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I often write ship and let ship on metas of mine. A relationship between two fictional characters who can consent to being in that relationship (in contrast to, for example, minor x adult ships ā where the minor canāt consent due to being a minor) hurts no one.
Itās the same as how people participate in fandom. Participate and let others participate, as long as that participation doesnāt include purposely or maliciously hurting other real people. If a personās main interest is critiquing a show they love, often thatās due to the love. They see the potential in a series and wish it hadnāt been squandered on what they view as bad writing.
Another fan might focus on expanding upon whenever the series canon ends for them. In T7Sās case, for some itās when Hyde says, āNo, Iāve decided [to marry Jackie].ā For others itās the end of season 7. For others still, itās the end of season 8.
If one doesnāt enjoy the kind of (unharmful) content another fan produces, donāt read it / look at it, engage with it, etc. Scroll away.
I enjoy many kinds of T7S content. The kind I donāt, I ignore. On the T7S message board at Fan Forum, a group of fans wanted a thread dedicated to shipping Hyde/Samantha. My co-mod at the time and I set up that thread despite our personal preferences and opinion about that relationship. We did, as moderators, have to check on the thread to make sure posters followed both the message board's rules and Fan Forum's, so we couldn't ignore it. But that was a responsibility our role required.
On Tumblr, we don't have such a requirement. Participate and let others participate.
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Hey idk if you still make T7S ship names, but I was hoping you could help me make one for Jackie x Laurie?
I love Lab Partners for Buddy x Eric (It helps to differentiate from my other Beric ship), Dyde for Donna x Hyde, and Kelfez for Kelso x Fez (sorry, I just can't call them Sex and Candy).
Hi!
Some ideas: Lovers and Fighters, Hot Rollers, Girl Talk
Blog followers, feel free to suggest others. They need to be related to Jackie and Laurie specifically to work. I used "Van Stock" (2x06) and "Cat Fight Club" (2x25) for the three above.
Note 1: Most of the original T7S fandom ship names were created long before I joined the fandom. Once I became a moderator of the T7S message board at Fan Forum, where the names were created, we changed a few (for a variety of reasons). Sex and Candy for Fez/Kelso is a holdover we never changed. It's inspired by the song of the same name by Marcy Playground (a song that got a lot of radio play in the late '90s when T7S began airing).
Note 2: I hate blends for ship names, partly because they sound silly to me, partly because they take no imagination, and partly because people used to create ship names with thought and effort and by consensus. The below isn't directed at the Anon but the use of blends as ship names
Let's take Dyde for Donna and Hyde as a prime example. It sounds like died. Which is exactly what Hyde's hope for a romantic relationship with Donna did: died. People from the T7S fandom pre-2010 and a little afterward would've found it hilarious because they hated the Donna/Hyde ship.
Beric makes me think of a bear.
Jelso makes me think of jealous or JELL-O.
Deric is the name Derek.
Jyde -- wtf is a Jyde? š
Burkhyde takes absolutely no imagination. Might as well just write Jackie x Hyde.
And so on.
But Zenmasters, Goons, Lab Partners all tie directly into the characters' relationship. They're instantly recognizable for fans of the show who've watched the show passionately enough take part in the fandom. Blends are lazy and don't always clearly indicate who the two characters in a ship are. Beric, for instance, could be Brooke/Eric. Generic. Non-informative.
Felso is the blend for Fez x Kelso people tend to use. It's Kelso with the first letter of Fez replacing K. I don't like Sex and Candy either, but at least it captures the characters' obsessions -- Fez is obsessed with candy while Kelso is obsessed with sex. (Although Fez becomes obsessed with sex, too, later in, but not the way Kelso is characterized.)
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What do you think Hyde and Jackieās wedding vows will be like? Do you think Hyde would be that sentimental with an audience?
Hyde would not be that verbally expressive, in my estimation. He has enough trouble expressing his emotions when in private with Jackie (or anyone trusts). Hopefully, he'll have grien more comfortable with it by the wedding. But Hyde is hardwired not to be verbally effusive.
I think he would have developed a silent, gesture-symbolic way of communicating his feelings to Jackie. He'd use a specific gesture as his vows, and she'd be the only one to understand.
Whenever I read in T7S fanfic Hyde speaking to Jackie like a generic romance novel character, I cringe. šµāš« Hyde has, what I've called for over a decade, emotional constipation. Pushing out the words that express his feelings is very difficult. If he begins soliloquizing to Jackie about his love for her, unless he's under a magic spell of some kind, it's not Hyde.
A significant amount of emotional pressure is one reason he'd get out the words. At his and Jackie's wedding, he'd refuse to read vows he wouldn't write down anyway. He'd freeze up if he had to speak on the spot.
The best he could do is, "Jackie, you know how I feel. We wouldn't be getting hitched if I didn't plan on followin' through on what that means."
Jackie cries at how beautiful his vows are to her.
How do you think Hyde expresses his jealousy? Say if Jackie made a new male friend at college or work and he thinks the guy is interested in her beyond a platonic bond?
As usual, the answer depends on where Jackie and Hyde are in their relationship. From your ask, sounds like they're well-established and fully committed to each other.
Hyde's "jealousy" about Kelso is actually an insecurity specific to Kelso because of Jackie's relationship to Kelso and how she uses Hyde during S2-S3 to deal with her grief over Kelso.
Random dudes, I don't think Hyde would care too much about by the time he and Jackie have chosen to live their lives together. The exception is if they're having communication issues, meaning a problem exists in their relationship they haven't worked through yet. Otherwise, Hyde might tease Jackie about her new man-friend.
Donna grew up.with platonic mane friends, Hyde included, so I doubt Hyde would feel threatened by that. If one of those friends was attracted to Jackie and wanted more, Jackie herself would put an end to that. Unless the guy were aggressive and didn't understand, "No," is a complete sentence, Jackie would off-handedly tell Hyde about the non-situation.
Hyde (proud): That's my chick.
Jackie (straddling his lap, facing him): Exactly. (She cups his cheeks.) And you're my man, the only one I want.
They make out.
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If Jackie needed help with an aggressive male "friend" who won't stop pursuing her, at work she'd go to HR. If HR were useless, she'd use her lawyer. At college in the early 1980s, from what I've gathered from various sources, she'd have little to no resources on campus (I'd have to do real research to be accurate about this subject). Hyde beating up the guy could get him tossed in jail and her tossed from the school. So this situation is quite the conundrum.
Her dad would be out of prison by then (his sentence would only be nine months; this fact I did research, specific to his stated crimes, Wisconsin, and 1978. I actually found an almost one-to-one case that occured in Wisconsin that very year, and the man was sentenced nine months, which is the standard maximum).
Jack Burkhart would be Jackie's best bet in getting this guy off her back. Jack would deal with the college administration.
But Hyde wouldn't be angry at Jackie or jealous. He'd feel protective of her and angry (or furious in his controlled way) at the guy who's harassing her.
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Over the years, other people and I have received somewhat heated asks that demonstrate a lack of knowledge about what John Gardner, literary author and teacher, called the fictive dream and how it applies to all stories -- including That '70s Show.
For people who'd like to learn why certain of Hyde and other T7S characters' actions are (considered) OOC (by others), read this meta. You'll also learn about what's called character drift, a problem that afflicts many TV shows.
No main character on T7S is exempt from the writers forcing them to act against their long-established natures to serve plot and punchline. When plot and punchline is put first, character consistency suffers.
Hyde sleeping with the nurse in S5 tends to divide T7S fans about whether or not it's in-character. Read this meta for why I believe it's not in-character and why the showrunners and writers seemed to have known it was out of character, too. Reading the text (i.e. dialogue and actions of the characters) closely often reveals the truth. š§
As a T7S fan, an author, and a scholar of literature, my fidelity is to proper storytelling -- regardless if the story goes in the direction I want. When I watch a TV show, character manipulation and character drift pop out at me. This is a different phenomenon than simply not liking a story choice; if that choice makes character sense (i.e. doesn't break the fictive dream), I'll accept it even if I wish the writers had made a different choice.
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Here's a snippet from 'Love, Wisconsin Style' for this Wednesday. As I mentioned on ao3, this upcoming chapter more so focuses on what I'd consider 'missing scenes' and only a few adjustments. One such 'missing scene' is featured here, between Jackie and Kitty.
'Flowers in Her Hair' is still expected to update later this week -- though possibly Saturday instead of my usual Friday upload. Just working through a minor writing snag on the next chapter, and I'm not sure I'll have time to complete it between now and Friday.
Anyway! Onto the snippet!
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Despite the fact that both she and Steven had broken their rules, the Formansā had been kind to her. They allowed her to sleep in Laurieās room instead of kicking her out, and it smelled like delectable, fresh pancakes when she woke up.Ā
She didnāt sleep as well as she had for the past month, having become accustomed to sleeping in Stevenās arms, but sheād slept well enough. It was a little embarrassing to have become so reliant on him, but it was too late for her to go back and do things differently.
She didnāt know what she was going to do now that they had been discovered, but she was going to worry about that later. For now, she was going to worry about doing everything she could to make herself as beautiful as could beāknowing that she looked pretty would make her feel better, no matter what difficult decisions she had to face.
After Jackie showered, she sat at Laurieās vanity to do her makeup, just before she heard a knock at the door.
āCome in!ā Jackie called, glancing over her shoulder to see Mrs. Forman enter the room. āGood morning, Mrs. Forman!ā
āGood morning Jackie!ā Mrs. Forman said, before she lifted her hands to show off a couple of ribbons in colors that flattered her outfit. āI noticed your outfit and realized I had some leftover ribbon in my crafting supplies that matchedāI was wondering if you wanted some help doing your hair this morning.ā
Jackie smiled, eager to accept the opportunity to be pampered. āI suppose I could let you help me with my hair, Mrs. Forman.ā
āBelieve it or not, Laurie used to let me do her hair when she was little,ā Mrs. Forman said with a laugh. Mrs. Forman placed the ribbons down on the vanity and grabbed a brush, and then smiled in the mirror.
Jackie chewed the inside of her cheek and then glanced down at her lap. āWell, you know, Iām not a little girl, Mrs. Forman.ā
āNo, but are you too old to have your hair styled?ā
Jackie was quiet for a moment as she considered the question. If she wanted to be stubborn or act proud, chances were that Mrs. Forman would just renege on her offer and go back downstairs. However, the reality was that receiving special attention from Mrs. Forman felt comforting, especially after dealing with both of her parents being absent for the past two months.
āNo, Iām not.ā
āWell, all righty then!ā Mrs. Forman said brightly, and then began to pull the brush through her dark hair.
Jackieās eyes closed at the pleasant feeling of her hair being brushed, and she felt herself swept up in the moment. She couldnāt remember the last time her mother had done something similar for her. Perhaps when she had been very little, before her motherās career had fully taken off. It was a long, distant dream of the past.
āSo, your mother is still out of the country?ā Mrs. Forman asked after a minute.