laptop (which I'm not using regularly at the moment). Unfortunately #3, I have to respect her choice and not make her T7S stories publicly available (I don't know her personality).
If I wrote the scenario, it would be different depending on whether it happens after the S5 dumping by Jackie or the S7 dumping by Jackie.
But both versions of non-Jackie-fied Hyde would be even more emotionally closed-off abd guarded, have less trust in people, not have experiences of forgiveness and the chance to accept that his mistakes don't have to define him, not have an experience of true and meaningful romantic love.
Hyde's development would continue from the end of S4. He'd date around but never be emotionally fulfilled by any of those relationships. Or challenged and inspired to grow and change by them. He might not become stagnant, but he'd learn to open up a lot slower. He could be too shut down and in his trauma to meet W.B.
Best outcome: Hyde works for Red at Forman & Son. He lives a middling life. Falling in love with someone might happen but in his forties.
Worst outcome: Hyde would develop depression and lose any access to subconscious aspirations. He'd use alcohol to narcotize himself, but alcohol is a depressant. Hope is gone. Hyde is gone by his late twenties.
Jackie's life without falling in love with Hyde would deprive her of the reality checks she sorely needs to maintain a healthy romantic relationship. She'd continue to view presents as love (giver and receiver), to aspire for a wealthy man to take care of her financially despite her many career dreams and being financially independent. She'd fall in love far more easily than Hyde ever could. Not with a soulmate (like Hyde) but someone "good enough."
But her first marriage would be full of codependency. She might remain in it for twenty to thirty years, have two kids. Finally get a divorce in her late forties. Lots of therapy. Finally focus on building her own career. Then, from a much healthier emotional place, she'd meet a new man. A better man ... in a muffler shop in Point Place.
Her soulmate.
She and Hyde would fall in love, just decades later.
That's the best outcome.
Worst outcome is the new man isn't Hyde.
Jackie, I think, would fair better than Hyde if they didn't fall in love as teenagers. The first half of Jackie's adult life would be hellish, though, with needing to navigate around a narcissistic husband by using every trick she has. He'd be stingy and controlling with money. He'd be a chronic cheater with many women, and she'd cheat with someone for years who helps her financially and emotionally.
Only once she divorced her first husband can she begin to heal from that marriage.
Hyde, for Jackie's sake more than his own, would ask the Angel to undo his wish.
If Hyde and Jackie broke up and then months later, got drunk and had sex, how do you think both of them would react to it? Would they try to pretend it didn’t happen or hope it means a reconciliation?
I have to approach this scenario how I'd write it. Others have written it in several fanfics. Often not well, imo.
Alcohol lowers inhibitions. Drunkenness leads to a question of consent, even if both parties are drunk.
I'd write Jackie as angry at herself for "allowing" herself to lose control. Sex, drunk or sober, doesn't erase the reason or pain that caused whichever breakup this might be.
Hyde would also be angry at himself. He'd worry about Jackie. He's had enough experience with his alcoholic mother comorbid with her having drunken sex with the latest "uncle" to have childhood trauma wrapped up in the aftermath.
Her want to talk about what happened. Jackie wouldn't. He'd press. She'd say, "Sex doesn't change [the reason for the breakup]."
"Maybe it made things worse. I'm sorry," Hyde says.
"For what, the sex or [breakup detail]?"
"Both, but does it matter? Can't seem to get my crap together 'round you."
Jackie, capitulating a little, says, "Look, we both got drunk. We both ... forgot for a little while. I remember now. Steven, you of all people should know love isn't enough."
Hyde does. Their trust was fractured into more pieces than he cares to count. Not enough glue on the planet to put that eggshell back together again.
***
So neither Sex Ex Machina reconcilation nor pretending it didn't happen.