Sorry for the silence. This has been a devastating week for us. Not only losing our beloved Quinn - again - but also realizing that this hobby we've dedicated so much time and energy to this past year was just a big waste of time. I'm so angry at the writers that my immediate reaction was to move on as soon as possible and not give them another ounce of my time. I deleted my blogs and social media accounts except Twitter. I haven't been on Tumblr since, mostly because seeing images of Quinn brings me to tears.Â
I know some of you are angry at us at WTH -- and at me, in particular -- and I don't blame you. As you know, I like to think about stories and how they're structured. I think my mistake in this case was to assume the rules of storytelling apply to TV shows when there are so many cooks in the kitchen. Obviously all those other factors that we refused to talk about on the blog -- BTS drama, network politics, disagreements in the writers' room, etc. etc. -- because they were so "unknowable" were actually much more important than the story itself. So if you're wondering why we are not answering questions on the blog it is because we don't have answers. We can't explain torturing Quinn with no respite, bringing him back after a fake death only to torture him some more in S6 and then killing him without fanfare. To me, it looks like fan baiting and going for shock-value over story.Â
I spent a year and half defending Gansa and his story choices. Clearly I gave him too much credit. I won't do it any longer. We were grateful for the Facebook Q&A and the interviews that Rupert has done since because clearly he was as dissatisfied with what they did to Quinn as we were. It made us feel better, as I'm sure it did all of you. In any case, I just wanted to come by and say goodbye and apologize for acting so authoritative and snarky. We were really just trying to have fun and keep the blog light and let our personalities show (we are a snarky bunch). I guess we chose the wrong show for that LOL. I'm still semi-active on Twitter @sensemisapplied if you want to come by and chat.Â
Take care everyone,Â
 Vivian (speaking for the entire WTH team)
(youâll also find the rest of us on Twitter @heartthrobbiest, @ellietonkinn, @elviiraros, @crux65, @CPQA_Unofficial, @niloofar_s)
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Sheba, an active member on our WTH forum, has put together a comprehensive, damn near perfect list in defense of Season Sex on the Quarrie Sex thread - yes, we have a whole thread dedicated to Quarrie Sex with close to 3500 views at the moment - and gave us permission to post it on our blog. We couldnât have summed it up better ourselves! Thank you, Sheba!
Pros (Yes, it's totally happening!):
No one else has gotten sexy time yet this season (except for Quinn, briefly, in episode 1). It's Showtime--someone has to this season! My bets are on Quarrie.
It's time. We've had enough hints, enough establishing of a relationship, enough of prolonging the inevitable, enough of the attempts at dating other people (and being jealous). We need to see them show us their love more explicitly now.
I'm assuming they're still going to address "the letter," and how could something not happen after addressing that figment of beauty?
The opening credits end with the "Why?" scene, showing Quarrie in an embrace. Their arc is important this season, and we're going to see them bond more than ever.
The first scene of episode 6 shows Carrie en route to visit Quinn at the VA. We learn that she visits him daily. We are being told that he is a priority in her life. He must know this!
In the "let ME go" scene, you can see that Carrie is not backing down, and she never does in this episode. She even tracks him down at the crack house. He needs to see that this is out of love, not guilt/duty.
Remember that lol moment when Otto showed up in episode 1? His whole purpose was to say, "If it's not me...then let it be someone else" and then CUT to Quinn. *Foreshadowing* y'all!
You can see through her tears, her choking up, her gestures, and her facial expressions during the "Why?" scene that Carrie loves Quinn. She said it all without using words--which is how Quarrie often communicate very beautifully.
The hug/nightquare scene reestablished their sexual tension, and it is a tease for that tension to be revisited fully in a later episode.
Carrie has only smiled a few times this season, and she smiles whenever she's looking at/talking about Franny and/or Quinn. She, like Franny, adores Quinn. Soon, he has to see what she sees!
Carrie makes no hesitation in jumping on top of Quinn to save him in episode 5, and she has defended his actions to everyone. I doubt she'll question him or turn him away if he seeks her comfort again this season.Â
Quinn loves and trusts Carrie more than anyone. That's why he wanted to watch the sarin video with her. A bit of a stretch, but it may also be why the writers didn't show Quinn reciprocate Astrid's love declaration. We have to see Quarrie move past their communication issues and reach some type of climax (pun intended!).
Cons (No, it's totally not happening!):
Quinn is not ready for sex because of his current condition, and Carrie knows this.Â
COUNTERARGUMENT: I think they showed Quinn getting some type of action in episode 1 for a reason. He is capable of and ready for many things in season 6 (especially in episode 9), so I doubt sex will be an issue. A point of lol, but the one pill bottle that we see Quinn looking at in episode 8 is Bupropion, one of the few anti-depressants on the market that does NOT cause sexual dysfunction.
Carrie rejected Quinn after the hug/nightquare scene. She's not interested (anymore)!
COUNTERARGUMENT: Carrie didn't feel that sex was appropriate at that place and time. She was in the process of trying to get Franny ready for school. Plus, Quinn was clearly shaken and she might have been taking advantage of him if she had not resisted. Shallow, I know, but Quinn hadn't showered. He also wasn't being himself--he wouldn't have gone straight for second base like that in S2-S5. Homeland is leading us carefully to the season sex scene we deserve.
Carrie only wants to become intimate with Quinn 1.0.Â
COUNTERARGUMENT: Carrie did say in episode 1 that he had to keep trying, because just when you feel like you can't go any further, that's when breakthroughs can happen. Was it moto shit, or could Quinn really have a breakthrough this season? Also, regardless if he doesn't have a breakthrough, he still seems better in episode 9 than he has been for a while. He also seems much better in those quieter scenes--such as in the "Why?" scene, the scenes where he's playing with Franny, and in the final scene with Astrid. I think Carrie will see the person she loves in Quinn when she sees him next!
There is just nothing that indicates Carrie is sexually attracted to Quinn these days.
COUNTERARGUMENT: Well, she certainly hasn't seen him in the best shape this season. But, she wasn't exactly dropping major hints that she had the hots for him in season 4, when she was arguing with him all the time, and they ended up kissing by the finale! What makes Quarrie great is their sexual TENSION. I personally see sparks, even when they're fighting. If they were super nice to each other throughout season 6, they just wouldn't be the Quarrie we know and love. We might not be anticipating for them to reunite, reconcile, and consummate this relationship as much. They're trying to sustain our interest throughout the season! Â
Carrie loves Quinn, but she's not IN LOVE with him.Â
COUNTERARGUMENT: Even though she hasn't said the words, her facial expressions, desire to save and defend him at every turn, putting her relationship on a similar level of intensity as her relationship with Brody--all of this conveys to me that she loves him in every sense of the word. We knew Quinn loved Carrie before we heard the letter, too. We definitely get the hint, but thanks for the receipts anyway!
Quinn is going to doubt Carrie's love for him because of Dar's statement that Carrie only cares for him out of guilt.Â
COUNTERARGUMENT: I think (hope!) Quinn knows better than to trust Dar at this point, even though Dar knows that Quinn feels insecure about the idea that he can be loved (as does Carrie--remember that random road trip to Missouri?). But, Quinn received affirmation from Astrid that he can be loved, and he might receive a similar "more than that..." statement from Carrie.
But Carrie DID save Quinn out of guilt.Â
COUNTERARGUMENT: Sorry, but nope. I'm not saying that she didn't feel any guilt at all, but there is a reason that we were hearing the love letter in the background as Carrie looked at the light shining on his face in the S5 finale. None of this conveyed perplexity about feeling guilty. It was all about love. Carrie was willing to let Brody and even Saul die, but it's different with Quinn. She cannot lose him. It's not that she can't lose him because she would feel too guilty if he died. She can't lose him because she loves this person deeply.
But Claire Danes said--
COUNTERARGUMENT: Nope. I know that interrupting is completely rude, but I'm going to stop you there. You think she is going to spoil the plot for you? Do you know if she had even read all of the season 6 episode scripts at the time they were filming that interview? These interviews are not canon. They're just PR, OPINIONS of the cast, and they should sometimes be taken with a grain of salt. F. Murray Abraham told Kelly Ripa a funny "spoiler" that Dar and Carrie were going to get married in S6. Also, if you take Claire Danes' words as Bible, she also said on Ellen that her primary wish for Carrie was to see her happy and in domestic bliss one day. Quinn should be in this pretty picture, no?
Carrie can't sleep with Quinn if she wants him to live! Everyone she sleeps with ends up DEAD. She's a black widow!
COUNTERARGUMENT: Too bad that black widow charm didn't work on our dear Jonas, who we assume is still walking around Berlin. Also, I'll let you in on a little secret: Quinn's plot armor protects him against Carrie's black widow lady parts. He will live, folks!
Quarrie's relationship isn't about sex. Carrie even told the therapist in episode 9 that their relationship is not intense in a physical way.
COUNTERARGUMENT: Well, regarding episode 9 specifically, she probably wouldn't have gotten that okay to visit her daughter if she hadn't made it clear that she wasn't putting a sexual relationship over her daughter's safety by bringing Quinn into her home. Also, I took that line as a hint that their relationship isn't physical YET. She's clearly stating a fact here, but relationships can change over time! And, of course, their relationship goes way beyond sex. It's a deep, lasting love that transcends physical attraction. But can't we have our cake and eat it, too, just once? Carrie spent a lot of time in that chapel in S5, but she didn't turn into a nun.
Quinn is too intense for Carrie. They won't have sex because they're probably priming her pairing with a normal like Reda, Otto, Nate, or Max.
COUNTERARGUMENT: Well, Carrie's foray into normalism with Jonas certainly didn't work out too well in the end, right? If Carrie were going to be paired with Reda, Otto, or Max, then there would have been more obvious sexual tension by now, or she would have already slept with them. She wouldn't have told Otto "IT'S NOT" if there were any chance for him whatsoever. I think Carrie prefers someone who is better at tracing calls (Quinn!) than Nate. Also, Carrie likes intensity sometimes, and Quinn likes normalcy sometimes, so it's not like they're cookie-cutter characters. Bottom line is that we're too close to the finish line for a new endgame love interest. Quinn was introduced in season 2, leaving plenty of time to develop the relationship, and it would not be good storytelling to pair her with a random or an old friend she was never sexually attracted to in the end.
There is simply no time for it.Â
COUNTERARGUMENT: It really doesn't require that much screen time, and they don't have to show everything (unfortunately). Homeland sex scenes are usually not long or drawn-out (not that we wouldn't mind, for Quarrie!). Also, the show can't be constant action for the last three episodes. Moments of action are often balanced by moments of quiet. Maybe they'll balance Saul or Dar-oriented action sequences with Quarrie intimacy, or the Quarrie intimacy scenes will take place in a brief period after they've completed part of a mission.
They're going to postpone Quarrie as long as possible, and there are at least two seasons left in the series.Â
COUNTERARGUMENT: Maybe, but that doesn't mean intimacy is off the table this season. We had a kiss in S4, a written declaration of love in S5, and now it is time to take it to the next level in S6. Intimacy in S6 doesn't mean they're getting married and buying a house in the Hamptons by the S6 finale. There can and will be more drama in store for these two.
This Dar stuff...complicates things.
COUNTERARGUMENT: Does it really, though--at least, on the Quarrie front? If Quinn's backstory is revealed in detail to Carrie, then Carrie will officially know all (well, most) of his shit, and he'll know hers. If she rejected him because she thought all of this was too much for her, or because she felt pity rather than love for him, then she wouldn't be the compassionate heroine we know. She often sees the good and lovable in the worst or saddest of people. Quinn, much like Carrie, is searching for someone to love and love him in return, without exploitation, as he has admitted in many ways that he cannot/does not want to be alone. It will be beautiful to see how Carrie and Quinn find true, lasting love and meaningful intimacy after all of their respective self-doubting. If anything, the Dar backstory provides more motivation, rather than deterrence, for Quarrie to share a loving, intimate moment this season. Thank you to sunshine (from the forum)Â for contributing this con and counterargument!
Are you gals aware that 3 NEW promo stills were released yesterday (or the day before) for 6.11? These are in addition to the ones released a couple weeks ago. A new one each of Quinn, Carrie, and Max.
Yes, we have seen them, but since they donât seem to be official Showtime releases, we wonât be posting them on the blog. We are spoiler-free at the moment, and consider anything other than official promo material spoilers. Â Anyone interested should visit the 6x11 spoiler thread on our forum. You can see them there.Â
Ive never been a fan of romance before this show. Im still really not but I think its because I can't find anything similar to this type of drawn out serious yet never really actually happened yet type of love story. Maybe I just like the painful romantic stories. Has anyone found anything like this before? A good romance thriller novel? I need more but I can't seem to find anything.
Hey Anon! I canât think of anything similar to Quarrie... but Iâm kind of like you, I donât go seeking out romance stories, though I obviously enjoy them when I stumble upon a good one ;).
You may want to visit the âOff-topicâ section of the WTH Forum. There are threads where members discuss other shows/stories theyâve enjoyed. In particular, check out the âMembers Loungeâ and âOther TV Showsâ threads. If you post your question there, you might get some good ideas.
I'm lost, did all of you interpret the lake scene as implying sexual abuse BY Dar himself, or was it "just" confirmed that he pimped him out to "dirty old man/men"? I mean we basically already knew the latter...I also interpreted it in that way and when Dar says "..I never forced myself on anyone.." felt almost like an apology, as in, but I'm not that bad. I didn't even think that there's another way to interpret it. Thanks for clarification...
Hi Anon, we talked about the scene among the WTH bloggers, and even if there are slight differences in how we interpret the details, we definitely agree on the purpose of the scene. Read more here. We have closed this topic on the blog, but please visit our forum to talk about it with us as well as other fans.
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Not to be demanding, but I almost feel that we need two WTH forum discussion threads for each episode: one for venting/sobbing and another for laughing/optimism.
But then how would we cheer up the sobbing, panicking section of the fandom?
I have two questions. 1) Why was Saul called to come back to US? They couldn't deal with the attack without him? I didn't get that. 2) I'd like to read some Quinn/Franny fanfics based on their S6 interactions, but something realistic not AU, that could be a future or current events, Carrie can be part of them too. Can you recommend some? Thank you.
Hi Anon, Saul works for the CIA, and although his current job title hasnât been mentioned, he is obviously pretty high up since he has been briefing PEOTUS. If something as serious as a terrorist attack happens on US soil, of course he is needed, itâs his job.Â
We donât read much fan fic, (although our member @crux65 is a brilliant fic writer herself), so Iâm afraid we are not much help to you in that department. But there is a fanfic thread on our forum, Iâm sure people are more than willing to rec their faves.
