Supporting woman's wrongs

Then they unbanned the person (after 4 months), and put them on probation. Said person was on thin ice. The back lash caused new evidence to come to light and the person was banned again.

I don't mean to sound harsh, but you grossly misrepresented the facts of the case. The way you phrased it made it sound like they knew what was going on. The didn't.

Why should a mod team distrust the individual? Is it due to their previous actions? Did the mod team have proof that their previous actions were "stirring up trouble" or were they mentioning valid concerns? Were these concerns minimised by the mod team?

Why does censoring information mean it is less viable, other than lack of correbation?

How did the mod team react? Was it professionally, considering they are an official server? Was it unprofessionally? Was it self-blame? Was it overly emotional?

Secondly, the reason it appears like I "grossly misrepresented the facts of the case" is because I'm not talking about one case. I'm speaking about the ~10 other times similar events (note: not this specific user, I'm glad they were re-banned, and consider that a good thing) was brought up, sometimes years ago. I've known at least 3 reports of pedophiles to the team, and this is the only one that's had a response at all.

I mention Hiwi specifically because they are an adult on the mod team who has a habit of mentioning kinks and rape-play to minors, and explicitly stated that people who are sexually assaulted "secretly wanted it". Red has not banned them because they are her childhood friend, which I believe, personally, is biased.

I mostly hope that, to be blunt, the people involved get help. It's steeped in cult-like behaviour, which is why I've been taking my time away from them.

To answer your questions first, the untrustworthy person in question has a habit of baiting in people in to doing things that could get them banned. The fact that the screen shots where censored mean that they could have been edited. The mods didn't trust this person due to their past actions. They did not provide proof, but a lot was going on at the time so I don't blame them for not being able to provide receipts.

Censored information isn't less viable perse, but it was the fact that the person who did the censoring was seen as untrustworthy that made it less viable. Also all the explicit images where censored, so they didn't know the severity of the situation.

They tried to respond to it professionally, but they kept being attacked for what happened before they had all the information and responses became emotional. Though once things cooled down they continued to answer questions for transparency and responses became professional again.

You see, from the way you phrased it, people who don't have knowledge of server history wouldn't interpret it that way. I was unaware of the other things that happened, so I took your words to mean that they were related to this case specifically. It was a misunderstanding, and I apologize. Could you provide a brief synopsis of the other events? I would like to know what has happened in the past should something like this happen again. You know, so I can identify a pattern and not rely so much on what other people know.

I was unaware of the situation regarding Hiwi. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. I'll look out for that in the future. Do you have specific examples or screen shots? I doubt doubt you, I just want a more detailed picture of what happened.

While you mentioned the screenshots were “heavily edited”, it's crucial to emphasize that the comments and content depicted in those screenshots were deeply concerning and inappropriate. Regardless of the intent or context, sending explicit material to minors, regardless of age, is unacceptable and violates Discord community standards. The only thing censored in the screenshots were the names of some of the people involved that preferred to be kept anonymous as well as one image that was completely NSFW. I felt uncomfortable dming Red with a picture of literal porn so I censored it. If they wanted the uncensored NSFW image I could have provided it. As for the names, I would’ve needed consent from all of the parties involved. They now have all of the uncensored screenshots. The decision to unban Crimson (The person who sent explicit material to several minors) and put them on “probation” without full verification of the screenshots contents may have inadvertently exposed minors to further risk. It's crucial that such decisions prioritize the safety of community members, especially vulnerable minors. People began to state that they were some of the minors who Crimson has sent inappropriate material to in the general chat upon seeing their presence and expressed their general distaste for it. A few of the people who came forward were muted after expressing themselves and were unable to participate in any further discussion. All of that could have been avoided if they investigated further or reached out. In Red's response to the situation she claimed that the minors were "Egging" Crimson on. I can't even begin to express how gross it is to imply that the minors were attempting to get Crimson to send the explicit material to them, especially after so many of them expressed their discomfort with the situation. Red also mentioned they should have reached out to the mod team personally instead of getting an adult to communicate the information to the mods as a third party. Again, if there was an issue with the legitimacy of the images provided I would've liked to talk about it before they made the decision to unban Crimson. Screenshot below.

I'd also like to point out that the attempt to excuse Crimson's actions based on her age and down playing it by saying "Not like, 34 or anything." Regardless of her age, an adult should not be sending sexually explicit material to a minor. It's also offensive to attempt to downplay the severity of the things Crimson had said as "talking about boobs" when Red had access to screenshots showing that she did much more than just that. In regards to my suddenly controversial presence, I still do not understand what I have done to make myself untrustworthy. I am most definitely not known for making people say things that will get them in trouble or banned, I usually just draw and post my art and do not interact with the Nevermore Discord beyond that unless it was in Patreon stream. I don’t understand where that accusation has come from as it's completely untrue. Multiple people could back me up on that. When a large group of people were banned from the Nevermore discord that I was associated with, I was not banned because I had no actions to verify that I was also doing anything offensive. I never participated in anything that could’ve been seen as toxic in the community. I was narrowly spared from being banned by association alone because I had several people say I was a good person. While the main issue at hand was the presence of an adult who had sent explicit material to minors in the discord server being reintroduced to the community it somehow turned into a large fight about me being an untrustworthy individual and a hypocrite. I cannot stress enough how unimportant Red’s opinion of me is in the face of a literal crime being committed. Sending explicit material to minors is ILLEGAL. Regardless of your age, regardless of circumstance. I frankly find it appalling that they decided that the evidence provided was insufficient just because they didn’t like that the source was me and thus decided that the images were doctored. If during Crimson’s appeal they had simply dmed me and asked for the personal testimony from the people involved I would’ve happily directed them to the affected parties. 

On top of being illegal, which is obviously worse, here are a list of the Discord TOS that Crimson violated through the screenshots alone.

Crimson attempted to normalize the relationship of a 16 year old and 22 year old OC to a minor (screenshot below)

The next two are self explanatory

Below I’ve posted an example of the “Heavily edited” screenshots. (Not all of them, just a few) As you can see the only thing that was censored are the names of the people involved. None of the content was edited. I’d also like to mention that this was not a side server, it was a group chat created by people in the Nevermore discord to speak to each other privately.

CW: Explicit sexual text. Please do not view these screenshots if you are under the age of 18 ↓

Then they unbanned the person (after 4 months), and put them on probation. Said person was on thin ice. The back lash caused new evidence to come to light and the person was banned again.

I don't mean to sound harsh, but you grossly misrepresented the facts of the case. The way you phrased it made it sound like they knew what was going on. The didn't.

Why should a mod team distrust the individual? Is it due to their previous actions? Did the mod team have proof that their previous actions were "stirring up trouble" or were they mentioning valid concerns? Were these concerns minimised by the mod team?

Why does censoring information mean it is less viable, other than lack of correbation?

How did the mod team react? Was it professionally, considering they are an official server? Was it unprofessionally? Was it self-blame? Was it overly emotional?

Secondly, the reason it appears like I "grossly misrepresented the facts of the case" is because I'm not talking about one case. I'm speaking about the ~10 other times similar events (note: not this specific user, I'm glad they were re-banned, and consider that a good thing) was brought up, sometimes years ago. I've known at least 3 reports of pedophiles to the team, and this is the only one that's had a response at all.

I mention Hiwi specifically because they are an adult on the mod team who has a habit of mentioning kinks and rape-play to minors, and explicitly stated that people who are sexually assaulted "secretly wanted it". Red has not banned them because they are her childhood friend, which I believe, personally, is biased.

I mostly hope that, to be blunt, the people involved get help. It's steeped in cult-like behaviour, which is why I've been taking my time away from them.

To answer your questions first, the untrustworthy person in question has a habit of baiting in people in to doing things that could get them banned. The fact that the screen shots where censored mean that they could have been edited. The mods didn't trust this person due to their past actions. They did not provide proof, but a lot was going on at the time so I don't blame them for not being able to provide receipts.

Censored information isn't less viable perse, but it was the fact that the person who did the censoring was seen as untrustworthy that made it less viable. Also all the explicit images where censored, so they didn't know the severity of the situation.

They tried to respond to it professionally, but they kept being attacked for what happened before they had all the information and responses became emotional. Though once things cooled down they continued to answer questions for transparency and responses became professional again.

You see, from the way you phrased it, people who don't have knowledge of server history wouldn't interpret it that way. I was unaware of the other things that happened, so I took your words to mean that they were related to this case specifically. It was a misunderstanding, and I apologize. Could you provide a brief synopsis of the other events? I would like to know what has happened in the past should something like this happen again. You know, so I can identify a pattern and not rely so much on what other people know.

I was unaware of the situation regarding Hiwi. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. I'll look out for that in the future. Do you have specific examples or screen shots? I doubt doubt you, I just want a more detailed picture of what happened.

While you mentioned the screenshots were “heavily edited”, it's crucial to emphasize that the comments and content depicted in those screenshots were deeply concerning and inappropriate. Regardless of the intent or context, sending explicit material to minors, regardless of age, is unacceptable and violates Discord community standards. The only thing censored in the screenshots were the names of some of the people involved that preferred to be kept anonymous as well as one image that was completely NSFW. I felt uncomfortable dming Red with a picture of literal porn so I censored it. If they wanted the uncensored NSFW image I could have provided it. As for the names, I would’ve needed consent from all of the parties involved. They now have all of the uncensored screenshots. The decision to unban Crimson (The person who sent explicit material to several minors) and put them on “probation” without full verification of the screenshots contents may have inadvertently exposed minors to further risk. It's crucial that such decisions prioritize the safety of community members, especially vulnerable minors. People began to state that they were some of the minors who Crimson has sent inappropriate material to in the general chat upon seeing their presence and expressed their general distaste for it. A few of the people who came forward were muted after expressing themselves and were unable to participate in any further discussion. All of that could have been avoided if they investigated further or reached out. In Red's response to the situation she claimed that the minors were "Egging" Crimson on. I can't even begin to express how gross it is to imply that the minors were attempting to get Crimson to send the explicit material to them, especially after so many of them expressed their discomfort with the situation. Red also mentioned they should have reached out to the mod team personally instead of getting an adult to communicate the information to the mods as a third party. Again, if there was an issue with the legitimacy of the images provided I would've liked to talk about it before they made the decision to unban Crimson. Screenshot below.

I'd also like to point out that the attempt to excuse Crimson's actions based on her age and down playing it by saying "Not like, 34 or anything." Regardless of her age, an adult should not be sending sexually explicit material to a minor. It's also offensive to attempt to downplay the severity of the things Crimson had said as "talking about boobs" when Red had access to screenshots showing that she did much more than just that. In regards to my suddenly controversial presence, I still do not understand what I have done to make myself untrustworthy. I am most definitely not known for making people say things that will get them in trouble or banned, I usually just draw and post my art and do not interact with the Nevermore Discord beyond that unless it was in Patreon stream. I don’t understand where that accusation has come from as it's completely untrue. Multiple people could back me up on that. When a large group of people were banned from the Nevermore discord that I was associated with, I was not banned because I had no actions to verify that I was also doing anything offensive. I never participated in anything that could’ve been seen as toxic in the community. I was narrowly spared from being banned by association alone because I had several people say I was a good person. While the main issue at hand was the presence of an adult who had sent explicit material to minors in the discord server being reintroduced to the community it somehow turned into a large fight about me being an untrustworthy individual and a hypocrite. I cannot stress enough how unimportant Red’s opinion of me is in the face of a literal crime being committed. Sending explicit material to minors is ILLEGAL. Regardless of your age, regardless of circumstance. I frankly find it appalling that they decided that the evidence provided was insufficient just because they didn’t like that the source was me and thus decided that the images were doctored. If during Crimson’s appeal they had simply dmed me and asked for the personal testimony from the people involved I would’ve happily directed them to the affected parties. 

On top of being illegal, which is obviously worse, here are a list of the Discord TOS that Crimson violated through the screenshots alone.

Crimson attempted to normalize the relationship of a 16 year old and 22 year old OC to a minor (screenshot below)

The next two are self explanatory

Below I’ve posted an example of the “Heavily edited” screenshots. (Not all of them, just a few) As you can see the only thing that was censored are the names of the people involved. None of the content was edited. I’d also like to mention that this was not a side server, it was a group chat created by people in the Nevermore discord to speak to each other privately.

CW: Explicit sexual text. Please do not view these screenshots if you are under the age of 18 ↓

i'm gonna be careful not to name any names here because I don't want to start a hate train and I'm looking at all of this as neutral as possible and also please please please don't think of this like a call-out post or anything, it's not! I still think you can be a fan of rnf and support their work, this is just why I'm chosing to take a break from doing so!

Content Warning below for mentions of explicit content being sent to minors ( by a server member, not RnF, THANK GOD )

Well anyways, to balance things off. Here's some lennabel angst for the yalls.