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guys, what was happening here? is just some finn's stimming or?

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guys, what was happening here? is just some finn's stimming or?
"S02E04 WILL THE WISE"
guys...
#CONFORMITYGATE
Guys, i dont know shit about D&D but i remember that in S4 Erica beats Vecna after roll a 20.
That even led us to think that El (11) + Kali (8) + Will (1)= 20 was the key to success!
But after all, we (conformitygate believers) know for a fact: Vecna won and lives. So, they need a new plan asap!!!
Well, today i was overthinking about the documentary poster and couldnt find peace about will, el and mike being highlighted. Then i decided to number the pictures (they already are but some are not so clear and it was making difficult for me to find some pattern or whatever)
And the sum of Will, El and Mike's pictures is also a 20!!!!
So whatever is coming these 3 little guys are the key...
so this is probably a huge reach, but why is the cave shaped the same as the M on mike's D&D binder?
M marks the spot indeed
(SORRY ABOUT THE SHIT IMAGE QUALITY, I HAD TO TAKE A PIC OF THE SCREENCAP)
duffers I promise no one gaf that the upside down is a wormhole okay why tf did vecna/the mind flayer choose will byers on Nov 6th 1983 quickly now

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"It's forced conforming. That's what's killing the kids..."
At the exact moment when Mike is closest to his girlfriend all season, Derek, dressed in RAINBOWđłâđ clothing, sends a little wave.
Mike Wheeler you need to wake up...
edit: i feel like this is similar to the pipe scene, looks out of place but its funny so it doesnt really bother the audience, it can be something deeper shown in a subtle way. For me, Mike is living in conformity "cuddling" his girlfriend, but homosexuality (rainbow colors) its trying to reach and he sees it but dont fully understand yet.
guys, its NOT over.
#CONFORMITYGATE
Max about Vecna/Henry/001
*i dont remember his name* about Dr Kay
#CONFORMITYGATE
Guys, why was Nance's graduation robe green in Stranger Things: One Way or Another book but in the episode 8 was orange?
#conformitygate, Dr Kay and number 12
Guys, i really hate to feel like i am being delusional but PLEASE WALK WITH ME.
In episode 7 Will says about drink milk shake at Melvad's and then in the next episode at 0:00:43 we see Dr Kay walking with soldiers right in front at the Melvad's GENERAL STORE. The camera pans and it looks very purposeful so it can show us it is a GENERAL STORE and not a regular diner with milk shake or whatever. Show this place right in the begin of the episode looks a lot like A REMINDER!
Also, i was looking for correspondencies for Kay + D&D (unfortunately is not a subject i have knowledge so i had to look it up at wiki) and the closest thing i saw was a type of elf called: Shadar Kai - sha(d)a(r) (kai). And this is their description:
I remember watching the first volume and my mom who was a fan of Linda Hamilton was like "wow, has been a time since i saw her, she looks very wrinkled" (very rude comentary but i swear it clicked something in my brain). So, at first i thought that was just a natural feature of the actress (which is) but thinking now maybe getting her in the show was a delibarate choice so she could match the traits of a shadar-kai: she's shown several times being the shorter in the room (like elves) and has grey hair.
Besides, look like shadar-kai elves used to serve a goddess called Raven Queen who apparently is fascinated with the past and "sits in her fortress, amidst all the MEMORIES of the world"
Memories are very important this season, but if we think that what characters are telling is right in the universe, so The Duffers are the ones who seems to be forgetting a lot of details?
Vecna is not only messing up with our heroes memories, hes also erasing and probably did that to their parents before (whom are shown to known henry creel from high school).
So its very weird for me that the show would end without AT LEAST adress Joyce and Hopper's moment of realization.
PLUS: For some reason, Duffers are always telling things took 12 hours to film:
https://variety.com/2025/tv/news/noah-schnapp-will-gay-stranger-things-5-1236612777/
https://x.com/i/status/1965462105437733272
And on this video they break down the scene where Holly is kidnapped and they say this about Ted Wheeler going through the wall take:
timestamp: 8:37
It reminds me of Vecna's CLEAR obsession with clocks and the number 12 (as in kidnapping 12 kids and kidnapping Will Byers when he was 12 years old). And also the time jump in both the begin of the season 5 and the Vol3 are of 18 months (basically: 12+6 months)
I dont know what all that means, but that was some observations i had and maybe we all could help each other figure out what the fuck is happening.
Season 2 Mike definitely saw Max as a love rival for Will
Another Byler from Mike Wheeler's POV analysisâ(Unrequited love trope edition).
Walk with me.
Sometimes I think about how when the party went trick-or-treating Mike specifically told Will that he, "should have checked with him" first before letting Max join them.
It's just a very peculiar moment. Why Will?
Even Will was confused by this, lol.
We know that Mike doesn't like Max in season 2 (for reasons we'll look into more), but why did he make this Will's problem/ responsibility? Especially after only knowing of her existence for 2 days at this point.
He wasn't angry at Lucas or Dustinâor at least, he didn't expect them to come to him for permissionâotherwise he would have said something to them, too.
It was Will who he felt betrayed by and upset with.
Heck, go ahead and take a second look at the first screenshot provided above.
Does Mike look angry to you?
Noâhe looks forlorn.
Let me break it down for you:
I'll start by saying when the party learned of MADMAX the screename, they were all equally interested in knowing who it was.
But when Max is introduced to us as a character (and revealed to be a girl), we get markedly different reactions between the boys.
In the first frame, they have no idea who she is or what her name is. All they see is a new girl. (Played by Sadie Sink mind you, who is very pretty).
Look at Mike's face: he already looks sulky.
The second frame is after they learn her name is Max. Once again, all four boys show some level of interest, but Mike remains sulky.
Then we have the recess scene in which the boys are watching Max, which is very interesting.
Consider the blocking and body language in this frame:
Look at Will here: he's just as interested in Max as Lucas and Dustin are (even if his interest is not based on attraction). In fact, he's the main focus of this frame for some reason.
Mike is the only one who hangs back, and his body language is completely different from the other three (hands in pockets, meaning he is distanced). He has no interest whatsoever and his facial expression appears agitated.
Mike feels like the odd one out here.
Will fits in.
When they "lose the target" Will is the one who spots her and reinitiates the "watching." Once again, Will is the main focus of this shot and even seems to be showing the most interest; his expression is bright and engaged.
He runs with Lucas and Dustin to the wastebin while Mike trails behind begrudgingly, not wanting to be left behind.
It begs the question: why is Will the focal point among the four boys in a scene about looking at a girl, if he was never intended to be a love interest?
I argue it's because we're seeing this interaction from a very specific perspectiveâthe perspective of Mike Wheeler, who is standing back and observing.
It's also worth noting that Will's change in demeanor and energy here is extremely apparent.
He is noticeably withdrawn and low in spirits this season due to his PTSD (both literal and metaphorical if you count the MF as a metaphor for trauma).
And Mike notices. Heâs the one who points out that Will had been "quiet today"âa detail the others miss because they donât watch Will the way he does.
Notice that Will is disengaged during the science lesson (before Max arrives), while the other three are nerding out. Will previously participated in the science fairâit typically interests himâbut his mood is very low.
Then compare that with his immediate engagement when Max walks into the classroom, and the level of interest he showed during recess. Mike would certainly observe this shift, paying as much attention to Will as he does.
In fact, once the distraction of Max has passed and the principal comes to collect him, Will's body language retreats again; shoulders hunched, eyes downcast.
What conclusion do you think Mike would come to based off these few short interactions?
(And these are the only interactions Mike sees between Will and Max before trick-or-treating together the next day. Mike hasn't even spoken to her yet).
From Will's perspective, this girl is just a novelty: a light-hearted distraction from everything else going on, offering a spot of normalcy.
But from Mike's perspective, this is a pretty new girl showing up out of nowhere and immediately raising Will's spirits: something he felt like he failed to do.
And so it brings us to the trick-or-treating scene, in which Will (apparently) joins Dustin and Lucas in their enthusiasm for Max joining the party, while Mike hangs back and then begrudgingly follows, not wanting to be left behind.
Are we noticing the pattern?
Then we have Mike's confrontation with Will (this happens after Will is seen filming Max, btw). He tells Will he should have checked with him about Max joining them and that Max is, "ruining the best night of the year."
Uh... what? What did she do?
He then storms off: inentionally leaving Will behind this time.
(He wants him to know how that feels).
Following this interaction, Will has a big scare with the MFâand of course, itâs Mike who finds him first. Despite his mood, Mike is still attentive and protective.
Mike behaves possessively when he finds Will, not wanting the others to get involved. He takes Will âhomeâ (his home) so they can be alone.
What follows is a scene that, put simply, is about reciprocation.
Interestingly, Mikeâs attitude toward Max shifts after this scene with Willâhe doesnât have anything to say about Max joining the party in the AV room to look at Dustinâs pollywog.
This is the girl who apparently ruined Halloween.
Youâd think heâd still be unhappy to see her.
But after that conversation with Will in his basement, Mike feels more secure and reassured about the state of their relationship.
He's no longer jealous.
So now, it's apparently fine for Max to be in the party.
Well, that changes again.
The next notable interaction is after Mike realises the pollywog is from the UD. Mike immediately goes into protective mode. Itâs not Will who storms into the classroom to grab the trapâitâs Mike.
Itâs also (presumably) Mike who locks Max outside of the AV room when they discuss this, yelling at her that she canât come inside.
When she opens the door anyway, the pollywog escapesâand (of course) Mike blames her. No one else points fingers.
Now, the boys were hesitant to reveal any information about the UD for obvious reasons, but here we see the recurring theme in the Mike/Will/Max triangle: Mikeâs protectiveness (and slight possessiveness) of Will.
So, a recap of Mikeâs perspective so far:
First gripe: Youâre hogging Willâs attention (possessive) Second gripe: Youâve compromised Willâs safety (protective)
Then we finally have the confrontation between Mike and Max:
It literally starts with Mike telling Max to leave because she's in the boys' room. (Similar to his "boys only" comment in season 3).
Let's not get it twisted: When Max finally asks Mike why he's been treating her the way he has been, he deflects.
Mike, who always has a ready opinion and is not afraid of confrontation, is not comfortable sharing the real reason why.
Itâs commonly believed that Mike simply didnât like Max because her presence reminded him of Elâs absenceâand I see itâbut after a closer look, I no longer agree.
Firstly, I donât think itâs fair to assume that Max would remind Mike of El (or rub salt in the wound of her absence) just because theyâre both girls. Max and El couldnât be more differentâphysically or otherwiseâand that distinction feels intentional.
Mike would never compare Max to El, because to him, El is incomparableâa superhero who saved his (and Willâs) life.
Also, in Mikeâs mind, El is still in the partyâhe lists her name off with the other members.
Max wouldnât be a replacement.
He literally just stated that she would be an addition.
Secondly, Mike never actually makes this connection himself. He simply offhandedly mentions El when heâs trying to convince Max sheâs not needed.
So why does he want her to stay away?
And when El is finally introduced (both through conversation and literally) to this dynamic, what happens?
Mike and Max begin to get along.
They share a smile.
If Mikeâs issue with Max had anything to do with El, the scene wouldnât have played out this way.
Itâs classic misdirection.
The misdirection is so obvious they lean into itâeven having El herself misinterpret Mike and Maxâs relationship, becoming jealous.
She mistakenly assumes Mike is interested in Max, just like Mike mistakenly assumed Will was interested in her, too.
Theyâre giving the audience a warped perspective, urging us to look behind the curtain.
Mikeâs behaviour towards Max fits perfectly into Bylerâs shared arc in Season 2: Mike is attentive, protective, and possessive over Will, while Willâconsumed by the MFâcanât fully reciprocate that attention.
The âcrazy togetherâ scene is the only time Mike receives the same energy back from Will the entire season.
I feel like people forget that when they talk about how cute Season 2 was for Byler. Cute from Willâs perspective, maybe (supernatural plot aside)âbut for Mike?
We get multiple shots of Mike staring at Will or noticing his absence (Mike staring at Willâs empty desk being the most obvious example).
Thatâs called pining.
Will does not invite Mike to his house or show up uninvitedâMike does that. Will does not hold Mikeâs handâMike does that. Will does not watch Mike closely or check in on him constantlyâMike does that. Will does not become possessive of Mikeâs attentionâMike does that.
In fact, they play into this unreciprocated affection trope pretty blatantlyâwhen Mike bares his heart to Will, tearfully recounting their first meeting, Will quite literally cannot respond because heâs possessedâeven if he wants to.
Not to mentionâMikeâs recount of their first meeting is also (thematically) about reciprocation:
âI asked if you wanted to be my friend. And you said yes. You said yes.â
Mike puts emphasis on the fact that Will said yes: the fact that Will reciprocated his feelings.
That is what he wants.
He wants validation that Will feels the same.
That Will won't leave him behind.
And what happens at the end of Season 2?
From a Byler perspective, this season is about Mikeâs (seemingly) unrequited love for Willâand it directly influences Mikeâs (very different) behaviour in Season 3.
So yeah.
Mike didnât like Max because he was jealous, and coping with feelings for Will he feared were one-sidedâand in his mind that was confirmed as true.
Why wouldnât he be relieved to see El at the snowball dance?
Why wouldnât he kiss her?
Why wouldnât he immediately start dating her and pushing Will away?

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Eye Of Vecna
This is in addition to my post here. Thanks to @bitchinbrock whose post made me remember the D&D logic regarding the Eye Of Vecna and contamination.
So we know that D&D references a lot of the show right? And even if the Duffer Brothers are completely stupid, these references cannot be missed since even the most basic of the GA catch it. So onto the thing, the basic rule of using magic via the "Eye Of Vecna" is that the more of it (intensity matters) you use, it causes contamination in the user.
This leads to the user being more and more susceptible to corruption from Vecna, to the point where Vecna itself may take over the user in a full on soul possession.
Sound familiar? That's because it is.
Will got Henry's powers in the "Sorcerer" episode and almost immediately he did two high-intensity requirement things. The first being killing all three Demogorgons, and the second being hijacking into Vecna's mind itself. This lowers the barrier between himself and the Mind Flayer's hivemind drastically (remember that MF is the super boss here) and so Vecna uses this contamination to his full advantage by trapping Will and fucking with his mind (see here).
Of course however, there are some changes in this 'spy' situation since Season 2 and so here's where the next part of my theory begins.
I think it's less of Vecna controlling Will as Vecna's personality is bleeding over into Will the same way the Mind Flayer's personality did into Henry. And eventually, this will lead to total possession, just like "The Spy" episode from Season 2.
Except the only difference is that the Mind Flayer is a cosmic horror, it does not have a 'personality' as such but it does have a will and an immense eternal hunger (think of The Nameless Mist or even Indescribable Distance) and so that will of wanting to destroy and consume passed over to Vecna. And now Vecna is expertly manipulating his bleed-over into Will to get him defenseless because we know that if Will doesn't believe that Mike loves him, the fear will of perpetual loneliness will consume him. Which would be exactly what Vecna wants.
The whole point of this show has been around how fear consumes and love lifts you up from it, so I think it's safe to say that in the Finale we'll finally have Mike confessing his feelings to help Will win against Vecna.
Okay I feel insane bc Willâs scenes in The Bridge feel like an exact replay of his scenes in The Spy.
(Sorry for the shitty ass photos of Netflix on my laptop).
When Will first pulls Joyce aside for the Talk tm
His tone sounds strikingly similar to s2 when he's possessed and tricks the soldiers into a trap in the tunnels.
We start both with elbows on knees, hands clenching in exactly the same way.
Just before the S2 scene, Hopper was radioing El from the car. And in S5 Joyce says âHop just radioed.â
Before both times he is staring ominously at something. And in the flashback to the spy IN THE EPISODE, the tunnels almost appear to come out from his head just like the diagram of the bridge.
Mike interrupts him both times, and asks if heâs okay.
Will talks about âseeingâ things.
Knowing things that aren't wanted to be known.
And
"I think I know how to stop him"/"Which proves I can beat him"
Mike calls everyone both times. The doctors in s2, and the team in s5.
Mike says something about needing to go soon.
The doctors say "we don't have time for this."
WILL MOVES TO THE HEAD OF THE TABLE IN S2, MIRRORING HIS POSITION IN S5
Joyceâs position and movements are also very similar here.
It's also clearly paralleling Henry's "press conference" in Shock Jock where he talks about having found a way to defeat the darkness.
They were both sitting on a couch making moving speeches to an audience, and visually it looks similar to Willâs first position in The Spy.
I even made a joke about "and then everyone clapped" when I first watched Henry's scene (which is unfortunately how a lot of people felt about Willâs coming out scene).
Mike was also the first to realize he was the spy in S2 (laying prone in the hospital), and in S5 Mike makes hand movements that could be IT in morse code while Will is in his trance (laying on a couch).
There are so many more similarities, down to even the way Will moves and his micro expressions. Please go watch both scenes for yourselves.
Camazotz is an analogy for Mike, and Vecna has been watching him since the very beginning of the show, and he is going to be attacked (a theory)
in the basement on Halloween (crazy together)
[clock chime] when Mike sees Vecna this season
at the snowball (pushed Will towards a girl)
outside during a thunderstorm (argument with Will)
in the kitchen with his mother (after Will left for California)
at the hospital where Mike finds A Wrinkle in Time and where he repeatedly gives into heteronormativity
on the playground where he met Will (best thing he ever did btw)
All leading back to the first moment Mike realized something was different and suppressed it:
And now that Max, his fourth victim is free, Vecna has triggered his âfail-safeâ planâMike Wheeler.
Vecna fulfills his promise to âsmoke a fox out of the denâ by pushing Will to come out knowing it would trigger all Mikeâs repressed trauma (Willâs coming out scene perfectly parallels Vecna beginning to enact his plan and the focus keeps cutting to Holly the way Willâs scene keeps cutting to Mike. Mike who we have been told is Holly.)
So he can launch his most most shocking attack yet, probably sounding a little something like this:
(peep the pipes almost giving vine vibes and the â I LOVE MIL-WOKYâ and rainbow stickers. Dare I say a nod to Mikeâs false confession?)
One might even call it a ticking time bomb requiring some thematic music:
Good luck, gay boy.
guys, what was happening here? is just some finn's stimming or?
actually the more i look at it the more these fucking hand movements are freaking me out
they should not be in a scene if it's just a quirk
mike has never done this before
and to be fair i haven't seen finn himself do this eigther
and frankly i got s2 flashbacks when will was doing morse code while possessed
and while here there is nothing to really decipher
IT'S WEIRD IF THIS WAS INTENDED.
FOR WHAT?
mike are you fucking possessed or something what the hell is going on with you
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Wait isnât âItâ a thing from A Wrinkle In Time?
I havenât read it but they mentioned it in the cave Iâm p sure
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guys, what was happening here? is just some finn's stimming or?
actually the more i look at it the more these fucking hand movements are freaking me out
they should not be in a scene if it's just a quirk
mike has never done this before
and to be fair i haven't seen finn himself do this eigther
and frankly i got s2 flashbacks when will was doing morse code while possessed
and while here there is nothing to really decipher
IT'S WEIRD IF THIS WAS INTENDED.
FOR WHAT?
mike are you fucking possessed or something what the hell is going on with you
WE ARE ONTO SOMETHING HERE
im feeling like joyce talking to the lights but walk with me: this IS a cinematic parallel and one scene is after the other so its supposed to be kinda obvious if you think about it.