#woaaaah

WHAT

aww thanku for the compliment

HOLD ON A MINUTE THOUGH. (cracks knuckles)

WHATTTT I AM SO GAD I AHVENT SEEN THIS THOERY BECUA E WHAT DO YOU MEAAAN WHAT DO YOU EMAN THEYRE ALL RAPOST!?!?!?!?!

OK wait let me chill Out for a sec and think abt thsi. Saur My brainneeds to section things so I'll just make a list ok

GANG SA? i,m assumign theyre going with the SA thing bcs she *was a deer* and they all remembered chasing one...? THO idk how that transglates into her being SA'd 🗿💔💔 i guess to each their own interpreatation.............Personally i think its so easy to get wrapped up in these weird ahh headcanons if u don't rlly gaf about the classical contextt behidn the story...? Let me begin with the deer: UNRELATED TO BACCHUS -> Deer are sacred to Artemis and as we all know she is aka the huntress. Deer, hunt.......Deer, huntress.....possible allusion to the Goddess? PERHAPS. U kno...I have a crazy theory abt purrhaps this being a sign that they were led to 'hunt' the farmer. That's crazy. Anyway. RELATED TO BACCHUS -> sauuurrr wild animals lowkey depict wilderness and dreedom and ecstasy for Bacchus and his folowers. The deer is not Dionysus' animal tho 💔 at least not from what i rember like its a panther or a tiger lowkey. HOWWWWWEVER DEER SKIN IS RELATED TO HIS FOLLOWERS!!!!!!!!!! DO YOU KNOW ABOUT "NEBRIS"? It meansa deer/fawn skin! And Bacchus' female followrs the maeneads use to wear this during the rituals! Also Bacchic rituals dont even sacrific deer 😭😭 they sacrifc liek goats i thin. It was eihter goats or rams but not deer. Also SA is literally never a part of Bacchic myths ew. Prersonally im my opinoin Donna used this imagery for classical reasons and not to depict fucking gan g rape. Bruh. Within a Bacchic fraework this probs js means she felt wild and animalistic in the ritual. ORRR LICHERALLY that she simply entered a trance-like state?? There is no textual or even contectual evidence that she was SAd.

CONSENSUAL INCEsT? The incest was consensual and i belueve this strongly. i think poeple just put it all on charles because he is eazy to overlook and hate bcs of his abuse at the end but i d dont think thats a fair analyss of anythng......Look. Incesy themes are cosndiered gothic or whatevr and Donna Tartt mother of literature wrote evrything very precisely. WHy I dont believe the incest wasone sided is because Donna shows us a balance nd equalty b/w the sibs. - POWER IMBALANCE? Firsty they are literally twins so u take that age gap power imbalance away ok - CAMILLAS AGENCY? Secondy Ccamillas masculinity puts her on a somewhat equal footing WHEN IT COMES TO CHARLES (to Charles! Other men obv wouldnt see it this way) i wih i coudl explain it better but they are mirror images of one other.... Camillas masculinty is subtle and also a counterpoint to the vulnerable femininity people try to project onto her..She actualy isnt portrayed as meek or helpless by Donna EVEN in Richads's observation! She's emotionally controlled and calculated, ESPCIALLYYYYYY compared to her fuckass brother who goes off the deep end at evey little thgn. Camilla is not someone who doesn’t know how to say NO. She's not someon who bends over backwards to please ANY man around her please gie let her have some agency .... nd we also kno Camilla is more capable of cold and brutal decisions when it comes down 2 it….I am not saying this makes it impssible for her to be a victim to him OFC but I just dont see her as having 0 say in what she and Charles do…….. - DONNA TARTT'S DEPICTION OF MORAL COLLAPSE Literally its just to show moral collpase. LMFAO. Donna wanted to shwo moral collapse and consensual incest is RIGHT UP THERE with MURDER! - NARRATUVE SILENCE IS FOR AMBIGUITYYYYY....NAWWTTT VICTIMHOOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!! ALOT of pople say ohhh we didnt hear Camilla say shit she was such a victim. WHAT. Miss Donna's entire NOVEL is abotu ambiguity girlfriend we actually dont hear a lot of them say anything except Miss Richard! And she's a liar! - Black and white Charles? many let Charles’s eventual abusiveness color their entire view of the relationship, instead of recognizing that his behaviour at the end is not the behavior he has normally BUT a literal breakdown in response to losing emotional access to her. Sheleaves his ass when he starts drinking anf this drinking makes him abusiev!!! HE LITERALLY BECAME AN ALCHOLOHIC AND YALL TALKNBG ABT "HE WAS ALWAYS LIKE THSI" LIKE WHaT????? - Projection of disgust obvi incest is fucking yuck because it is disturbing but disturbing doesnt mean nonconsensual. Morally wrong? Yes, but that doesnt automatically imply abuse.

Julian/Bnuy OH OH IVE SEEN THE JULIAN ONE! IDK WHAT IT MEANS. WHAT DID BRO DO (sorry nothing to addhere from my prepsective bcs i literally dont know what could have happened???) Maybe he asked her to read that poem once and she lowk has social anxity so he basically did a war crime (I am srs abt this tho profs who make u read shit out loud when they know u dont feel the vibe shoud be publicy executed kys) DONT EVEN GET ME FUCKING STARTED ON BUNNY??? TF HE DO??? Yes he sees two consenting adutls doing incest and freaks out and clams up abt it until they commit a fucking murde r bcs he couldnt snitch on them b4 bcs like it would mess up their whole group and honestly what tf would u do if u discovered two ppl in ur friend grp were investig...? LOL/ LEAVE HIM ALONE HE GETS ENOUGH SHIT AS IT IS

ARE YOU SEXIST MISOGYNIST EVIL BATSARD Im glad u aseked. Answer is:

No

and llike, dont worry gurl, I been called that once too for uhh...for analyzing bnnuy's relaitosnhip with marion..........anything gets u titled anything over here its fine.

I have acutally been meaning to discuss the issue with Camilla and Charles' depiction in this fandom but I was lowkey scared so....thanku for this ask anon! I get your frustration!

Ur totally right that some takes reduce Camilla to a passive object and Charles to a 1 dimensional predator. In a literary space these r lowkey ahistorical (bcs they dont take gothic + classical tropes into consid), anti-literary (they assume everything is a modern social allegory), and Im ngl theyre often condescending toward Camilla, who I admit is literally one of the most emotionally intelligent characters in the book

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Like...this is how I imagine you listening to your classical music cause that's how I listen to my music

Cr approved post my dude!!