#team orders

As much as people give shit to ferrari for strategy and dumb team orders, isn't it a bit weird that Charles just blindly follows it. Like one of the traits of the brocedes, Max and Seb in Rb (and even ferrari) was that they would go against orders if it costed them.

Also lecfosi's gave shit to Sainz for ignoring team orders but why would you want to cost yourself a win especially for a team or a teammate that dropped you behind your back without prior warning despite being the only other winner in 2023.

I most likely am biased because 2024 gave me an ick for Charles, mostly due to his fans.

Sorry, if it's a bit ranty. And Please correct me if i am wring

im not really unbiased lol

it's not really a driver's job to disobey team orders. obviously it's cool for us if they do and succeed.

but generally the driver's job is to drive and it's the team's job to strategize because the team has all the data points and tyre information of themselves and their competitors while the drivers only have their own to go off of. the driver is managing driving at 250km/h, they need to be able to rely on their team who have so much more information to make the calls that's best for the team. it's not reasonable to expect drivers to play race strategist as well because that's not their job. there's times teams will ask for a swap because one is faster, or is on a different strategy. redbull often defers to max's opinion on what tyre call to make during a wet race because that's when the driver can tell better how much grip he needs, at the same time if a driver makes the wrong call like lando in sochi when he stayed out for glory, you get why teams opt for the safer option. listening to your team isn't a bad thing, doesn't make you a cuck, the entire operation of f1 works because the car the driver and the race engineer and the mechanics and the strategists work in tandem

the drivers you named like lewis and seb and max were also in a position where they could disobey team orders, because they're fighting for wins/championships (which is different than fighting for p5) and they already are their team's champion so they are not replaceable. ferrari's ethos is very team over driver

In most team sports, your entire team either loses, wins, or draws. There isn't a state where some of your team wins and some of your team loses. Whilst in individual sports, it's you versus everyone else, so your job is pretty simple. Motorsports, however, exists in an awkward middle ground: you are both part of a team, and you are competing for individual glory.

This can meltdown in one of two ways. The first is when individual glory prevails over playing the team game, such as the Ayrton Senna and Alain Prost crash at Suzuka 1989, or the various Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg collisions, most prominently at Spain 2016. Then there's the other way: when the team prevails over individual glory.

The team orders.

This last weekend we saw team orders come into play as Oscar Piastri was leading the Hungarian Grand Prix, but McLaren pit second placed Lando Norris early to cover off any potential threat from Lewis Hamilton. This was an odd move as Lewis wasn't really all that close to either McLaren at this point, and the undercut gave Lando a massive advantage over Oscar.

Oscar Piastri pits two laps later and comes out in second. The gap widens to about six seconds, and McLaren spends the next chunk of the race trying to tell Lando to be a good teammate and let Oscar by in the end. McLaren started with light requests, then told Lando to remember the team, and eventually just started guilt-tripping Lando into giving up second.

Lando eventually lifted off on the straight, let Oscar pass, and Piastri took his first Formula One Grand Prix victory.

Now, Lando got the pole and was clearly the faster car at the end of the race, however, Piastri got the lead off the start, pulled away, and was in the lead when McLaren decided to pit Lando first. Really, I think the biggest problem is that McLaren decided to pit Lando first despite the fact that everyone could see that fresh tyres were a massive advantage at the Hungaroring.

Still, it's clear that Lando didn't particularly want to move over, and it's clear that McLaren was pretty desperate to get him to let Oscar by.

The big lift off the straight necessary to let Piastri by is also somewhat of a statement, Lando was making a point over how choreographed this switch was.

So, the team made the strategy call that flipped the order and made the drivers flip it back despite the fact that Norris didn't particularly seem to want to.

Where does that leave this case in comparison to a few other famous cases of team orders?

Well, one of the most famous examples is from the 1966 24 Hours of Le Mans, where - as seen in the movie Ford vs. Ferrari - where Ken Miles and Denny Hulme's #1 Shelby American Ford GT40 Mk. II was leading from the #2 sister car of Bruce McLaren and Chris Amon. In third - albeit twelve laps down - was another GT40 Mk. II, the #5 Holman & Moody car of Ronnie Bucknum and Dick Hutcherson. Ford man Leo Beebe ordered the three cars to finish in a dead heat for the photo opportunity.

Miles in the #1 car slowed down to let the #2 catch up, and Ford got their photo finish. The only problem was that McLaren and Amon finished a nose ahead, on top of the traditional part of the story where they started a further two spots behind the #1 and therefore traversed a greater distance.

The commonalities between this and Hungary 2024? Well, the lead car was ordered to slow down and that led to the car in second place taking the victory.

Then in the late 1990s into the 2000s, we got a slew of controversial team orders in Formula One, which eventually culminated in team orders getting banned.

First comes the 1997 European Grand Prix at Jerez, where, after the championship deciding crash between Jacques Villeneuve and Michael Schumacher, Schumacher is out of the race, out of the championship hunt, and will soon be disqualified from the 1997 season altogether, while Jacques is limping his car home, currently in the lead.

However, Williams then tells Jacques to let the McLarens of Mika Hakkinen and David Coulthard through. Jacques thus finished third, narrowly ahead of fourth placed Gerhard Berger. Now, it made sense for Jacques to let the faster McLarens through since he only needed a single point to match Michael and then beat him on countback, or two to beat him outright. First was worth 10, third was still worth 4.

The thing is that Williams and McLaren actually had an arrangement where, if McLaren helped Williams - or at least didn't get in their way - then Williams would help McLaren, so it wasn't just a matter of Jacques protecting his car, he was ordered to let the McLarens by.

To add fuel to the fire, McLaren had used team orders in that very race already, as Hakkinen started ahead at Jerez only to wind up behind Coulthard on pit strategy, something McLaren "fixed" with team orders, in a case very similar to Hungary 2024.

Also similar was the very next race, Australia 1998, where Hakkinen had some sort of radio mishap - accounts vary from him mishearing something to someone outright tapping McLaren's comms to call Mika in - went through the pits and emerged behind Coulthard. Ron Dennis again used team orders to correct an issue that came out of pit lane.

Also in 1998 was the Jordans at Spa, which I talked about in last week's blogpost. There, in treacherous wet conditions, Jordan ordered Ralf Schumacher to stop catching teammate Damon Hill and remain in second place, conserving the team's first 1-2 finish on the stormy day.

Now that I've established Williams, McLaren, and Jordan were all doing this stuff too, let's get to the name synonymous with team orders in this period: Ferrari.

First was a rather understandable case: the 1999 German Grand Prix, where Mika Salo - filling in for Michael Schumacher who broke his legs at the British Grand Prix earlier that year - was ordered to let Eddie Irvine by for the win. Mika Salo was just the fill in driver, Eddie Irvine was competing for the championship, and championship rival Mika Hakkinen crashed out after a tyre failure, so this was a ten-point gain for Irvine. All of that made sense.

What made less sense was Austria 2002, where coming onto the start-finish straight for the final time, Rubens Barrichello lifted off big time to let Michael by and allowed Schumacher to take his fifth win of the season - fourth in a row - in just the sixth race of the season. Yeah...it was not particularly necessary...and the fans let Ferrari know by booing the podium.

Even Michael didn't seem proud of it, as he let Rubens stand on the top step of the podium in his place.

The similarity to Hungary 2024? The big show of a lift to let the teammate past, though this was more dramatic given Rubens did it quite literally on the run to the line.

In the United States Grand Prix at Indianapolis at the end of that season, Schumacher would lift off and let Rubens finish alongside, which actually led to Rubens winning the race by 0.011 seconds. Schumacher and Ferrari have maintained that this was a botched photo finish, much like Le Mans 1966, but there has been a persistent theory that Michael was returning the favor for Austria earlier that season.

All of these incidents in quick succession and the growing controversy around them led to the FIA, after the 2002 season, banning the use of team orders.

So why were team orders allowed to happen in Hungary 2024?

Well, it turns out enforcing a ban on team orders is hard.

The crashgate scandal in 2008 - where Renault ordered Nelson Piquet Jr. to crash deliberately as Fernando Alonso was coming to the pits to bring out the safety car - was revealed in the summer of 2009.

Then in the 2010 German Grand Prix, we have the famous "Felipe, Fernando is faster than you, confirm you understood the message" case, where Massa was ordered to let Fernando by for the championship.

These two incidents led to the FIA conceding that they weren't actually able to police team orders, so as much as they would ban Briatore and Symonds on the Renault front and fine Ferrari, neither race result was overturned. The team orders ban was gone after the end of 2010, having only lasted eight seasons.

So team orders are now legal again, and the case of Multi-21 from the 2013 Malaysian Grand Prix is the most famous example. Sebastian Vettel was ordered to remain behind Mark Webber, refused, and overtook the Australian to take the win. For what it's worth, Mark Webber is Oscar Piastri's manager. Multi-814 doesn't quite have the same ring to it though.

Disregarding team orders and taking the win is something a lot of people have suggested that Lando should've done, that yielding proves he doesn't have the ruthless edge to be a championship caliber driver.

On the other hand, McLaren's team radio to Lando insisted that Lando and Oscar have helped each other countless times and they'll need each other's help to win the championship. Multi-21 was in Vettel and Webber's last year as teammates and there's always been the suggestion that Vettel refusing to yield is part of the reason why Mark retired.

Lando and Oscar are both young and quick, they can both be with McLaren for a long time provided Zak Brown can keep his lust for young drivers in check, so maybe Lando yielding to Oscar was the right call.

Time will tell if giving the position in the end was enough, or if all the will-he-or-won't-he itself will ensure Piastri won't be as trusting of Norris in the future.