“Sand people isn’t a good name” “tuskens is a worse name”
Lmao they’re all exonyms just invent a conlang real quick so you can make a name for them to call themselves in their own language. duh

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“Sand people isn’t a good name” “tuskens is a worse name”
Lmao they’re all exonyms just invent a conlang real quick so you can make a name for them to call themselves in their own language. duh

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hi again! I've been messing around with measurement translations a bit and I think the easiest way to go about it (especially in this situation for recipes) would be to try and keep everything as 1:1 as possible even if it may not seem super probable that Mandalorians would differentiate between teaspoons and tablespoons haha
So we have a word for spoon already “hoshap” and to me the most straightforward way to write it would be kihoshap (khsp) for a teaspoon (lit. “small spoon”) and hoshap (hsp) for a tablespoon. That way we can do easy conversions; ehn khspe o’r anay hsp (three teaspoons in every tablespoon - tacking on an “e” at the end to indicate more than one)
(otoh, if having a longer abbreviation for a shorter measurement is messing with you, you could have ori'hoshap (ohsp) for tablespoon and hoshap for teaspoon. Or use both ig. I kinda prefer the first option but to each their own)
Only thing I’m concerned about is amounts, we have a word for half “dul” but not for quarter, third, etc. Quarter I’d probably say you could get away with by using dul’dul (half of half) but I have no idea for third. I’d bring the problem up with others more familiar with the linguistic creative process than I am 😅
The Phantom Menace Opening Crawl: in keldeorinyaa!
I said I was gonna redo my Kel Dor conlang translations - here's a big one! :D
Instead of listing the vocab, I'm just gonna link my dictionary sheet. Some of the vocab needs explanation; scroll to the bottom for notes.
Disclaimer: this is Baby's First Conlang and I'm doing it for fun; don't expect linguistic accuracy. My primary motivation for conlanging is as worldbuilding first, learning some cool stuff about linguistics second. Also I have never taken a thing 100% seriously in my life.
Pronunciation notes---
š = the 'sh' in sheep
ň = the 'ng' in thing
č = the 'ch' in cheese
ao = oh, as in "oh dear"
ë = schwa-ish, very unstressed vowel, 'uh'
ř = rhotic r, american-english style
r = tapped r, spanish-style
rr = rolled r
Grammatical notes---
Turmoil has engulfed the Galactic Republic. The taxation of trade routes to outlying star systems is in dispute. repabliki halmiyanšan ei ravediz khalaldiyeh. konya halmizeolko a nainoa di yajhe yakaviliyeh. [galactic republic] [focus.p] [turmoil] [bury-passive.ongoing]. [distant] [star system] [relational.p] [tax] [topic.p] [regarding.p] [debate-passive.ongoing]
Linguists: while they have complicated histories, all languages are valid and interesting examples of how humans exist and behave and communicate
Me *making Galactic Basic into an in-universe conlang created by the Republic Department of Linguistic Standards (DoLS) to impose Republic cultural domination in advance of Republic political and economic domination as a weapon against Hutt & other factions' potential control over systems, often with the effect of replacing and wiping out the indigenous languages of entire planets due to way it was created to be easy to learn for a wide variety of species and linguistic backgrounds*: sure yeah but this one is evil
Linguists: well…umm…uhh…first of all you’re vastly overestimating your ability to make a language that appeals to as wide a variety of first language speakers and second… Umm…and no language is—well—hmm…
Me: but also it's the only language the clones are taught growing up. Which is a tragedy among tragedies of course but they'll also adapt it and add new words and make a patchwork from other languages they hear on a thousand different planets and study during long hyperspace journeys, and they'll code switch to perfect "standard phonology" basic with certain people and most of their self-invented names are in Basic too because no one ever gave them names and nobody else actually names their kids in Basic because there are barely any names in Basic and this whole thing will be a form of Basic largely untouched by the Republic education systems beholden to the DoLS for funding
Linguists *hurriedly packing their bags to come and study this*:
👀👀👀
Me *in a convertible, smug*: get in losers, it's called BibiuBubui and you're late
Why even conlang if not for:
The smallest Mirialan Mace has ever met—short of hatchlings seen from afar on Miriala—is called Luminara Unduli and she has the bright green scales and loves nothing more than the monthly tea parties held by the other Mirialans. She goes to every one, and chatters about them to Mace as best she can in a combination of [?] and halting Mussnara.
Mace already knew that Mirialans struggled with learning sounds, but talking to a youngling makes it that much clearer how difficult it makes learning a spoken language.
Luminara is learning Signed Mussnara and Written Mussnara at a rapid pace, her visual memory helping her expand her vocabulary by dozens of words a day with ease. Her Spoken, though, is full of short, simple words and stumbling sentences. Some of her elders only know Signed and Written, having forgone Spoken entirely.
Mace only picked up enough to get by as a traveler on Miriala. Luminara’s pace is perfect for him to pick up a little more, even as her pronunciation makes him wince.
She struggles with the L sound most of all, pronouncing her own name more like Aominara Ondua than Luminara Unduli.
Mace coaches her from recordings of Mussnara and from his own memory. “Don’t let the tip of your tongue touch the roof of your mouth, only the very back, then try to make the same sound you would if it was the tip of your tongue. Llllll,” He demonstrates.
“Gllllu,” she says. “Gllu, glllllu.”
“Very close,” he praises, “Try it in context. Lllllluminnara.”
“Gllylluminnara. Lllylluminnara”
“Undullllli.”
“Ondulllllee.” “Undullli.” “Oundugli.” She tosses her head and goes again, “Oundullllihh. Oundullih. Undullihh”
“Very good.”
Luminara perks up at that and says, “Mace Uihndu catolllyl.”
Mace quirks a smile. “Luminnara Unduli catol. Off'fos catol.”
Mace Windu exsits by the will of the Force; Luminara Unduli exists by the will of the Force; We both exist by the will of the Force.
(Luminara is 3 and she's doing great at being a polyglot)
Notes:
My Mirialans are reptiles with basically eidetic visual memory and pretty shit sound memory.
Signed Mussnara, Spoken Mussnara, and Written Mussnara are closely related via their roots, but still all different languages which are all in use by the same people group(s), with Signed slightly outpacing Spoken in everyday use. “Mussnara” literally means “people communication,” and could easily be translated to mean “language” depending on context.
The "L sound" Luminara is mainly working on here is the voiced velar lateral approximant, aka /ʟ/. What Mace says above is my legitimate advice for how to pronounce it.
Catol is the verb to exist (cat, pronounced tsat, not 😺), with the suffix -ol which attached to a verb to mean "by the will of the Force" (technically it's "by the will of Myrtra," the Mussnara word for the same entity/force, but which implies Mirialan interpretations rather than Jedi ones, expect of course this is Mussnara as spoken by Mirialan Jedi, so they're using Jedi interpretations, aka the Force, not Myrtra).
In dialogue, Luminara is spelled Luminnara, with two Ns. This is because of the phonetic spellings of Mussnara & its syllable structures. Outside of dialogue I chose to spell it the canon way to avoid confusion and show how it gets pronounced by the uninitiated lol.
Off'fos is translated as "we," but it's a little more complicated than that. Mace learned mainly very formal Mussnara, and so doesn't have a very detailed grasp on subject pronouns and the formality levels. Off'fos is the formal-formal we, aka the one you use when you're talking to someone who you're formal with about someone you're formal with. On Mirial, he'd actually be using the right one, since he and Luminara aren't actually that close yet, however Mirialan Jedi all tend to use the familiar-familiar pronouns for one another, since Jedi label one another family (and other reasons).
The [?] I left in was intentional, and refers to a conlang-in-progress that doesn't yet have a name (or much else) due to so much research that still needs doing.

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“Anakin was confused by Jedi masters being called masters”
Anakin. Does not speak English 👍
On the one hand, I want what mando’a has (wide fandom recognition of a limited vocabulary and the look of the words in general). On the other hand…do I
Thinking about my Lurmen conlang draft… For some reason I developed a base-five numeral system with digits up to twenty really early on and that’s the most work I’ve done on it. I was thinking about modeling the grammar on Japanese, I think…
First of all i'm curious what got you especially interested in the Lermans!
This looks really cool so far--base five isn't uncommon for a number system at all, and I think the Lermans have five fingers like humans lol. This is just me spitballing but it could be cool to see a number system a little like "The Ekari language, spoken on the island of New Guinea, uses a sexagesimal (base 60) system, with base 20 and 10 also used to identify numbers below 60" (source), where you would use base 5 up to a certain number, and then switch to a much larger base.
I'm curious how you picked out your consonants and vowels; from what I remember the Lurmans seemed lemur-inspired, so I wonder if it has anything to do with what sounds lemurs can make? (though obviously they speak english in the show, so you've got a lot of room for artistic liberties)
One thing i'd note is that picking sounds from english words is really useful (it's how I started with amatakka) but it has limitations in that not every english speaker is going to pronounce words the same way, and it's going to limit you to sounds that appear in english, which may result in the lerman language sounding a bit like english too (advice given to me by @ranahan). That could make sense since the Lermans speak english just fine in the show, depending on what you're going for.
I don't know much at all about Japanese grammar, so it'd be cool to see a language based on it--I imagine it would involve some system of honorifics, which could be interesting considering the tensions we see play out in the CW episode seem to involve age! It probably helps to have a plan for what the grammar is going to look like before just jumping in… (see all of my conlanging decisions lmao).