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Who’s the dirtier talker: hyde or jackie?
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Would you rather see a scenario where Hyde almost loses Jackie or Jackie almost loses Hyde in a near death experience?
Both. I wrote them myself in Beneath a Shattered Sky. 😜
hyde + jackie {season four}
Do u have any head cannons about Eric and Donna’s sex life?
T7S actually shows us and tells us a lot about it. 😂 The following aren't really headcanons but descriptions of what T7S reveals.
They're adventurous within Donna's boundaries. This is not a contradictory statement. As long as she's thinks no one will catch or spot them them, she's happy having sex with Eric, it seems, almost anywhere.
They're playful. Role-playing is one example. I'm sure they're playful in other ways sexually (playfulness is a core part of their relationship), as long as Eric keeps his fingers away from a certain area. *ahem*
Donna takes control at times (not in a kink, BDSM sense -- although I can imagine them experimenting once with light kink and both of them realizing it's not for them).
They enjoy having sex with each other a lot. ... A lot. A LOT. (The S6 celibacy story arc, a redressed or rehashed version of their pre-"First Time" sex arc, was torture for them).
@thatseventiesbitch probably has actually headcanons. Mine will all be based on and extended from Eric and Donna's canonical sex life.
🎶 ✨ when you get this, list 5 songs you like to listen to, publish. then, send this ask to 10 of your favorite followers (positivity is cool) 🎶 ✨ (okay if you don’t want to answer) :p
I don't have enough moots but this is so fun <3
gimme songs!!! you dont have to send it to other pwople its ok
well if you insist--
St. Louise Is Listening - Soul Coughing
Phanta - Le Tigre
Red Queen - Red Quean (I KNOW THEM PERSONALLY AHSJKD)
Soda Pop Rock - Black Pontiac
The Bidding - Tally Hall
<3
@sableandcherrimustdie you should do this too!!
hmhmmm
Everlong - Foo fighters
Hang em high - MCR
Camisado - p!atd
Mama - MCR
Gutless - Hole
@ourlizofsorrows
Ooooo okay hmmmmm
Autotheist- Baby Bugs
Pinkish- Gerard Way
She's the Prettiest Girl at the Party, and She Can Prove It With a Solid Right Hook- Frank Iero
Build God, Then We'll Talk- p!atd
Zero Zero- Gerard Way
@moonyluvsmusic @willow-wisp-fae @ray-toros-guitar @incendiarydaydream @nuclear-atm0sph3ar @garlicbreadmustdie @michael-mcromance @ourladyof-demolition @thnksfrthvenom420 @tsunami-likes-mcr
Oooooo! This seems fun!
Save Yourself, I'll Hold Them Back- My Chemical Romance
The World is Ugly- My Chemical Romance
Everybody's Fool- Evanescence
Murder Was The Case That They Gave Me- LeatherMouth
Whatsername- Green Day
@gay-draag-path @ray-toros-guitar @finnthehuman3457 @vel-veteen-rabbit @this-punk-rat
*intense thinking*
Maggot - Slutever
Saturday Night - Misfits
Bridezilla - Mommy Long Legs
Teen Age Riot - Sonic Youth
Fast and Frightening - L7
@vel-veteen-rabbit @lizbizeeee @prettyinpunnk @ozzy-iz-a-phreak-xp @frikeyway @toroxstar @shallowsenjoyer @stabbythebosscat
Bad side of 25 - Patrick stump
We've got a big mess on our hands - the academy is
bang the doldrums - fall out boy
gun. - my chemical romance
Juarez - Gerard way
@loveandobsession648 @hayleyw1lliams @mikeywayontheinternet @hungryy-heart @f1zzyfishhxx @averys-a-loser @erikvoice-perfection @sableandcherrimustdie @io-saturnalia @capetown-devotee @demolition-loser
Attention - The academy is… Fairytale - Jon Walker Charlie's Garden - Djo Monday (the Colors show version is better imo) - Quadeca Fame < Infamy - Fall Out Boy
@where0worlds0collide @sickkvalentine @mikeyp4rker @ryroventlove @kuemori @wormsinmousetraps @lalalalala520710 @cj220 @ar3i4 @believeinthe-enemy that's 10 but open tags if anyone wants to join!!
Ooo Alrighty!
Drowning lessons - MCR
Murder was the case that they gave me -Leathermouth
Thank you for the venom- MCR
Of sound and fury- lovehatehero
But it’s better if you do -p!atd
@th3j3ts3tl1f3 @alexcrue @averys-a-loser @believeinthe-enemy @demolition-loser @repeatradiation @gnuclear @zz-starlight @rainy-roly-poly333 @nuclear-atm0sph3ar @iloveraytoroxwx
TYSM for the tag, I haven’t done a tag game in ages! Told myself I wasn’t allowed to put any MCR on it because then the whole thing would just be MCR lol.
The Last of the Famous International Playboys - Morrissey
Blood - Starbenders
This is Love - Air Traffic Controller
Born Under Punches (The Heat Goes On) - Talking Heads
Walk Like a Motherfucker - Ghost Funk Orchestra
@xexir @glasskittyyyyy @head1stforhalos @frikeyway @butchfinalgrrrl @rat-girl-1993 @wrestlingbabe @planetary-go @loverboy-iero
This is sooo sweet!!! I’m going to rep Florida Artist or else this would be all the tristate emos
Alter Ego- Doechii
Hades- Nailwound (a newer band sooo good)
Turnaround- Fortune Child (looooove their sound)
All My Friends Are Metalheads- Less than Jake (hometown rep)
Violet- LS Dunes (not from Florida but this is my top song this year)
@lushberrys @mag-nifico @bunnylovesuu @makhopemustdie @emmyeffex @evilmode @womanwhowritesformany (I feel like I talk to you all the most lol)
Oooh how fun! Thank you for the tag! I love these <3 Okay mine are
MCR - Drowning Lessons
The Used - Meant to Die
Waiting 4 April - Stain_me.
From Ashes to New - Drag Me
Bring Me The Horizon - Follow You
No pressure tags <3 (you stole like 3 of mine & I didnt want to double tag lmfao)
@frikeyway @teacupfullofstars @bobbysox @hyssteria @pinkyplonk @whitenoisedreams @izthewhiz @slimy-bandaid @l0ser-g1rl @chaotic-1111-witch
gahh ty for the tag bunny! here are some of my current repeats :3
laputa_r>o>t - panchiko
phantom power and ludicrous speed - pierce the veil
pray for plagues - bring me the horizon
millions - gerard way
by the wings of a tragedy - septemberistheonlytimeidontthinkofyou
and here are my tags (no pressure)!
@venomssos @harleywires @starlessseyes @frikeyway @takethis2yourgrve @tbh-yousuck @glasskittyyyyy @dr-sunshine-is-back @und3adgrrrl @fegenyab
yoooo thanks for tagging me! im honoured, these are probably my 5 most listened to lately
the weekend - modern baseball
bleeds no more - silverstein
chemical kids & mechanical brides - pierce the veil
ravenous, ravenous rhinos - i set my friends on fire
through being cool - saves the day
here r the tags, no pressure 2 do it
@novocabe @garlicbreadmustdie @jezziethehellokittylover @piercetheundeadzombie @venomssos @scissorjizzer @penguin440 @whtepony @caracarez2much @mykeylimepie
uh also i dont think i tagged anyone who already got tagged but if i did sorry!
ty for tagging me twin 🫶🏻🫶🏻 i’ve been very into these 5 lately
1. bleed the freak - alice in chains
2. sunspots - nine inch nails
3. phantom power and ludicrous speed - pierce the veil
4. tempest - deftones
5. chelsea smile - bring me the horizon
tags!! @besitosdberry @batteryaced @clandestinecupcake @as-snow-falls-on-desert-sky @r4z0r2th3r0s4ry
ahhhhhh !!!!! OKAY LETS PLAY DIS C:
1. disloyal order of water buffalos - fob (this has been stuck in my head for like a week smh)
2. takes over the breaks over - fob
3. doomed - bmth
4. all that matters - justin bieber
5. sex - the 1975
tags no preshhurreeeeee :P @borissidechick @kittypoopingrainbow @lovelyundertaker @bloodyrootss @rainbugz
OMG TYSM !!
1. Mal de Ojo - LIE
2. Bent Knees - Bite the Hand
3. Fence Walker - Sunami
4. Headstrong - Trapt
5. In The Closet - Michael Jackson
@starryjonquil @chickeynuggey @mp3mutt anyone who wants to join in as well !!!
Thank you for tagging me! I'll list a few I've been listening to a lot lately:
1. Ladyfingers - Herb Alpert & The Tijuana Brass
2. Roy - Idles
3. Wild Horses - The Rolling Stones
4. Army Dreamers - Kate Bush
5. Don't Dream It's Over - Crowded House
@thestupidhelmet @hellowisconsin @ariandrine @einsteinsugly @supernannygirl704things @srmcd1 or anyone else that wants to partake!
Thank you for the tag, SJ! Also, high-five for Crowded House!
1. "All the Madmen" -- David Bowie
2. "Made to Parade" -- Queens of the Stone Age
3. "Well You Wanna Know What" --Bratmobile
4. "Love and Hate" -- Sevendust
5. "You Know You're Right" -- Nirvana
Tagging @thatseventiesbitch @scaponigifs @queenbookbuff @fjhope @aldreantreuperi @crimsinsky @tht70sblog @emberfaye @zenmasterlover @heartsforjackieburkhart

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do u think Hyde & Jackie are loud or vocal when making love.?
Jackie can be (but she's not a shrieky screamer during sex). Hence, Hyde puts on a specific record to obscure her voice when they're in his room at the Formans' (headcanon).
Hyde is not. Doesn't fit his character.
donna + jackie {season four}
Was it ever mentioned if Jackie’s mansion had a pool in the backyard? Do you think it did?
No pool ever mentioned. If it did have a pool, the guys would be all about it in the summer. The characters definitely would've mentioned it.
Plus, Jackie and Donna go to the public pool in the summer at the beginning of season 6. Yes, her mansion has been unoccupied for months. But surely Jackie would mention to Donna how she wished they could be at her pool instead of this public one where kids -- and likely Fez -- take a piss.
If Hyde had an angel visit like Eric did in 4x01 and he wished he and Jackie never got together, how different do you think his and Jackie’s lives will look/what futures would the angel show him?
The fanfic author rebeldivaluv write a great fanfic exploring this scenario called It's Not Wonderful, But It's Life.
Unfortunately she took down her T7S fics because of real-world events. Fortunately, I have them. Unfortunately #2, they're currently on my laptop (which I'm not using regularly at the moment). Unfortunately #3, I have to respect her choice and not make her T7S stories publicly available (I don't know her personality).
If I wrote the scenario, it would be different depending on whether it happens after the S5 dumping by Jackie or the S7 dumping by Jackie.
But both versions of non-Jackie-fied Hyde would be even more emotionally closed-off abd guarded, have less trust in people, not have experiences of forgiveness and the chance to accept that his mistakes don't have to define him, not have an experience of true and meaningful romantic love.
Hyde's development would continue from the end of S4. He'd date around but never be emotionally fulfilled by any of those relationships. Or challenged and inspired to grow and change by them. He might not become stagnant, but he'd learn to open up a lot slower. He could be too shut down and in his trauma to meet W.B.
Best outcome: Hyde works for Red at Forman & Son. He lives a middling life. Falling in love with someone might happen but in his forties.
Worst outcome: Hyde would develop depression and lose any access to subconscious aspirations. He'd use alcohol to narcotize himself, but alcohol is a depressant. Hope is gone. Hyde is gone by his late twenties.
Jackie's life without falling in love with Hyde would deprive her of the reality checks she sorely needs to maintain a healthy romantic relationship. She'd continue to view presents as love (giver and receiver), to aspire for a wealthy man to take care of her financially despite her many career dreams and being financially independent. She'd fall in love far more easily than Hyde ever could. Not with a soulmate (like Hyde) but someone "good enough."
But her first marriage would be full of codependency. She might remain in it for twenty to thirty years, have two kids. Finally get a divorce in her late forties. Lots of therapy. Finally focus on building her own career. Then, from a much healthier emotional place, she'd meet a new man. A better man ... in a muffler shop in Point Place.
Her soulmate.
She and Hyde would fall in love, just decades later.
That's the best outcome.
Worst outcome is the new man isn't Hyde.
Jackie, I think, would fair better than Hyde if they didn't fall in love as teenagers. The first half of Jackie's adult life would be hellish, though, with needing to navigate around a narcissistic husband by using every trick she has. He'd be stingy and controlling with money. He'd be a chronic cheater with many women, and she'd cheat with someone for years who helps her financially and emotionally.
Only once she divorced her first husband can she begin to heal from that marriage.
Hyde, for Jackie's sake more than his own, would ask the Angel to undo his wish.
If Hyde and Jackie broke up and then months later, got drunk and had sex, how do you think both of them would react to it? Would they try to pretend it didn’t happen or hope it means a reconciliation?
I have to approach this scenario how I'd write it. Others have written it in several fanfics. Often not well, imo.
Alcohol lowers inhibitions. Drunkenness leads to a question of consent, even if both parties are drunk.
I'd write Jackie as angry at herself for "allowing" herself to lose control. Sex, drunk or sober, doesn't erase the reason or pain that caused whichever breakup this might be.
Hyde would also be angry at himself. He'd worry about Jackie. He's had enough experience with his alcoholic mother comorbid with her having drunken sex with the latest "uncle" to have childhood trauma wrapped up in the aftermath.
Her want to talk about what happened. Jackie wouldn't. He'd press. She'd say, "Sex doesn't change [the reason for the breakup]."
"Maybe it made things worse. I'm sorry," Hyde says.
"For what, the sex or [breakup detail]?"
"Both, but does it matter? Can't seem to get my crap together 'round you."
Jackie, capitulating a little, says, "Look, we both got drunk. We both ... forgot for a little while. I remember now. Steven, you of all people should know love isn't enough."
Hyde does. Their trust was fractured into more pieces than he cares to count. Not enough glue on the planet to put that eggshell back together again.
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So neither Sex Ex Machina reconcilation nor pretending it didn't happen.

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How do you think Hyde would cope if he never went to Chicago to get Jackie back? Even Leo could tell he was depressed after just a few days. I’ve seen in a lot of fanfics that he sort of has a downward spiral when she leaves town. What are your thoughts?
This scenario is good fanfic material. I'm sure someone, or several someones, have written it.
If I were to write it, Hyde's motivation would be the same as in "On With the Show" (7x16). He'd let Jackie go to pursue her dream. It's an act of love, but she'd misunderstand this choice as proof he doesn't love her. Angst and drama ensues. Resentment builds.
(Jackie leaves town is a T7S fanfic trope.)
Hyde would also remember the specificity of her words, that she can't "waste any more time" on someone who won't commit to marriage (as teenagers). That wound would stick with him, that marriage is her goal. That all their real time together and real love isn't as important as this ideal life she imagines for herself.
Heyyy, I actually explored the above paragraph deeply in my fanfic Reflections Through the Glass.
Would you have rather seen the show do a fantasy/dream sequence or Gilligan’s Island or Three’s Company? (We *may* have talked a little bit about this before)
Since "Van Stock" (2x06) references Three's Company in a very funny way, I'll go with Gilligan's Island.
Jackie = Ginger or Lovey Howell (but Jackie wouldn't imagine herself as an older woman)
Donna = Maryanne (her looks match Ginger better, but her personality matches Maryanne's better).
Kelso or Eric = Gilligan, depending on whose fantasy this is.
Hyde = the Professor or the Skipper -- although Hyde would say he's Maynard G. Krebs (played by Bob Denver in The Many Loves of Dobie Gillis). "Same actor as Gilligan, man, but cool."
Fez = Mr. Howell or Gilligan, depending on whose fantasy this is.
Anyone have a different take on which T7S character would be imagined as which Gilligan's Island character?
Have you done a what if Hyde was the one to fall off the water tower? (Instead of Kelso, ) do you think it would of caused Jackie to try and make up with him wright away instead of kinda having Kelso and Hyde compete
I think Jackie and Hyde still wouldn't reconcile but that Jackie would reveal more explicitly her feelings for him. The schism between love and trust would be emphasized (implicitly). More heartbreaking than funny.
Unfortunately, the writers just didn't go as deeply as they needed to in this storyline. T7S was capable of doing so, but choices were made (and/or it was writerly laziness).
eric + hyde {season four}
The Boy I’m Gonna Marry
I ove how Red tries to cheer Kitty up about never having been a bridesmaid, look at his sweet smile, only to have her quick shut him down 🤣 (hid expression there also makes me smile)
Also might just be me but I could see a moment similar to this happening with Jackie and Hyde had they ended up together, years after being married and all of their friends married Jackie never got to be a bridesmaid. (Donna and Eric having eloped, so she didn’t get to be a bridesmaid and be forever bitter about its) Also, Kitty declaring she was going to be a bridesmaid before marching off reminds me a lot of Jackie 😀
Season 2, Episode 16: The First Time

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Table Draft “Pilot” #11
Key:
Table Draft = TD
Revised First Draft = RFD
Aired Pilot = AP
This is the end ... beautiful friend(s).
Above are significant differences in the TD from the AP. Not only can Jackie sing well in the TD (in the series, Jackie is known for her inability to sing), but Hyde also acknowledges Jackie's good singing and -- most importantly -- Donna admits that Jackie is "one of us." The TD version of the pilot establishes Jackie as officially part of the basement gang. In the series, this won't happen until "Cat Fight Club" (2x25) when Hyde invites her into the circle.
Above, Eric's growth in self-confidence from the AP continues to be absent in the TD. He becomes quite anxious at Donna's suggestion about driving to Chicago -- with Donna alone.
The TD ends with a huge difference in tone from the AP. Donna, rather than simply kissing Eric because she "wanted to know what it would feel like" -- much more hesitant, unsure, teenager-y and, quite frankly, endearing -- it becomes part of Donna and Eric's struggle for control in their relationship along gender lines. Eric believes he should have all the control because he's "the man". Donna disabuses him of this regressive idea yet again and asserts her equality and agency.
In the series, what I described above is explored, but it's integrated into Donna and Eric's otherwise loving relationship. It's not the focal point; it occasionally becomes a point of contention with deeper roots.
"Battle of the Sexists" (1x04) is the first episode to explore this dynamic between Eric and Donna, but it's approached far differently than the TD pilot. Donna gets advice from her mom essentially to let Eric win to protect Eric's sense of manhood. She fails at her first attempt and kicks his butt in table hockey. She's obvious in her second attempt when they play one-on-one basketball, and Eric calls her out on it.
Then Kitty calls Eric out on his false belief that Donna winning at times means he's less of a man. She counteracts his own feelings that have been exacerbated by Hyde, Kelso, and Fez's validation of them. Kitty tells Eric that she and Red play for fun and don't keep score of who wins or loses
This wisdom gets through to Eric, and he's able to let go of the idea his value is tied to whether or not Donna, a woman, beats him at sports. This results in Eric and Donna having a playful reconciliation, a basketball game that turns into behavior reminiscent of their childhood antics. At the end, Eric asks, "Who won?" Donna says, "I wasn't keeping score." Eric says, "Cool. Me neither."
This episode has an emotionally satisfying arc, where Eric and Donna's love and respect for each other ultimately overrides all else (with help from Kitty).
Then Red tells Eric that his basketball performance "was pretty sad," and that, "I'm gonna teach you how to play basketball. We've got four hours 'til your bed time. And we're gonna drill, drill, drill." This dialogue (and subsequent follow-through) reveals where Eric got his regressive ideas of what makes a man.
eric + hyde {season three}