#spicandspan89

right??? I was convinced she wouldn’t be on the podium. go Penny!!!

7th at the turn!!! i was bracing for disappointment!!!

what a letdown!!! sighhh. at least the ladies are coming through

LOL. actually that would be an interesting research question. it probably dates back to early HP fandom. maybe influence from the Shoebox Project?

It’s definitely old as balls, I remember it from like... FF.net. I’m pretty sure it even pre-dates Shoebox (as did the FF.net fic era), although I think Shoebox had a pretty big impact on how everyone characterizes these characters.

yeah imo kastle is more tragic and doomed than problematic. the worst thing Frank does TO Karen is when he uses her as bait in the diner. shitty thing to do even though he had no intention of letting her be harmed.

I'd agree, this is the one moment we can really question between them. Although, since he could have just taken her car, I think we can infer that he had a less rational reason for bringing her along: 1) she wanted to come and 2) he wanted her to come. That simple. It doesn't make putting her in danger ok, but I do think it's an interesting moment to consider.

yikes. are you traveling soon?

Okay, first question: did we get confirmation that Bellamy was taking her to Pike, or are we just assuming that/did Octavia just assume that?  I honestly can’t remember if he said something like “we’ll talk to Pike” or if I just jumped to that conclusion.  If we didn’t get direct confirmation from Bellamy that his goal was to take Clarke to Pike, it’s possible he was like, gonna keep her in his room or something?  Kind of a stupid plan, but then again, so are all his plans.  (And I just remembered that he had other guards with him, so yeah, he was probably taking her to Pike.)

But if we assume that he was definitely, 100% taking her to Pike...I don’t know what his endgame was.  Because just fifteen minutes earlier he was hissing at Octavia to take her braids out because it wasn’t safe to be seen as allied with the Grounders anymore, and Clarke is literally living with them and decided they should join them, so he has to know he would be putting her in danger.  And whatever his misguided motivation for handcuffing her and no matter how furious with her he is, Bellamy doesn’t want to put Clarke in danger.

(Sidenote: I thought it was interesting that Lexa pointed out she would shoot Clarke on sight if she was an Arkadian, and it appears Bellamy is worried the same thing will happen to Clarke if she returns to Polis.  Obviously he knows nothing about how she and Lexa feel about each other and he has zero reason to trust Lexa while Clarke does have a reason to trust that Lexa will at least protect her, but Bellamy and Lexa essentially reach the same conclusion regarding Clarke’s relative safety with the other side because that’s what they would do.)

I don’t think he would want her to be punished, and I’m guessing best-case scenario was he thought he could...plead her case?  With her handcuffed so she doesn’t run back to the grounders?  Idk man, that’s an even shittier plan than he usually comes up with, especially since Bellamy is aware of the dangerous climate he’s helped create regarding Grounder sympathizers.

Honestly, you know what I think?  I think the writers wanted to have Octavia take out a guard while they were walking and have Clarke escape, so they needed to get Clarke and Bellamy out into a hallway for some reason and “turning her over to Pike” was the next logical step.  Much like Bellamy’s whiplash decision to join Pike last week, this decision feels grounded in “what we need to happen” instead of “what this character would actually do in this situation.”  I don’t get the sense that they thought very hard about how stupid this plan is-- and just how much danger Bellamy would be putting her in if he did get her face to face with Pike-- because they never actually considered having Bellamy’s plan come to fruition.  It was just a way to get them moving from point A to point B so the rest of the story could happen.