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Let's start with one of the most baffling claims that I have come across -

This conclusion can only arise from a narrow engagement with Japanese media, specifically post-1980s shounen manga or tokusatsu TV shows. To equate the theatrical use of bright colors in Kabuki with modern shounen protagonists’ personalities is a fundamental misunderstanding of both cultural history and artistic tradition.

Kabuki theater, does feature characters adorned in exaggerated makeup and vibrant costumes. However, these visual elements are not tied to personality traits like “loudness” or “rebelliousness.” Instead, they serve as symbolic tools to convey roles, emotions, and social status within the rigid structure of Kabuki performances. The protagonist in Kabuki is often a figure of restraint, dignity, and moral complexity, qualities starkly opposed to the brash, impulsive archetype of modern shounen heroes. Importantly, all Kabuki characters heroes, villains, and supporting roles alike wear bright colors and stylized makeup. This is a theatrical convention, not a character trait.

They are part of a broader theatrical tradition that emphasizes visual storytelling and emotional expression. Meanwhile, the loud, brash shounen hero is a modern invention designed to resonate with younger audiences, not a reflection of Japan’s historical ideals.

"The Ideal Japanese Hero"

The term “ideal Japanese hero” is overly broad and ahistorical. It ignores the evolution of Japanese storytelling across genres and eras. The traits commonly associated with modern shounen protagonists : short tempers, hyperactiveness , or “punkish” behavior are relatively recent developments, emerging in the late 20th century to appeal to adolescent demographics. These characteristics are often criticized within Japan as immature or simplistic, reflecting a deliberate marketing strategy rather than a cultural ideal.

In contrast, seinen and gekiga feature protagonists who embody a far more nuanced conception of masculinity. Characters like Manji from Blade of the Immortal , Musashi from Vagabond, or Thorfinn from Vinland Saga are introspective, morally conflicted, and driven by existential struggles. These figures align more closely with the Byronic hero, a brooding complex antihero than with the loud, hyperactive protagonists of shounen.

Sasuke : Revenge and Restoring Honour

The themes of revenge and the restoration of honor are deeply embedded in classical Japanese literature, so much so that there is an entire genre dedicated to it: Jitsuroku. These stories, often based on historical events, revolve around the pursuit of justice and the restoration of one’s honor through acts of vengeance. The most iconic example of this genre is the tale of the Forty-Seven Ronin, a story that has become a cornerstone of Japanese cultural heritage. It tells the story of a group of samurai who avenge their lord’s death after he is wrongfully framed and forced to commit ritual suicide by a political rival. The themes of loyalty, filial piety, and the moral imperative to restore honor are central to this narrative, and it has inspired countless similar stories throughout Japanese history.

The archetype of the wronged hero seeking vengeance is a recurring motif in Japanese literature. These stories often follow a similar structure: a protagonist is wronged due to political machinations or personal betrayal, resulting in dishonor and often death. The hero then embarks on a quest to avenge the injustice, driven by a sense of duty, loyalty, or filial piety.

One such example is Tales of Jiraiya, a classic Japanese folktale that served as one of the many inspirations for Naruto. In this story, the protagonist, Jiraiya, is a noble warrior who faces betrayal and must navigate a world of political intrigue and personal vendettas.

Sasuke is a textbook example of this archetype. His quest to avenge his family and restore their honor drives much of his character arc, making him a quintessential example of the classical Japanese male protagonist.

Despite being a deuteragonist, Sasuke’s role in Naruto is so compelling that he often challenges Naruto’s position as the protagonist, both within the narrative and in terms of audience reception. During the run of Naruto in Weekly Shounen Jump, Sasuke consistently ranked highly in popularity polls, and even surpassing Naruto to take the #1 position at least once. His character and story arc resonated deeply with Japanese audiences because they embodied the characteristics of a classical Japanese hero: stoic, driven, and principled.

Naruto, while a beloved protagonist, is often critiqued for his naivety and near-childish idealism. His unwavering belief in forgiveness and unity, contrasts with Sasuke’s capacity for ideological introspection. Sasuke makes for a more mature and nuanced counterpart to Naruto, appealing to audiences who appreciate the gravitas of a traditional tragic hero.

Some blogs and fans insist on framing Sasuke as a “heroine,” citing a comment from an anime director ( from early part 1, referencing Naruto wanting to save Sasuke from Orochimaru) who said that Sasuke is the “true heroine” because Naruto “chases” and wants to “rescue” him. This interpretation reduces their relationship to a rather shallow dynamic of pursuer and pursued, ignoring the larger narrative in the relationship( especially considering Sasuke never actually required physical saving despite Naruto’s concerns)

However, you can also easily and equally claim that Naruto fulfills the narrative role traditionally assigned to female love interests in East Asian stories – the emotional crutch that enables the lone ranger’s emotional salvation.

Sasuke embodies that quintessential archetype : Defined by self-imposed isolation, governed by ruthless independence and consumed by a quest for vengeance.

Naruto, meanwhile, assumes the role of the redemptive force, responsible for his emotional healing. His narrative purpose is mirrored across many East Asian romances:

-In Tale of Genji, Murasaki becomes Genji’s emotional compass, she counters his political ruthlessness, while refusing to abandon him.

-In Peony Pavilion, Dun Liniang’s love redeems the scholar Liu Mengmei and her devotion awakens him from his isolation.

-In The White Snake legend, Bai Suzhen’s love humanizes the ascetic Xu Xian, her devotion breaks his monastic detachment.

There are many more examples, but the pattern is clear. In the story itself, Naruto is contrasted to Sakura - the female character who is canonically in love with Sasuke and is expected to take the role of being Sasuke's emotional anchor- laments that she can't influence him through her love, and that role is given to Naruto instead.

In Chinese fan discussions, many have noted how Naruto – as the male protagonist – occupies the role of being Sasuke’s salvation, a narrative position traditionally reserved for female love interests.

Which second male lead tells the male lead, ‘You’re my salvation’ ?!

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Naruto’s unwavering devotion to Sasuke frequently becomes a target of mockery, particularly among male fans who identify with him. As I've previously analyzed, this discomfort stems from seeing their self-insert character deviate from traditional masculine ideals by assuming what they perceive as a ‘feminine’ role – the emotional pursuer in the relationship. This cognitive dissonance manifests in two ways: either through hatred toward Sasuke for ‘making Naruto appear gay,’ or insisting that Sasuke should have been female to preserve conventional gender dynamics and avoid perceived emasculation.

Just to be clear, emotional nurturance isn’t gendered, but storytelling traditions have historically framed it that way. I’m not arguing that Naruto should be viewed as Sasuke’s ‘heroine’ instead of the reverse. The more compelling point is how the Naruto-Sasuke relationship also subverts the expectations of a the masculine archetype, and making Naruto an atypical Shounen protagonist.

I do remember JP fans discussing Naruto’s behaviour towards Sasuke and complaining that the way Kishimoto writes him resembles the writing of Shoujo authors.

> It was funny how all the supposedly ‘typical attributes of female manga artists’ perfectly matched Kishimoto’s depictions when someone listed them.

>>Kishimoto is great in a sense, for proving that depiction habits are not gender specific

It's amusing when people cite Japanese fans calling Sasuke “heroine” as proof he supposedly occupies a feminine role. In Japan, “heroine” typically just means the protagonist’s love interest – usually female, yes, but not inherently about performing femininity in the story.

On a related note, the label of "heroine" is a point of contention among the Western fans of Sakura. In Japan, Hinata is referred to as the heroine, including Kishimoto himself, because Naruto ultimately marries her. However, some fans believe that since Sakura is the main female character she should therefore be considered the heroine instead. They also fail to understand that the term "heroine" simply refers to the love interest of the male protagonist, rather than anything else.

Take this Japanese comment on a Final Fantasy VII clip, calling Sephiroth the “heroine.”

Nobody seriously argues Sephiroth plays a feminine role, even though Cloud obsesses over him (antagonistically), once idolized him, admires his looks, and Sephiroth’s beauty keeps getting emphasized. Clearly, it’s just a tongue-in-cheek remark about their homoerotic tension.

The same applies to Sasuke. A lot of these “heroine” comments are playful nods to his narrative function as Naruto’s emotional focus, not some statement about gender roles in the story.

The claim that Sasuke’s status as a bishounen (beautiful, graceful male) makes him the “feminine counterpart” to Naruto’s “masculine” Yang energy is a misapplication of the Yin-Yang analogy. In Naruto, the Yin-Yang dichotomy is explicitly tied to thematic contrasts of darkness/hatred (Yin) and light/love(Yang), not to gendered traits or appearances. Reducing this philosophical framework to superficial characteristics ignores both the manga’s intent and the cultural context.

Kishimoto employs Yin-Yang symbolism to explore moral dualities:

Sasuke as Yin : Associated with darkness, vengeance, and isolation due to his role as an antagonist, not his appearance. .

Naruto as Yang : Embodies light, hope, and connection as the protagonist who seeks to unify the shinobi world, not his brashness.

This contrast is ideological, not aesthetic.

In Taoist philosophy, Yin and Yang are interdependent forces that create balance. Kishimoto uses this duality to frame their narrative roles and never extends the Yin-Yang analogy to their looks or behavior, this is a fan-imposed interpretation.

People who label Sasuke’s beauty, or reserve as “feminine” misunderstand Japanese cultural ideals. In Japan:

-Bishounen aesthetics (youthful beauty, androgyny) are celebrated as markers of sublime masculinity, not femininity. Historical figures like samurai and nobles prized elegance and refinement.

- Stoicism and introspection are hallmarks of classical heroes

You can also easily reverse their assigned roles: Sasuke’s demeanor and strategic ruthlessness , and qualities that drive him to dismantle the Shinobi system are inherently Yang traits: active, decisive, and transformative. Conversely, Naruto’s compassion and loyalty to the village reflect Yin qualities: nurturing, passive, and preservative.

Sasuke and Naruto’s outwards characterization is not unique anyways . Iconic rivalries like Rukawa and Sakuragi (Slam Dunk, another inspiration for Naruto) follow a similar pattern:

- Rukawa : Aloof, refined, popular (akin to Sasuke).

- Sakuragi : Loud, brash, and comedic (akin to Naruto).

These contrasts are narrative tools. Mapping them to Yin-Yang binaries ignores their purpose as simple character foils.

Sasuke's Desirability and Beauty

One of the most persistent and misguided arguments used to frame Sasuke as a “heroine” hinges on his desirability and physical beauty. They claim that because Sasuke is desired by multiple characters and his appearance is frequently emphasized, he must occupy a traditionally “feminine” role akin to a female love interest. This interpretation reflects a profound ignorance of Japanese literary and cultural traditions that celebrate male beauty as a marker of masculine excellence.

Japanese literature has long exalted male beauty, associating it with nobility, power, and otherworldly perfection. The seminal Tale of Genji, centers on Hikaru Genji, a protagonist whose beauty is described as transcendent:

“His appearance tempted men and women alike, as he had smooth white skin and an excellent fashion sense, which increased his fame and popularity.”

Genji’s allure is central to his character, yet it never undermines his masculinity. Instead, his beauty amplifies his status as an aristocratic ideal - charismatic, politically astute, and socially dominant.

It brings me to the next topic:

Bishounen

The term bishounen (美少年, “beautiful youth”) is frequently misrepresented in Western discourse as synonymous with effeminacy. In contemporary usage, bishounen is a fluid aesthetic category that transcends genre and sexuality:

- In shoujo manga: Bishounen are romantic leads

- In shounen/seinen manga: They appear as rivals antagonists , or sometimes even as the protagonists

- In Boys’ Love (BL): While often the central cast, their appeal lies in narrative dynamics, not inherent femininity.

“Comics for younger boys tend to use arrogant bishōnen in the role of the recurring minor rivals readers love to hate, though their effeminate good looks there, they will often appear older... stronger, and thus in fact more masculine than the commonly shorter and less mature protagonists. ”

-Manga: The Complete Guide, Del Rey

Critically, bishounen aesthetics prioritize androgyny - not gender ambiguity. These characters are unmistakably male, blending refined features with traditionally masculine traits (e.g., ambition, combat prowess).

To equate Sasuke’s beauty or desirability with femininity is to impose Western gender binaries onto a narrative rooted in Japanese aesthetics. In Japan, male beauty has never been antithetical to masculinity - it enhances it.

I came across this post and the claims here are completely eregrious

" saying Sasuke is meant to be a typical Japanese ideal of masculinity....... wearing lipstick crazy "

The argument that Sasuke can’t embody Japanese masculinity because Kishimoto drew him wearing lipstick in one illustration is absurd. The image in question depicts Sasuke in theatrical stage makeup, a stylistic choice for a cover art that portrays him as a Kabuki actor. Also, Sasuke’s single illustrated portrayal as a actor does not negate his role as a classical Japanese hero.

"call Sasuke the Japanese ideal of masculinity... funny... meant to be bishounen"

The assertion that Sasuke’s bishounen design disqualifies him as a masculine ideal is complete ignorance. As I have already written before, In Japan:

- Bishounen aesthetics celebrate androgynous beauty as a form of sublime masculinity.

- Historical samurai and nobles prized youthful, refined appearances as markers of nobility and power.

- Modern male idols, actors, and singers cultivate androgynous looks without compromising their perceived masculinity.

The claim that bishounen implies homosexuality or femininity is also not true. In contemporary usage in Japan, Bishounen is a neutral aesthetic term. Sasuke being the conventionally attractive man embodying classical Japanese traits is quite literally the appeal of Sasuke/Sakura. I am not sure why they would be against it.

Masculinity encompasses a spectrum, from Naruto’s boisterousness to Sasuke’s stoicism. Grace, restraint, and beauty are hallmarks of the classical hero, not markers of femininity. To view Sasuke as the “feminine” counterpart is to erase the diversity of Japanese masculinity.

On an end note, I am active in a lot of Chinese fan spaces and the contrast between Sasuke's perception there ( or East Asia in general) with the Anglosphere/Latin America's view of him is rather striking-

Sasuke is seriously has such masculine charm —if I were a woman, I’d totally wanna marry him!