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hello all!

we’ve put together a google doc recently with links to posts, articles, and testimonies by buddhists, asians, and/or tibetans regarding tulpamancy language and the harm it causes to the marginalized groups directly affected.

you can check out the google doc below!

a few things to note:

if you would like us to add a link, please reach out to us with the link in question so we can add it to the list!

if you have made a post that’s been added to this list and would like to have it removed, get in touch and we will take it down asap.

Call me whatever names you wish, but I think this is a much better (and healthier) attitude than “anyone under 18 should never be allowed to see any sexual imagery ever”

(For reference: this was at the Tom of Finland exhibition, containing actual, queer, kinky af pornography. There were definitely some young people there, perhaps in their late teens. There was even a parent with their baby who was probably too young to understand anything at all. And guess what, all those people are probably going to be fine.)

Why are you Anti-Endo?

Our syscourse opinions very from alter to alter so just keep that in mind. We identify our collective as anti-endo for a few reasons.

We are a disordered system. EVEN IF endogenic plurality is possible it would be FUNDAMENTALLY different from disordered systemhood. The way it forms, the causes, the experience, the coping skills, it would all be different. Because of that disorders systems like us NEED our own spaces and terms that are STRICTLY MEDICAL.

Now I know this isn't ALL endos but a good portion of them and the empowered plural movement or whatever was looking to demedicalize systemhood. That is a downright STUPID FUCKING IDEA. We as a CDID system have programs running that we are trying to combat. If this shit was not medical you HAVE GOT to realize that you would be playing into the hands of some of the most HORRIFIC CHILD ABUSERS. If being a system was removed from the medical community RAMCOA, TBMC, and others of that ilk would run RAMPANT and no victims would be able to get the help that they desperately need. It's a stupid, and quite frankly an abusive, fucking thing to do.

White Western Tulpas. I don't even need to explain that do I?

A lot of misinformation is spread in the endo community and there are TONS of accounts of endos trying to coerce disordered systems into believing they are endogenic and don't have trauma. Again, that is stupid and abusive as fuck. Again again, I KNOW its not ALL endos.

Endogenics do NOT LISTEN! We ask them to leave our spaces because we need a space for our disorder. We're the bad guys. We ask them not to use our medical terms. We're the bad guys. We ask them not to spread misinfo. We're the bad guys. We ask them to provide the studies and research that they claim exists to back up their claims. It's a carrd or a screenshot of some discord conversation. They invade our community and the only damn way to get some peace and quiet in a disordered space is to be actively against their identity.

Personally, I just don't think somebody can have this kind of experience without childhood trauma but that's just me. Some of us do but a lot of us don't. With the science we have it's just not possible and until the facts change neither will my personal stance.

[Text: this system is anti-misinformation and endo apathetic]

https://endogenic-research.carrd.co/

Debunking Sysmed Claims (debunking-sysmeds.carrd.co)

First, you’re missing SEVERAL pages from the DSM that explain DID’s connection to trauma. It’s not in the criteria because you’re not supposed to remember, but if you’re going to use the criteria, use the REAL screenshots. It’s weird to me that you didn’t. Scummy. Also, in criteria B, the and/or traumatic memories doesn’t make it optional, it means you might or might not remember your trauma. Like, it’s right there, people.

Secondly, DID IS a trauma disorder. Trauma and stress related disorders is a new category based on short term, single traumatic events, in which the disorder can be clearly traced to the event. Dissociative disorders are placed next to those, but not a part of it, because it’s a category based on symptom grouping. Not because they’re not related– DID is a trauma disorder, categorized by its dissociative symptoms, so they moved the whole damn dissociative section to put it next to trauma and stress disorders. Dissociative disorders also don’t have a single traumatic event that symptoms can be traced to, so it doesn’t quite fit under trauma and stress disorders.

From the writers of the DSM.

In b4 hypothesized– we can see it now on MRI scans.

Thirdly, the guy who changed MPD to DID wasn’t NEARLY as involved as people make him out to be. He had no authority on removing it. The only changes he was able to add to the DSM were cautionary statements about overdiagnosis, which were removed, in their entirety, two years later and he was never asked back. No one likes him. Not even the DSM task force. It’s like everyone forgets he was only one man on a team of dozens working on that section. Stop bringing him up, he doesn’t matter, you’re twisting truths to make your point. Not cool.

Fourthly, most of the articles you link have been thoroughly debunked as unreliable, inaccurate, and/or unscientific. I actually spoke to the author of one of those articles and she doesn’t support endogenic systems OR the use of her article in these arguments. Her article was one of the very first to look at healthy multiplicity as opposed to fusion as a viable treatment option for DID/MPD systems, and you’re doing a huge disservice to everyone, and DID history, by claiming her article is about endogenic systems and including it in this.

Fifthly, we’re not upset about endos using the terms because we think they belong to us (or, at least, most of us, though there’s something to be said about the fact that system was used in the 1800’s by Janet to refer to dissociated parts of the self), it’s more… If you’re not trauma formed, why would you have alters with certain roles? Why would you need them? Most roles have a very clear relation to their reason for forming in relation to trauma.

Aside from that, let’s talk about IFS therapy. IFS shares many, MANY terms with DID. I like IFS, I think it’s a very useful type of therapy. It works for a lot of people, it’s good. It has, however, made it challenging to get treatment and diagnosis for DID/OSDD. Therapists are more likely to write us off into the more successful and easy to access IFS groups than to treat us for DID because the words we’re using are the same. We fear the same will happen with endogenic systems using these terms.

Lastly, let’s talk about the ToSD guys– yes, guyS, because there were three that wrote the ToSD book. The actions of one don’t override or negate the work of the other two. The whole theory isn’t debunked because one guy is an asshole. Also, you know who actually came up with the theory? Janet, in the 1800s, and many people after him worked on it. The three guys we talk about now took those theories and put it into a book. They didn’t actually come up with it, so this isn’t the gotcha people think it is.

Masterlist GO

format: source article(s) - debunk

On Allen Frances - [1] [2]

The TPA talks about the ToSD - debunked by an actual psychologist as completely bonkers

Kerry Dawkins on the ToSD - 

This article is linked five damn times (gotta bulk it up, right?) - [1]

DSM and Cultural Exclusion - [1] [2]

This entire tumblr post - My entire tumblr post

This article - 

I actually thought there was more in this, so… In general:

History of ToSD [1]

ISSTD - [1]

Samuel  Veissière, tulpa extraordinaire - [1]

Anti endo can mean I have trauma with endogenic plurals before

Anti endo can mean I read natural multiplicity history and their involvement with shaming CDD systems and I'm against them

Anti endo can mean I see endos talking over disordered systems about DID/OSDD and I don't want that to keep happening

Anti endo can mean I'm skeptical about endogenic plural's existence until there are solid scientific evidences about it, then I reconsider my stance

Anti endos just want endos to stfu about DID and stay in their lane

Anti endos just want endos to stop spreading misinformation and lies about DID and its history

Anti endos just want to interact with other DID systems, because endos can't be trusted not to say something insensitive and dumb

i can tell you this 10000% for certain

if one alter has tics, EVERY ALTER HAS TICS

its neurological, it affects the whole brain and body, which includes the entire system!

NOW-

some alters may have tics more severly than others, that’s fine but.

the bottom line is