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eric + hyde {season five}

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I absolutely love your what if series 🙂↕️ I was wondering if you have one for if Donna and Eric actually did end up getting married? How do you think it would have changed the show?
Thank you! I'm happy you enjoy my One Difference stories! 🤗♥️
Haven't written One Difference: Eric Shows Up at His Wedding Rehearsal Dinner.
I imagine this would not be a happy story in my hands until the midpoint reversal, where Eric and Donna have their marriage secretly annulled with Bob's help. They'd pretend to be married until the pressure of lying got to them and/or Bob. Then big reveal: "We're not married!"
Kitty: But I was at your wedding. Pastor Dan said, "Husband and wife!"
Interestingly, Eric and Donna were going to get married in a Presbyterian ceremony (the Formans' denomination of Christianity) rather than Catholic, which Bob doesn't argue about (he would have; although he also attends the same church as the Formans do -- the T7S story editor, EPs, or whoever really didn't keep track of specific and significant details like these).
I'm binge-reading your stories, checking out the ones I have seen others recommend like Hyde's Long Way Home (oh my goodness, every chapter is - actually, no words, but oh do I like it) Reflections Through the Glass, and Beneath a Shattered Sky is on the horizon. My summer goal - to read all your stuff! 😎
As I'm reading, I have been thinking and curious as to what got you interested in T7S? Your writing really takes all the characters voices, it's ike a continuation of the show - only better! Yes, I said it! And I mean it!
On a side note, how long did it take you to create/write HLWH? If you don't mind commenting on? That story is something else. And by something else, I mean SUPER AMAZIN' !!!!!! I have no idea what to expect!!
Thank you so, so much! 😊😊😊 Your message is like sunshine on a cloudy day -- wait, that's a lyric from one of my favorite childhood songs, but it fits. ☀️ I'm very happy you're enjoying my T7S stories. ♥️
I originally became interested in T7S because I saw a commercial for it before the show originally aired. I didn't join the (active) fandom until 2010. I've been drawing comic strips since I was a child, and I decided to see if I could satirize T7S. I posted what I thought would be a hundred comics total on Fan Forum's T7S message board. But the comics morphed into a deep, novelistic project with over three-thousand sequential comics. @those70scomics
Hyde's Long Way Home remains the easiest and fastest complex T7S fanfic I've written. I followed what the characters chose to do, and they surprised me. The story "wrote itself" through me trusting my subconscious understanding of the characters. The first draft took a month (iirc), and I wrote only one revision. That's not my usual writing protocol.
I almost didn't write the story at all. I planned to be done writing fanfic after Reflections Through the Glass. I'd come up with the idea for HLWH but left it as an idea. Then on a plane ride home, my gut said I needed to write it, so I did.
Do you think the reaction to Jackie from the gang was reasonable? Like in the first 3 seasons from the gang?
The gang's reaction to Jackie evolve throughout each season and through seasons 1-3. Reasonable might be the wrong word. Realistic is probably more precise. Considering each character's personality, goals and desires, emotional wounds and triggers, I think their interactions make story sense.
That doesn't mean I necessarily like every way people respond to Jackie during the course of over seventy-five episodes, but I understand and accept it.
If that 70’s show was depicted as a soap opera how do you think the family dynamics would be portrayed?
(Fun question! ☺️)
Every soap needs a powerful family or two. And a lot of other families.
The Burkharts
Jack Burkhart, the Patriarch who's both an attorney and owns what seems like half the businesses in Point Place.
Pam Burkhart, the Matriarch who has x great deal of influential about who moves to Point Place since she's the town's premier real estate agent. Her husband might technically have the most power, but she has the most information. Nothing happens in Point Place without her knowledge or, often, influence.
Jackie Burkhart, the secretly rebellious daughter. On the surface, she seems to be a clone of her parents. Underneath, she's doing what she can to dismantle their chokehold on the town, even as a teenager.
A bunch of extended family -- aunts, uncles, cousins (to Jackie) -- each with their own agenda.
The Pinciottis
Bob Pinciotti, who aspires to be where Jackie Burkhart is now and acts like a sycophant while planning to take his place in the town.
Midge Pinciotti, a somewhat ditzy but insightful member of Pam Burkhart's circle. She reports back whatever information she learns to Bob, not all of it accurate since Pam is on to Bob's plans. When they align with Pam's, Midge's reports are accurate.
Donna Pinciotti, the daughter who wants nothing to do with her father's machinations -- despite Bob believing she has no idea about any of them. Lots of tension between daughter and father, with mother in between.
A bunch of extended family -- aunts, uncles, cousins (to Donna) -- each with their own agenda.
The Formans
This family is the moral center of the town.
Red Forman, who sees through bull crap and does what he can to foil Jack Burkhart's plans for the town. He works with Bob sometimes to do so. Ultimately, Red hopes for a balance of power between the Burkharts and Pinciottis ... although he'd prefer them both to leave Point Place.
Kitty Forman let's herself be underestimated by Pam Burkhart and ends up being a thorn in Pam's side. Of course, Kitty also works at the hospital, where tons of soapy drama occurs.
Laurie Forman, chaos incarnate. She'll use whatever means necessary to get whatever she wants from whomever she wants. Switching babies. Kidnapping people and leaving them in wells. Every daytime soap opera trope ever.
Eric Forman, the goodhearted but insecure son who finds himself fighting the corrupt forces in town when all he wants to do is read comic books and spend time with his girlfriend, Donna Pinciotti.
Steven Hyde, the wild card. People of all kinds trust him because he's willing to get his hands dirty if it means freeing Point Place from Jack and Pam Burkhart. Through his girlfriend, Jackie Burkhart, he gets into Jack and Pam's good graces. While seemingly working for them, he's actually working on dismantling their power.
Red's family (mother, brothers) and Kitty's family (parents, sister) get involved during certain storylines, some as antagonists and others as helpers.
The Kelsos
This family has a lot of members, and each plays a role. Michael Kelso and Casey Kelso have a contentious relationship but will work together when they deem it necessary.
The Erdmans
Mr. and Mrs. Erdman are Point Place's morality police. Annoying to everyone, especially the student they're hosting from another country.
Fez is both naive and psychologically savvy. He often gets pulled into situations too big for him to handle. But his ability to disarm someone through his understanding of their mind saves him and others from nefarious people and plots.
Soap operas, by their very nature, cannot allow its characters to be happy for long. The only way out is to move away (and leave the show) or to die.

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donna + jackie {season five}
How do you picture Hyde proposing to Jackie?
Many ways in different circumstances. 😂 Another question with more than one answer. I've written him proposing in several fanfics, none the same way.
If you have a specific scenario in mind (like the original T7S series finale), feel free to send another ask.
If in the future Hyde would come home to Jackie and be really drunk, do you think she’d be angry at him and leave him alone or be concerned and take care of him?
If it's the first time, concerned and take care of him. And try to find out what triggered his over-drinking.
If it's one time among several, Jackie would be concerned and insist he get help before he turns into Edna or Bud.
See this post for more on this subject.
Which couple do you think will be the first and last to get married and have kids?
Kelso and Brooke are canonically the first couple who have a kid. Kelso was “ready” (willing?) to marry Jackie in S1’s “The Pill” during her pregnancy scare. He’s actually in love with Brooke, and I think they could be the first to marry (although it depends on how their relationship develops).
Eric and Donna would get married when they truly feel ready (they already rushed toward it once; they’re not going to make that mistake again). Donna’s career and desire to travel are very important to her, so she’d likely want to delay having kid (or kids) for a while. Eric, though, would be ready sooner but respect Donna’s wishes.
Hyde and Jackie would get married after Jackie’s graduated college and begun her career. I think they’d get married before Eric and Donna because Jackie needs that security, and Hyde’s going to give it to her (“No, I’ve decided [to marry Jackie].” Kids-wise, I’ve said it before, but I see them with one. And Hyde would try to delay, delay, delay that as much as possible. Fortunately for him, Jackie is very career-oriented, and she’d probably wait until her career was stable and the urge to be a mom overwhelmed her.
Would you ever do a slasher au? For like Halloween or somthing. I just watched strangers and I though it would be a good plot for it
I wouldn’t, but I have a good fic rec for you! 😀
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Summary: Set in 1981, the gang decides to go on one more blow out before their lives "start to go to crap," after Kelso tells them about a supposedly haunted house in Somers. Yet as soon as they arrive, they're faced with their inner horrors coming to life.

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Do you think ppl who work jobs that aren’t aligned with their passions are somehow less intelligent or capable?
This isn't a question about the fictional T7S characters or T7S fanfic or imaginative writing. This is a question about what I believe about real people. But I'll indulge it because the short answer is simple: of course not.
The longer answer is that I have many people in my life with careers that don't align with their passion(s). The framing of, "[L]ess intelligent or less capable" — is thisclose to putting words in my stylus that I never typed or implied. I don't think in those terms.
Everyone is different. They have their motivations and emotional reasons and a plethora of other internal and external circumstances that lead them to choose what they do.
Some advice: don't assume facts about people that aren't in evidence. This Ask is framed as a question, but it functions as an accusation.
Live long and prosper. 🖖
To any fanfic writer who’s gotten surprisingly hostile comments on any of their stories, the above is a comic I made four years ago after I got one of those comments myself. Red’s words to Leo are what one of my stories received from a particularly flummoxed reader (can’t remember which story that was, lol).
But this comic can also represent Leo being the one who wrote season 8 of T7S or who came up with the premise of That ‘90s Show – and Red expressing the feelings of many of us.
Nine years now since I made that comic.
Welcome to the Lack of Experience, Lack of Knowledge, Lack of Imagination Institute.
What dreams can we crush for you today?
Hyde: Hey, yeah. So I wanna run my own record label someday.
Lack Cubed, VP: You live in rural Wisconsin. Never going to happen.
Hyde: My dad owns Grooves. HQ's in Milwaukee. I go there all the time, man.
Lack Cubed, VP: Oh. That's different. People from small towns and suburbs make it in the music business all the time by moving to a city with a thriving music scene, especially folks with talent and resources. I'm sorry, but we can't help you. Next!
Eric: Um, hi. Hello. I think I want to become a toy designer. I'm eighteen and I still play with, well, toys.
Lack Cubed, VP: Unfortunately, no Midwest colleges offer a BFA in Toy Design. Only a handful of colleges exist that do anyway, and they're on the coasts of the country. But if you get a Industrial Design or Mechanical Engineering degree from a Midwestern college, you should have no problem pursuing your -- NEXT!
Fez: I am an immigrant to this country. I have a green card, and I'm working toward getting citizenship. I love chocolate, and I want to make chocolate, and I want to earn money from making chocolate. Like Willy Wonka except without the Oompah Loompas. They give me nightmares.
Lack Cubed, VP: I've looked through your records. There are several incidents of you eating chocolate -- or what you think is chocolate -- off the floor. You devoured the chocolate candy you bought for your girlfriend, and all she received was an empty box. Your friend had to stop you once from a chocolate binge. Shall I go on?
Fez: No. I learned to control those urges once I started having sex. I learned I was using chocolate as a substitute for ... sex.
Lack Cubed, VP: I see. Still, you're not very smart, are you? You seem destined to work a thankless middle management job until you retire.
Fez: My parents sent me to America to get an education. I took honors classes in high school and graduated cum laude. The first word is pronounced KOOM.
Lack Cubed, VP: I know how it's pronounced. Scholarships exist for people in your situation. If you have any proficiency in baking --
Fez: I made you this!
Lack Cubed, VP: Why, that's a Chocolate Decadent Cake. And it's fully intact! Mr. Fez, you can go far if you work hard. All the current evidence suggests that's exactly what you'll so, so ... get out!
Lack Cubed, CEO: How many dreams did you crush today?
Lack Cubed, VP: None. Every client who showed up today can achieve what they hope to do.
Lack Cubed, CEO: So you failed to lock their brain in a tiny box from which it cannot escape. What's the name of this institute?
Lack Cubed, VP: The Lack of Experience, Lack of Knowledge, Lack of Imagination Institute.
Lack Cubed, CEO: You exhibited all three: a clear lack of experience; a clear lack of knowledge, and an infinite lack of imagination. Otherwise, you would've crushed everyone's dreams today! You're not cut out for this career. Clear out your office.
Now-Former Lack Cubed, VP: At least it wasn't a total loss. My dream was crushed.
hyde + jackie {season five}
This might be a question that requires a more involved answer (and it might be one you've already answered lol) but how do you wish the six main characters had developed or evolved over the course of the show?
How I depict them in @those70scomics is one way. At some point, the comics' goal became to keep the characters from veering off their clearly established paths.
I wish T7S had done what The Middle did and create a fictional college that was close enough that the gang would end up hanging out at the basement seemingly more than they were in college. But barring that:
Rhonda never leaves. She and Fez continue to grow as individuals and as a couple. Their mutual interest in sweets becomes a joint career venture (that they'll go to the same school for).
Brooke never leaves. She and Kelso continue to grow as individuals and as a couple. We see them being parents to an infant than toddler, and Betsy's presence would affect everyone some way (but she wouldn't be a constant on-screen presence).
Hyde confronts Jackie and Kelso at the Pinciottis' in season 5. Hyde learns the truth about Jackie comforting Kelso -- and about his own insecurities. Hyde actually works on himself because, in large part, he doesn't want to hurt Jackie the way his parents hurt him. This storyline would be full of organic internal conflict, affecting his relationship with Jackie (organic external conflict). Jackie and Hyde's relationship would go through its trials but no breakups.
Eric and Donna have a long engagement with no wedding date set. They go off to college together at the end of the series.
Hyde's relationships with W.B. and Angie are more deeply developed. And W.B. and Angie themselves are more deeply developed. Who's Angie's mom? Did she die, and is that why W.B. and Edna have a brief relationship? Give us details, baby show. Details.
No alcoholic Kitty past S5. She actually gives up her schnapps and regains her normal level of intelligence.
Bob and Joanne stay together. Donna and Joanne develope a relationship.
Pam Burkhart is actually held accountable for her absence and abandonment of her minor child, who's left to deal (albeit unrealistically) with the family's financial fallout.
And so much more!
If Hyde and Jackie’s marriage fell apart, do you think they’d have a brutal, bitter divorce and custody fight? Or would it be amicable?
Depends on why they divorce. It can go so many ways. Lots of variables. This is not a question with only one answer. ✍️

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Do you think Hyde would be nervous when he proposes because it’s a big moment or rather chill because he knows what Jackie’s answer will be?
Considering how peaceful Hyde sounds in S7 when he tells Eric, "No, I've decided [to marry Jackie]," I think he'd be nervous because Jackie leaves before the deadline she set for the ultimatum. Sounds contradictory, but now that he understands what he wants, Jackie's tossed a monkey wrench into a ln already screwed up situation.
Hyde can't be sure Jackie will say yes. He'd be feeling a mix of emotions, including resentment, but he'd let love override them. Once Jackie says yes, they'll have a LOT to talk about and work out.
Jackie, feeling secure in Hyde's commitment to her, would be more open to hearing his anger and resentment at the ultimatum and how she handled it. And that would allow her to explain how the ultimatum was a culmination of his attitude toward their relationship since "Winter" (7x11) and that him waiting until the last minute of the ultimatum deadline made her think he'd say no.
"It shouldn't have taken you a day and night of drinking beer to commit to me."
"Had to drink to think, man."
"Steven, that's horrible."
"I'm kidding ... okay, no I'm not. And you're not wrong."
Yeah, there's a longer ficlet here. 😅
Don’t get me wrong I love when Hyde texted Jackie about being zen but seeing as Jackie grew up with the more “popular crowd” don’t you think she’d kinda be used to not letting people see her lose it?
Hi Anon!
Respectfully, I completely disagree.
Jackie is an only child to a very wealthy, upper-class family. What we briefly see of Jack Burkhart on screen tells us that though he's largely absent, he's very much fond of his daughter. He gives her a substantial allowance (enough for her to spend a grotesque amount of money on Kelso throughout their relationship), allows her to drive his Lincoln Continental whenever she needs it, and presumably paid for horse-back riding lessons throughout her childhood (speaking from experience, this is not cheap!), to name only a few things.
I don't believe Jackie is a brat (as the writers would like us to believe), but I do think it's clear that her father certainly spoiled her as a child whenever he could. This could be due to a simple belief that his only child should have whatever she wanted, or could be some underlying guilt for being an absent parent -- we don't know enough about Jack to really tell.
My point is, I don't think Jackie was told 'no' a lot as a child. Her more demanding or abrasive (as Hyde puts it) personality traits are likely as a result of this and I believe those are traits she's had for the majority of her life. Until Donna warms up to her in S1, I don't believe Jackie has had a genuine friend her entire life. Jackie's reaction to Donna calling her a friend in 1x17 makes this really obvious to me.
I believe that most of her acquaintances at school merely 'tolerate' her because of her family's wealth and social status. Remember her father is on City Council and a business owner -- altogether a fairly public figure for the relatively small Point Place. Many of her more 'popular' acquaintances at school are probably of a similar social background and there's probably a certain level of 'expectation' for them to be 'friendly'.
Jackie claims to be an 'expert on girl lies' and 'good at lying', but I don't think she's as good at it as she thinks she is. With a few exceptions (usually when her pride is at stake), Jackie is actually not very good at masking her true feelings and is largely ruled by her emotions.
This comparison might not be entirely fair since we only see her for one episode, but Kat Peterson is similarly a 'wealthy popular girl' archetype. If you compare Kat's mannerisms to Jackie's mannerisms, they are almost nothing alike. Kat is aloof, superior, and generally callous. Jackie by comparison is sensitive, passionate, and more often than not generous. Jackie very clearly wears her heart on her sleeve in most episodes we see her in.
Jackie's sheltered upbringing and being spoiled by her father has led her to having this weird combination of confidence and naivety. She sometimes too easily expresses her frustration, impatience, sadness, anger, hurt, etc. and that makes her vulnerable. She allows herself to be manipulated by other people multiple times as a result (e.g. 1x13, 1x15, 2x25, 3x10, almost the entirety of S4, I could go on).
By teaching her 'Zen', Hyde at least teaches her how deal with Laurie's bullying in a more constructive way, as opposed to allowing herself to be constantly baited by her.
As a final note, while we know Jackie is on the cheer squad, the show never actually displays her interacting with that clique meaningfully. Only briefly showing us scenes with Leslie Cannon and Julie. We don't actually know how savvy her interactions with that group are -- though we do know that Jackie was unceremoniously kicked off the cheer squad in S6. This indicates to me that it's more likely she's not got the best relationship with them, and I'm sure Jackie's predisposition to speak her mind and express her feelings contributes to that.
Thanks for the ask! 💖
All of this. ^^^
Jackie is a very vulnerable character, which doesn't negate her strength, the behaviors and attitudes she absorbed from her parents, or the self-protection mechanisms she developed because of childhood wounding.
Jackie is shown giving on T7S more than she takes, despite her egotism. She gives Kelso presents and the money to buy her a dress, which he spends on a stake on The Hub's pinball machine. She expresses empathy toward Kelso and gives him support when he's impotent and can't have sex with Pam Macy -- when Jackie could've had every impulse to humiliate him further, as he'd done to her (mostly through Laurie) after Jackie wouldn't take him back within two weeks of dumping for his cheating on her ... with Laurie.
For more, check out out my meta Jackie Burkhart and Steven Hyde: Loser and Dirtbag?