THE NINTH DOOR

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sorry i’ve only just seen this now! by negative, wdym?? bc i asked other readers too who are into the dream+tarot and predictions kind of stuff and they pulled all good things and truthfully had all good think to say

cards: the fool, temperance rx, knight of pentacles, two of pentacles rx

Did she get a ton of help? Yes. But this has also been her whole life and there was no way her hard work wouldn't pay off, especially paired up with her naturally strong/magnetic presence (in public and on stage) and skill. And she was hungry for that fame and for that spot on stage, so... She was going to get there one way or another. However, yes, the Fool at the beginning of the spread makes me feel like she was sort of "groomed" for this role as well and everyone around her made sure that she would get the best opportunities so she would, for sure, succeed. Either way, I also think that her favouritism within Destiny's Child might not have been as extreme or unfair as some people might assume. She carried the group in many ways - charisma, focus, maybe even looks? -, so she naturally just became the "star" and a major moving force for them. So, she had what it took and because of that, it was sort of destiny as well.

(And I'm just now realising how shady and biased this whole answer might sound 😭 not my intention whatsoever!! Not a Beyoncé stan.)

cards: five of wands, justice rx, king of swords, ten of pentacles

Someone might have at some point hoped for or considered giving a relationship/fling a try here, but the circumstances didn't allow for it to happen then and the thought itself wasn't even anything of substance - probably because of a 3rd party situation, as it seems to me like there were other people involved here. So, what came out of it was more so a good friendship - very trusty and close; genuinely caring -, and they gladly kept it at that.

So, to clear it up: I feel like the thought of "what if" was there for at least one of them, yes, but I don't see either being that much into the other anyway (in a romantic manner), plus someone might have been already in a relationship at the time and that was not going to end.

Thank you

cards: three of swords, nine of cups rx, the hanged man, the fool rx

Lots of drama here and they seem to want more, so I would bet it is PR. And yes, I also see other people being involved in the situation (since The Hanged Man suggests someone being stuck in the middle of something; just hanging in there and/or waiting on the sidelines). And so, in my opinion this is not a committed or exclusive relationship of any type as of yet but, also, given what we're getting regarding their wishes and intentions, they might consider turning it into something more in the future (for the sake of attention/their careers, more so). And for the moment, all I see for them personally is a more hookup sort of situation and a good friendship.

cards: six of wands rx, the fool rx, knight of cups, the wheel of fortune

I would say that as of right now most of them are close, yes. The Six of Wands reversed gives me the idea that the friendships/bonds they have go beyond the public eye and their careers, and extend deep into their private lives. So, I do believe some of them to be very good friends or to consider each other as such. However, this obviously doesn't apply to all and to every single connection, plus I think they all still disagree and fight sometimes and may go through ups and downs in their friendships, so it's not like they are bffs forever and all of the time. These are simply just a few solid bonds that make the group feel, overall, close.

like a "fake" idol? an actor type of thing? - that's what I understood from your question anyway, so it's what I'm going to be reading about. if I'm wrong though, feel free to correct me!

cards: three of swords rx, the chariot rx, king of cups, three of wands rx

Well, because many idols aren't even "real" idols (musicians, performers) to begin with - as they may become trainees just for the sake of it or to become actors, models, dancers, famous in whatever way they can, whatever it may be -, when we ask whether there are "fake" ones, the answer isn't super clear. But if I had to give you one, I would say No. They don't need that. They can just turn any normal person into an idol - because everything about that role is so ambiguous - and that's basically what they do. So, the concept of a 'stand in' in that way isn't really a thing as being an idol has long stopped equating to being a singer/musician/performer, and so many might be considered stand ins when they are essentially still a "real" idol.

cards: six of swords, ten of wands rx, the star rx, the fool rx

Alright, that's funny lol… He wanted to avoid it as much as he could, but kept giving in little by little until he had already listened to the whole thing, watched every interview, read every theory, etc. (although I also feel like he had listened to bits of it beforehand anyway!) Because I think he was like "I really don't care. It doesn't bother me and has nothing to do with me, so I'm not going to listen to it. Just gonna stay out of the drama.", in a 'I'm the bigger person' sort of way. But then, yeah, he did care and couldn't hold back from checking everything out and keeping up with what people were saying about it as well, and all that. And as for his opinion on it, what I am seeing here is just him being really butthurt and holding himself back as much as possible from being shady or looking like he's bothered, as he did get the impression that the album made him look a little bit like a fool and he's not into that. Either way, there's nothing there that makes him super mad. He simply doesn't like to feel embarassed or to be made fun of. And the music is good too, so he can't be mad about it - according to him.

And, honestly, if Olivia wanted to give their relationship another try, he probably wouldn't say no to it. Would it be anything good or stable? Nope, I don't think so. But they might still hookup for a little longer.

since 2019 they've had one of the messiest on and off celebrity relationship and im curious tbh 🙈

cards: the hanged man rx, judgement, the fool, the moon rx

Lots of things coming through right away! So, first, I bet she's either still somewhat in contact with Shawn or is very close friends with people who are close to him as well and who update her on the relationship (from an insider's pov). And that is to say that she is definitely aware of a lot of what goes on in their relationship behind closed doors. Secondly, she doesn't believe in it - and I have said it before… this is mostly a PR thing, in my opinion; they're not truly, truly in love and just like each other more as friends (besides having somewhat good chemistry as lovers). And so, from Camila's energy I'm getting a mix of well wishes and resentment. I do think she is a bit jealous that they seem to be doing so well with one another, particularly when she's going through a thougher time with her love life or career. And it's not that she wants him back; rather, I think she misses how life felt and was when they were together. But, yeah, she still wishes them well and doesn't want him back right now. And she really seems to not have any hard feelings towards him or her. Just resents the fact that she can't have that - what they have - for herself right now.

cards: five of pentacles, six of wands, four of cups, king of pentacles

Single at the moment. I think there was a connection recently that had a lot of potential to bloom into something solid, but since it didn't happen, he has been kind of upset over it and not talking to anyone. Still open to either be with a new person soon or to give that situation another try, though!

cards: six of wands, three of cups, the high priestess rx, justice rx, eight of wands

Uh girl… I think their problem is them being too obsessed with one another and themselves, honestly. Because as they try to focus on themselves and on their careers - as two people who are very ambitious and strongwilled -, balancing that with their (insane lol) desire to be with one another and have the "perfect marriage", it gets tricky. And they do care a lot for each other and will be completely selfless and thoughtful towards the other person when it's needed and without being forced to do it, so that's not an issue. However, if they stop being able to balance the two things (career/themselves & love/the other person) and approach it all with good sense and composure, this will go up in flames quick. Might still be able to fix it if they want to, though, so hopefully they will - or end the marriage on a good note if it comes to it. Because, again, they genuinely, genuinely care for one another a lot, although both are still quite ego-driven and proud.

cards: six of wands rx, the devil rx, queen of swords, three of wands rx

Not many people are looking to help her succeed or rise in her career and she might also be a little limited in terms of range, yet her sheer determination, charisma and self-confident won't let her down! - that came through right away. She will fight as hard as she must to have a stable and successful career; there's no doubt in that. And once she finds some true allies, she'll be good. The friendships she's making are very, very important! So, either way, I think she will be doing her best in the future to continue doing well. Might not be the absolute biggest actress in the world, yet the projects she picks, the connections she makes and her ambition will assure that she's doing fine.

a lot of tarot readers also say that wonyoung cares deeply about her reputation/career, and that affects her views of relationships. you can also tell by the way she presents herself in public.

so i could see her only going for chaebols because they would be worth the risk (in many ways).

Definitely not 'definitely'! Potentially talking/going out doesn't mean dating-dating or that it ended up developing into something stronger. They probably were just hanging out, flirting, seeing where things could go (that's what I tried to convey there). Besides, it has been over 8 months or so since that reading, so either way they would've had more than enough time to break up (IF they were ever an actual couple at any point).

But to clarify the whole thing, let me pull some cards for where they stand: king of wands rx, the hanged man, queen of wands, three of cups rx

Still feel like they were talking back then, but I don't see that going anywhere. And at this point they're likely not even in contact. Wonyoung might still be a little interested, yet from his part, it's over. He doesn't care at all. The pursuit got boring.

don't personally do them and have strong feelings about the matter of boundaries and manipulation of energy + free will (as many people who get into spells these days and in these online communities aren't educated on anything and just do them because they want a certain outcome for themselves and that's a quick(er) way to get it, plus many times they also mess with things and people they shouldn't out of selfishness and ignorance, and that's not ok). some might be alright, though! not saying this is for all. and I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting to feel more confident, have a bit more luck with life, protecting yourself, cleanse, etc. those I have absolutely no issue with, obviously! also, if you're well educated on it and do it with absolute respect, mindfulness, wisdom and good intentions, I guess it's fine. so, what matters is that you aren't doing it for shits and giggles only and causing trouble for yourself and/or others - that's my main point.