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hyde + jackie {season six}

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When do you think each member of the group considered Jackie one of them instead of just the “annoying girlfriend”?
Related, do you think Eric is the only one who considered Jackie the “Yoko” of the gang?
Donna is the first. Certainly before "The Pill" (1x17). Their friendship develops in stages, and Donna's the first to accept Jackie into the group.
While Fez's attraction to Jackie is evident in "That Disco Episode" (1x07), he likely thinks of her as part of the group by "Garage Sale" (2x01).
Hyde accepts -- and inducts -- Jackie as an official part of the group in "Cat Fight Club" (2x25).
Eric's perspective on Jackie wobbles. He can be supportive or hostile, depending on the situation. But he truly accepts her as part of the group in "Jackie's Cheese Squeeze" (4x19). He calls her Yoko in season 5 because he's too close to Hyde, and it's easier for him to put the onus on Jackie for what he fears will be the destruction of his life-long safe haven and friend-family.
But Eric first uses the Yoko accusation on Jill, Hyde's girlfriend, in "The Third Wheel" (4x11) for a similar reason.
Kelso is a special case (in many ways 👀). He primarily views Jackie's status in the group based on her status with him. One might argue he accepts her as part of the group by season 5, but his many attempts to sabotage her happiness that season undermine this reading. He accepts her fully as part of the group, apart from her connection to him, only by "The Kids Are Alright" (6x01). He's finally moved on from her because he's experienced a true emotional connection with another woman (i.e. Brooke).
do you think Hyde ever clarified to Jackie that just because he thinks Brooke is hot, it doesn’t mean he wants to be with her?
Yes. My interpretation/understanding of Hyde is that he's a sex-favorable demisexual, demiromantic. See my meta Objectifying Jackie: A Comparison of Jackie’s Relationships with Kelso and Hyde with a Focus on Allosexual, Demisexual, Demiromantic, and Aromantic Character Interpretations.
Hyde finds Brooke aesthetically appealing or attractive, which doesn't necessarily mean he's sexually attracted to her. In the 1970s, the language and understanding we have have now about the asexuality and aromantic spectrums didn't exist. Nor did it exist for different kinds of attraction. Or that sexual arousal and sexual attraction aren't one and the same.
Hyde doesn't have the language we have now. Calling Brooke hot is akin to calling a painting beautiful. That doesn't mean he's sexually attracted to that painting.
The conversation might go as follows, in Hyde's room.
Jackie: Steven, if I didn't exist, would you have sex with Brooke -- if she wanted you?
Hyde: You don't exist in this totally not-a-trap question?
Jackie: Nope. I was never born.
Hyde: Sure. Why not?
Jackie: Steven!
Hyde: What? You don't exist.
Jackie: So you do want to do it with her.
Hyde: Nope, but Iike havin' sex. And I wouldn't say no to doing it with someone on the opposite side of gross.
Jackie flinches. "What does that mean?"
Hyde (serious, sincere): Jackie, listen. I've been with a lot of chicks before you, and the sex was fun, okay? But none of it made me feel anything deeper than -- just rub your hands together real fast. Your palms.
Jackie does as Hyde instructs.
Hyde: How do your hands feel?
Jackie: Hot. Tingly. A little numb, maybe.
Hyde: There ya go.
Jackie: I still don't get it.
Hyde: No girl has ever made me willing to leave my ice cream to get her a freakin' magazine. Or cut my hair shorter. Or like being called a cutesy nickname that should make me sick. And when you and me have sex, that's all part of it, man. Way beyond hot and tingly. And sure as hell not numb.
Jackie: So you're saying sex with Brooke would be meaningless?
Hyde: That and I got no interest in doin' it with her. Why would I settle for nothin' when I got everything right here?
Jackie: Me. You mean me! [She's happy until another question rises in her mind.] Then why do you think Brooke is hot?
Hyde: Why do you think Andy Gibb is hot?
Jackie: Excuse me. That poster shows my appreciation for his music.
Hyde arcs up an eyebrow.
Jackie: Fine. Because I like how he looks and sings and his overall Andy Gibb-ness. But I wouldn't have sex with him.
Hyde: Do you want to?
Jackie shakes her head more vigorously than she's aware of.
Hyde: Why not?
Jackie: I'm in love with you. And I don't actually know Andy Gibb. He's a stranger, and the idea of doing it with a stranger, even one who's that foxy ... ew. [Realizing with a gasp:] And Brooke is basically a stranger to you! So you can think she's hot, but you don't love her. You love me. I'm the first girl you've ever had a deep, undying love for. A love so powerful that you'd turn the Earth backward to save my life like Superman does for Lois Lane!
Hyde, knowing to leave well enough alone despite Jackie's hyperbole, caresses the back of her hair. "So ... wanna try to turn the Earth backward?"
Jackie: Honestly, I'd prefer just to lie together on your cot for a while.
Hyde (snuggling up with her): Okay.
Joy and a sense of security flood both Jackie and Hyde in this moment. Neither wants it to end.
Do you think Donna would have settled for Hyde if Eric never made a move?
No. Donna doesn't have any romantic feelings for Hyde whatsoever. Season 1 makes this fact clear consistently.
She might have confided in Hyde had Eric not made a move. She talks to Hyde about her overwhelming mix of feelings for Eric in season 1.
Hyde 1.0 (i.e. pre-"Prom Night" Hyde) would use Eric's passivity to his advantage, but that would yield the sane results: Donna rejecting his advances and making clear she has no romantic feelings for him.
Who do you think has a bigger sexual appetite: hyde or Jackie???
I think they match each other
Kelso is a sex addict. Hyde is not.
Jackie and Hyde would respect each other's moods when they're not feeling it. But, as we see on the show, they're often feeling it. 😂

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How do you think Jackie would react if Hyde were sent to prison? Imagine he’s framed or something. Would she stand by him and would he let her or rather insist she move on with her life? If he were released, would he find her again or start a new life?
If Jackie and Hyde are in a relationship, fully in love, she’d believe him and stand by him — and do whatever she could, use whatever support she had or found to help him.
The author heatherlea75 wrote an excellent (yet unfinished) fanfic about the exact scenario you asked me about.
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Summary: Two decisions lead to devastating consequences. Can Jackie and Hyde fight and beat everything that has so far successfully kept them apart?
Rated: T
I feel like a lot of times people give Jack a free pass from his side of the responsibility for being a parent to Jackie. I think because he provides most of the money for the family (after Pam quit her job) people kinda then see it as okay that his relationship with Jackie was then just buying her what ever she wanted instead of being a more present parent. People have said he isn’t as emotionally neglectful as Pam butttt why? Yeah we see him say nice things to Jackie or hear about him buying her stuff but we don’t really see him do much of the hard parenting stuff. We hear from her that neither parents are around often not just that her mom isn’t around.I think in are society’s a lot of the time fathers are aloud to be more absent well not being shamed for it.
Hi Anon!
I'm not sure I would agree that people "give Jack a free pass", or at least to my knowledge I've never seen anyone suggest that. I also don't think he "provides the most money" after Pam runs away to Mexico. Jack Burkhart is being accused and charged with financial related crimes, he likely wouldn't have access to most of his assets by the time he goes to jail.
Likewise, he's going through a legal process and probably paying for the best lawyer available to him. If anything Jack Burkhart would be hemorrhaging cash from S5-S6 (until he's presumably sentenced, as Hyde mentions he's officially in jail in S7, the timelines a mess but whatever). And we can assume Pam and Jack get divorced at some point (which means more lawyers). My point is, lawyers aren't cheap and the legal process isn't swift.
I've never seen someone claim that Jack isn't emotionally neglectful, and I agree that any attempt to suggest otherwise lacks logic. Being an absentee father and supplementing time/affection with material things is a form of emotional neglect.
I feel like you might be speculating that people think he's a good parent because he loves his daughter. Unfortunately, a parent loving their child does not automatically mean they are a great (or even a good) parent. I say this not as a parent myself, but as someone who has imperfect parents whom I love very much (though I welcome any parents to add their perspectives).
Parents are not infallible, they do not always do the best thing or the right thing, but that also doesn't mean they're always bad/wrong or that they don't love their children. Parents are people, and people make mistakes (both big and small).
Does this excuse Jack being an absentee father? Absolutely not. But just because I don't personally agree with his parenting style or his priorities, doesn't mean I'm not going to look at his character from a full picture and try to understand why he might behave/think a certain way.
Good characters, much like real people, are multi-faceted. Jack can love his daughter and be so distracted by his own career that he doesn't notice how absent of a father he is (or what damage he's doing). Both things can be true.
As for an in-depth dialogue about absentee fathers and society's lack of criticism about it, that's a little beyond the scope of my intentions with this blog -- though I don't disagree with your sentiment.
With respect to Jack Burkhart though, could I use him as a narrative vehicle to communicate my views on a complex father/daughter dynamic or have him experience remorse for his actions in a fic I'm writing? Yeah totally. But saying "Jack Burkhart is a terrible father" and just leaving it there doesn't really do anything. He's a fictional character, he's not capable of feeling shame unless a narrative is woven around him to explore it, if that makes sense.
These are just my views on it, though!
Thanks for the ask! 💖
What if instead of moving in with the Formans Hyde ended up moving in with W.B (for the purpose of the show he would still live in point place) how do you think things would have changed? Kinda fun idea to mess around with
Hi Anon!
Assuming there'd be a subplot involving a means with which Kitty (or someone else) could discover Hyde's birth certificate earlier and connect them sooner, this would be an interesting development -- although perhaps even more soap opera-y than it already is. Abusive mom abandons son, only for him to discover a rich, cool dad shortly after almost gives one whiplash!
In that same vein, I feel like Hyde would (initially) be far more anxious about living with W.B. than the Formans'. He would find the situation almost "too good to be true" and would be constantly waiting for the second shoe to drop. He would definitely feel like he doesn't "fit" with W.B.'s rich lifestyle and would struggle to adjust. He may act out in an effort to find boundaries or prove to himself (and his new family) that W.B.'s love is conditional and that he is unable to meet those conditions. These could be possible reactions Hyde may experience with the shock of meeting new family he previously didn't know, while coping with Edna's abandonment (which would still be very fresh in his mind).
Luckily for Hyde, I think W.B. is a good parent, who would be willing to put in the work to earn his trust and reassure his son that he's ready to make up for lost time and take care of him. It would be a slightly bumpier road, but I think they'd be able to build a strong father-son relationship, much like we see the beginnings of in the original show.
Part of why I think Hyde was able to transition so easily to an amicable relationship with W.B. is because of his time living with the Formans' though. By S7 he knows that even if it turns out bad, that the Formans' will support him as they have through other things (i.e. Edna, Bud, his 18th birthday, etc).
As a perhaps more comical aside, I could see Jackie trying to associate herself with Hyde more often, with them now being the two defacto "wealthy kids". Hyde would find this extremely annoying, but it could result in some funny exchanges (i.e. "Hyde, now that you're rich and no longer a common peasant, let me know if you want any lessons on how to comport yourself accordingly," to which I'm sure he'd say "Get bent").
Thanks for the ask! 💖
Do you think Jackie is insecure about her breast size? What about Hyde who otherwise gravitated to bustier blondes? If Jackie considered a boob job (out of character I know), do you think Hyde would be for or against?
Jackie never explicitly or implicitly indicates she's insecure about her breast size. None of the guys ever burn her about her breast size either. Kelso doesn't complain about their size to the guys while he and Jackie date, and he definitely would if he were dissatisfied.
Hyde does aesthetically seem attracted to blond women (Chrissy*, Jill, Raquel). But he's more deeply attracted to Donna, who has red hair. To Patty, who has auburn hair. To Melissa, who has dark brown/black hair. To Jackie, who has brown hair.
*Chrissy ("Punk Chick") is an exception because Hyde is attracted to her attitude and personality. She happens to have blond hair.
Hyde would be shocked that Jackie was considering a boob job. As you wrote, it's out of character. He'd ask what prompted this thinking. Whatever it is, he'd do his best to return her to normal Jackie Super Confident Mode. He'd want her to leave her breasts alone (in this specific non-specific [lol] scenario; specific scenarios exist where breast implants can be necessary for a person's mental health, but that's a discussion beyond the scope of this blog).
do you agree with the future of hyde and donna shown to eric if they got together? do you think theyd work as a couple why or why not?
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How do you think the coco between Hyde and Jackie went when they decided that their fling was deeper and they wanted to continue being together after Kelso came back?
The answer is in the show itself. Rewatch season 5. Jackie and Hyde don't have one, unifying conversation but a series of dialogue exchanges and choices, actions and reactions. The seriousness of their relationship, and their awareness of it, is developed throughout the season. ☀️
How do you read all your that 70’s show comics in order? Like where can I find it (sorry if you’ve already said am a bit stupid )
See the pinned post on @those70scomics 😊
Okay! This is a silly question kinda hoping for a silly answer lol what if season 6 Jackie somehow went back in time to season 4? So there was 2 Jackie’s :3 what do you think the gangs reaction would be? Do you think they would find season 6 Jackie cool?
Hi Anon!
Haha this is a wacky scenario indeed! I'm not sure the basement would be big enough to withstand the ego of two Jackie's being in the same room (a joke that someone on the show would undoubtedly say)! I think they'd probably react in the following way:
Eric: Most likely to make the above joke -- along with some comment about how the frequency of their combined voices may trigger a collapse in the space-time continuum (or something equally dramatic and snarky). Definitely wouldn't find her cool, and would be seeking a way to get rid of S6!Jackie as fast as he could (i.e. "Having one of you around is bad enough as it is").
Donna: I think S6!Jackie (knowing all the crap that happens to Donna in S4), would be inspired to try and cheer her friend up. Donna, in turn, would appreciate the support/attention -- which I think would make S4!Jackie jealous and then they might compete for "which Jackie is the better best friend". Which would come full circle back to Donna being overwhelmed/annoyed, and cause her to avoid Jackie and spend more time with Casey (ultimately not solving anything as far as that goes).
Hyde: He's in love with S4!Jackie who is (seemingly) in love with Kelso, while S6!Jackie is in love with him but he has no reason to believe/trust anything she has to say. In S4, to our knowledge, Hyde's still messing around with different girls every other week or so, which would be difficult for S6!Jackie to tolerate. He'd probably avoid her or band together with Eric in an effort to banish her from their timeline. I see Hyde being stressed out by S6!Jackie's attempts at reassurance or affection towards him, a lot of hijinks ensue, etc.
Kelso: Would automatically assume this means he has two girlfriends and which means he could possibly land a threesome (sort of?) -- neither of the Jackies are amused by or interested in this suggestion, and in fact he ends up making both of them incredibly angry with him. S4!Jackie pinches him and says "Michael!" admonishingly a lot. S6!Jackie kicks him in the shin and demands he keep away from her.
Fez: Is currently in a happy relationship with Rhonda in S4, and would most likely be the most "cool" with S6!Jackie. He'd treat her as much a friend as he treats S4!Jackie, and would try to get her to tell her all the secrets of the future. She would give him vague comments that aren't exactly helpful, but may warn him away from listening to Casey Kelso (we can only hope).
Jackie: Sort of already mentioned in Donna's blurb, but they would obviously be very competitive with each other. They'd bicker with each other about almost everything, I'd imagine. S6!Jackie would call S4!Jackie a fool for dating Kelso, while S4!Jackie would act defensively and be frustrated (especially considering how rocky her relationship was with Kelso). They might get heated enough to physically fight with each other, which I imagine Hyde and Donna having to help break up (Kelso would be egging them on, Fez would be suggesting they dump water on them -- again, and Eric would be too scared to get involved).
I'm not sure they'd come around to seeing eye-to-eye, unless they started saying complimentary things about each other (i.e. "Objectively, Jackie's style is impeccable", "Why, thank you, Jackie! I love what you've done with your hair by the way", etc.) which should that come to pass, S6!Jackie might be able to have a heart-to-heart and convince S4!Jackie not to debase herself in an effort to appease Kelso and salvage their toxic relationship. She might be able to settle some of S4!Jackie's worries and tell her something like "It'll hurt right now, but you're going to be so much happier with the next guy you date".
Overall I think it'd be a funny scenario with a lot of ridiculous moments -- but maybe a few heartfelt moments, too! 😉
Thanks for the ask! 💖
eric + hyde {season five}
I absolutely love your what if series 🙂↕️ I was wondering if you have one for if Donna and Eric actually did end up getting married? How do you think it would have changed the show?
Thank you! I'm happy you enjoy my One Difference stories! 🤗♥️
Haven't written One Difference: Eric Shows Up at His Wedding Rehearsal Dinner.
I imagine this would not be a happy story in my hands until the midpoint reversal, where Eric and Donna have their marriage secretly annulled with Bob's help. They'd pretend to be married until the pressure of lying got to them and/or Bob. Then big reveal: "We're not married!"
Kitty: But I was at your wedding. Pastor Dan said, "Husband and wife!"
Interestingly, Eric and Donna were going to get married in a Presbyterian ceremony (the Formans' denomination of Christianity) rather than Catholic, which Bob doesn't argue about (he would have; although he also attends the same church as the Formans do -- the T7S story editor, EPs, or whoever really didn't keep track of specific and significant details like these).

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I'm binge-reading your stories, checking out the ones I have seen others recommend like Hyde's Long Way Home (oh my goodness, every chapter is - actually, no words, but oh do I like it) Reflections Through the Glass, and Beneath a Shattered Sky is on the horizon. My summer goal - to read all your stuff! 😎
As I'm reading, I have been thinking and curious as to what got you interested in T7S? Your writing really takes all the characters voices, it's ike a continuation of the show - only better! Yes, I said it! And I mean it!
On a side note, how long did it take you to create/write HLWH? If you don't mind commenting on? That story is something else. And by something else, I mean SUPER AMAZIN' !!!!!! I have no idea what to expect!!
Thank you so, so much! 😊😊😊 Your message is like sunshine on a cloudy day -- wait, that's a lyric from one of my favorite childhood songs, but it fits. ☀️ I'm very happy you're enjoying my T7S stories. ♥️
I originally became interested in T7S because I saw a commercial for it before the show originally aired. I didn't join the (active) fandom until 2010. I've been drawing comic strips since I was a child, and I decided to see if I could satirize T7S. I posted what I thought would be a hundred comics total on Fan Forum's T7S message board. But the comics morphed into a deep, novelistic project with over three-thousand sequential comics. @those70scomics
Hyde's Long Way Home remains the easiest and fastest complex T7S fanfic I've written. I followed what the characters chose to do, and they surprised me. The story "wrote itself" through me trusting my subconscious understanding of the characters. The first draft took a month (iirc), and I wrote only one revision. That's not my usual writing protocol.
I almost didn't write the story at all. I planned to be done writing fanfic after Reflections Through the Glass. I'd come up with the idea for HLWH but left it as an idea. Then on a plane ride home, my gut said I needed to write it, so I did.
Do you think the reaction to Jackie from the gang was reasonable? Like in the first 3 seasons from the gang?
The gang's reaction to Jackie evolve throughout each season and through seasons 1-3. Reasonable might be the wrong word. Realistic is probably more precise. Considering each character's personality, goals and desires, emotional wounds and triggers, I think their interactions make story sense.
That doesn't mean I necessarily like every way people respond to Jackie during the course of over seventy-five episodes, but I understand and accept it.