i shared how maefys and lödwyn's relationship ends but now i will talk about how it begins :) :) :)
I really like nature metaphors for Maefys because the phenomena itself has no moral value until it's made into a metaphor, and I think it's a really good fit for a godlike of Sapadal in Aedyr- linked to a god that incarnated through non-directed processes, but making sense of the world through Woedica's lens.
Maefys makes a pass with Lödwyn pretty much the first time she meets to get her instructions as Lodwyn's rat informant, but Lödwyn makes her work for it for a couple weeks.
Maefys had noticed (and reveled in) Lödwyn's fascination with her when they first met, and over their next couple meetings (where I need to be so so so clear, Maefys is being an absolute piece of shit and selling out people she'd worked with to the same systems that pretty literally just put her through the wringer), she makes a point to charm her and prove her utility.
Most of it is a performance, but Maefys is a good performer, and has a knack for dropping the act and cracking a transparent joke about her intentions (all of them). I wound up dropping it because the cuckoo felt a little too culturally loaded when her ass does in fact cuck woedica, but I do think a lot about the cuckoo when I'm thinking about Maefys as a theater kid. I think she listens constantly, and I think she's got the ear and control over her delivery and the bits of hylspeak in her accent to position herself where people expect her, and then play around with it.
She's good at bouncing between being intentionally opaque and being blunt. And they both have a similar bone dry, occasionally cruel sense of humor that's totally earnest for Lödwyn, and not-quite-earnest, but intentionally pulled out of very real places for Maefys, she's already very bitter. I think most of the performance with Lödwyn there is where the cruelty is directed vs. what she holds back, but she probably feels it.
They only actually start having sex after Maefys is able to get some papers that i have not decided on yet signed and sealed by Lödwyn. There are no consequences for Lödwyn to face outside of knowing that she's doing a favor for Maefys and she can either rationalize that as being a step to get her into bed or out of the goodness of her heart, both/either of which are absolutely an acknowledgement that Maefys has tested her and won and does in fact have power over her.
I think one of the earliest disconnects between them isn't actually that she is performing to try and manipulate Lödwyn - it's that she doesn't recognize how much Lödwyn sees and is impressed by the performance. I don't think Lödwyn can work out the details of the manipulation, but she can feel the effect and register when Maefys does throw her off balance or reel her in, and as time goes on and Maefys continues being her rat and doing it well, ostensibly in service to the empire, well - it's power. It works. She's into it. She's always been into power.
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pending changes, always, but i have settled on Maefys and Lödwyn's break up.
this is willfully misinterpreting at least two different dialogue lines but I think it gives them more pizzazz so that's allowed.
The memory that Maefys gives to the Giftbearer in the quest Memory of the Deep is the location of the Burned Book of Law, and, I don't think she knows the exact literal location of it - but she's happy to get rid of the memory of the last times she saw it.
Lödwyn was entrusted with that book in Highcrown as part of her rise in station in the Garotte, and like. I've seen the way Woedica talks to her priests, it's so hot. I think she answered Lödwyn's prayers in it often enough for Maefys to really feel the presence of her in the room.
Maefys is so rarely vulnerable, that I think when she's curled up in Lödwyn's arms, genuinely feeling safe - Lödwyn is always Paladin-brained, and she has little flashes where she's like protecting this is my most valuable charge. and she really can't be doing that!!!
So in my favorite dialogue ever, there's a non-skeleton-ex dialogue that everybody gets that I have decided to put too much weight on - and it's "I even asked the god what made you so remarkable - and the Burned Queen opened my eyes to what you were."
And what I've been so hung up on is putting years between asking and receiving an answer. So - I think Lödwyn goes to Woedica with contrition. And that's when she asks why Maefys is so remarkable.
But, the Burned Queen doesn't forgive easily - so Lödwyn is answered with silence. And in that absence, that's when she pulls away - she makes a choice. She leans into her goddess and away from Maefys. And things fall apart slowly until eventually Maefys names their separation.
Eventually, Woedica shows her ass. Her specialest boy gets his soul kicked out of her claws and back to the Wheel by the Watcher. And Lödwyn gets tasked with delivering the Burned Book to the Deadfire so that her goddess can speak to the kith who actually has her full attention. And while Lödwyn is there she gets tasked with some fully pointless Garotte business in the scale of Eora. And then Maia three-bells-throughs her.
And only then, when Lödwyn's zeal and dedication brings her back? that's when Woedica has more to say to her. And sometime after that is the answer to the question that she asked Woedica. It just took a while to get it.
idk I just like, I love her being such a small footnote in the watcher's story. she was nothing to them. And I think it's wayyy more fun to lean all the way into that. the tragedy of a death guard is so fucking good.
For the OC ask meme, if you’re still taking questions:
Gerhard: When's the last time your OC hurt someone emotionally? What did they do?
Maefys: What's the longest grudge your OC has ever held? Against whom and why?
Ruhena: What does your OC’s love interest dislike about them?
Thank you!! I'm busy so a little slow to respond to everything ever but was very down to answer these!
Ugly OC Asks
Gerhard: When's the last time your OC hurt someone emotionally?
Sarevok and Gerhard both had so much turmoil and grief in the times when they should've been growing up, so once the drive for Bhaal's throne is gone, they're just kinda like. Aimless and struggling lol. And given how much of that grief is the fault of the other? They fight a lot.
Sarevok killed Gorion before Gerhard could figure out what he meant to him. Gerhard killed Tamoko. And neither of them are kind enough not to weaponize that shit to win an argument. They've studied each other! And Sarevok has a piece of Imoen's soul - so he has flashes of her memories of Gerhard, including a lot of Gerhard's ugliest moments, including both the embarrassing and the things he's actually ashamed of.
(I am elaborating on Sarevok having some of Imoen's soul in a different post because I need to talk about my favorite dialogue in the entire series!!!!)
Maefys: What's the longest grudge your OC has ever held? Against whom and why?
Yeah, so Maefys has an incredibly impotent and completely one-sided beef with Woedica. And it has nothing to do with her ideology or her deeds - Maefys really does accept Aedyran values and Woedican doctrine without much question.
She's loved and been loved by a Paladin who absolutely had her wires crossed. She knows that some of the devotion she's received was meant for someone Lödwyn can't touch. And it's easier to cast her tangled feelings about that onto the one who's in her bed but not in the room than it is to risk letting it rot something that feels good.
The idea that Sapadal's feelings were already tied with hers before she arrives in the Living Lands is too much for Maefys to consciously confront. But some of those raw emotions and the edges of the situation are close enough to Sapadal's pain (and their own anger at being tied up in Woedica) that echoes in the thorn probably amplify her feelings about Woedica, too.
Ruhena: What does your OC’s love interest dislike about them?
The easy answer is having the power to make a decision that absolutely tore Maia apart.
But I think that it's the ease with which Ruhena is able to hold the knife (explosives lmao) and express earnest love at the same time? Their love is complicated, and if something is complicated, Maia wants to treat it like the live wire it is. But Ruhena won't.
And Ruhena is conflicted! She just compartmentalizes in a way that isn't legible to Maia - whose compartmentalization is Navy-trained and abrasive. Ruhena's a priest of the twin gods of doorways. And she's presided over enough funerals that she believes that if she grieves preemptively she'd never have time to live.
It's also fucked up that Ruhena has the emotional clarity to just say shit like that when Maia gets cagey.
Thank you!!!!
5. A song that reminds your character of their childhood
so, all of Gerhard's music is pop punk/emo because that's, his vibe, but I'm gonna really indulge myself on this, which means, for the good times, we've got Pet Symmetry, baby.
"We occupied the space where we'd never have a thing to lose/between the bong rips and knife hits/ Protestant booze, stick-and-poke tattoos/we were just over-privileged youth seeking something to do."
I have a lot of small little headcanons about Gerhard and Imoen being rebellious little shits and causing problems together. Stealing a book on herbalism and attempting to find some herbs to smoke (successfully) and some mushrooms to trip on (unsuccessfully). Breaking into the catacombs, painting on the walls. They both have stick-and-pokes of runes that have like, very very mild magic effects - like +1% fire resistance. And I also think, in addition to the fun memories, as neglected and frustrating his time in Candlekeep was, it was also a pretty privileged and sheltered life, better than what Imoen had in store as a kid in the Gate, and it's absolutely the biggest point of contention with Viconia, early on.
And for Gerhard's second song - Dikembe. "This house is a machine that I don't understand." I think the key to his childhood is that Gorion kept him at arm's length, and he never told him about his mother, and he seemed almost afraid of him. And Gerhard never knew why. So lyrics like, "There are corners of the room I've never been to/They could house anything, like currents of symmetry." Really feel right for him. His life in Candlekeep was impossibly small, and yet despite that, it still managed to be impossibly confusing. There's so much life-changing information kept out of his grasp by the very few people he has in his life. And it still shapes the way that they all interact with him? He just can't see why.
(I need to say that an honorable mention was "Fuck, Dantooine is Big" by Marietta, because I felt like Marietta was a good vibe and I saw it and was like "yeah dude Dantooine is too fucking big." But. As timely as it'd be for my KOTOR replay rn it wasn't the right move lyrically.)
8. A song that would play at the climax of your character’s story
I've spent most of the last week trying to pick out the exact moment that I think ought to be the climax of Maefys' story - and it feels like a small moment given how big the plot points in Avowed are - Abandoning her empire? Killing Lodwyn? But I think that the moment where she finally turns down the gifts that Sapadal offers her is really the one?
As a Court Augur, she immediately registers that these exchanges with Sapadal are exchanges of her soul - she becomes less herself and more them. But she doesn't care. She doesn't like herself. She's already traded more of herself for less. "Nothing sacred, nothing lost." What wouldn't she give up to root a little bit further, gain a little stability? Climb a little higher? So I think that this song really captures the temptation to keep pushing this cycle and reshaping herself into whatever power will make space for her. "Traitor cut down the altar/it could all be yours." But I think, you know. When she's made that offer (I think this point was right after legitimately fighting Lödwyn for the first time), she finally realizes that like. Actually she's good? There are things she cares about and wants to hold onto. She's choosing to reject power if it comes at the cost of erasing herself, for the first time, and that's big.
(additional footnote no one asked for. maefys hates sparring so much. she does not do it unless she literally has to because she needs to be on her game in a life and death way. so she does it as little as she can justify with Kai during the events with Avowed. But. When they were together she did spar a lot with Lödwyn because Lödwyn needed to spar in her downtime to feel like she was doing something productive and Maefys would be on board if they could swing it as foreplay. So. Physically fighting Lödwyn for real for the first time, with the intent to kill? The rupture of something that was once intimate and familiar? that's. a rough one!!!! And I think the fact that Maefys has grown enough that she can weather that and still hold onto the very delicate feelings of hope and peace that are just barely blooming for her and make a choice to preserve that is like. I'm proud of her!!!)
I've buried this somewhere in a wip post I think, but I landed on Maefys' Court Augur dialogues being 75% absolute bullshit and 25% drawing on something real she can't explain. She's a latent cipher, but she doesn't have the vocabulary to explain it, and she doesn't want to have the vocabulary for it, at least until a minute after the end of Avowed.
If there's no explanation for why she knows things, or how she's able to accurately predict aspects of the future, but the most obvious thing about her is that she's a godlike - then she can ensure her abilities are interpreted in the way that is most useful to her. Messages from the Gods? Useful. Whereas Ciphers would be a little more well known in Aedyr than they were in PoE1, but because they are still unknown and scary, it would damage trust more than she imagines it would help. So she'd do everything she can to keep that door closed.
And at the same time, I think she's aware that Lödwyn wouldn't have taken much note of her without the aura of authority she gets from her absent god. And her relationship with Lödwyn is so foundational, that idea that it wasn't earned and it wasn't hers hurts. Plus, the fercönyng absolutely wouldn't have noticed her. She's internalized so much Aedyran bullshit around the importance of fulfilling her duties well - I think she knows that it's possible she could be a better diplomat if she opens that door. But the possibility of confirming that the thing that sets her apart at court isn't under her control and is entirely subject to the whims of a god who won't even deign to speak to her? That'd break her. So better not touch it.
But! I think a minute after Avowed, she'd have more peace with Sapadal and her duties, so she'd be willing to actually explore what's going on. And Giatta would have a couple theories!
One of Giatta's schticks is that she just spitballs things that are irl groundbreaking scientific theories. So when Maefys does reluctantly humor her on experimenting, I think she'd set up a blinded test to figure out if maybe Maefys can tell the future, and just, get readings on what Maefys' and Sapadal's souls are doing through all that. (And send Marius out to take Sapadal on a field trip and take notes to try and remove them from the equation for a couple of the tests.) But on a hunch maybe she'd consider that maybe her own soul is interfering too!
And if she did make it so she, as the animancer running the test, also didn't know the randomized outcomes until after all the observations were taken, then she'd see Maefys' ability to predict things disappears. 😈 Which would give her information needed to figure out that Maefys is a cipher and not an oracle lol.
And! Maefys I think would be actually very hype to confirm that the thing giving her an edge in Court is something she can work with and train. I don't think she'd express it outright but I think she would actually start engaging more with animancy and Giatta's theories enthusiastically instead of the skeptical distance she had for it. And Giatta will be a menace if she has a lab rat uhhh tech that can directly manipulate other souls. So I think they'll wind up doing a lot of fun experiments together. Some of which involve sex and drugs and many of which will not unearth anything about the soul!
Also honestly Maefys is gonna be a kind of shitty cipher because she's spent decades trying to repress it, and I love that for her.
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omggg I got so carried away here thank youuuu. I love them. Honestly I think I landed somewhere a little bit less toxic than I expected for these two, but I'm gonna put it all behind a readmore to play it safe because they're not. Healthy.
3. If they complimented each other, what would they say?
Well, I think the girlies are well and truly in backhanded compliment territory, so as far as what they'd literally say out loud?
We got the in-canon "I miss your eyes glaring at me" regarding Lödwyn now being a skeleton. But honestly, that's just flirting. If they were going for the jugular?
Lödwyn would say some shit like, "Maefys is the finest weapon Aedyr has ever forged, it's just a pity the emperor has such poor grip." And also probably would say, "I have seen court vipers weave their lies and manipulations for decades. And none were as skilled as Maefys in their plots--no one else has so elegantly lead the unworthy to their destruction, ensuring it is done by their own hand. It has always left me breathless to watch her work. And this—this is her greatest masterpiece. If I had breath to hold, I would be watching with it bated, as Maefys twists and contorts herself, leading herself on her exquisite walk toward her own ruin."
And as her compliment, Maefys might say some shit like, "I envy Lödwyn's conviction and depth of faith, even as reality begins to crumble and shift. She has a sense of purpose so deep she can even invent a role for herself and claw her way back from the dead to fulfill it." And I think maybe saying it out loud would be a step too far but in the midst of their breakup she certainly thought this and probably still carries it - "Lödwyn's devotion is an unyielding and an all-consuming force, and it is a marvel to see it borne out and brought into the world only through honeyed words spoken from a burnt book. At least when I told her to kneel, I fucked her after."
But, since I want to hurt me. I'll also share some of their genuine compliments.
For all of the plots and woven webs Lödwyn imagines now, Maefys can never truly convey how grateful she is that Lödwyn was able to see her, through her own. Lödwyn saw her when no one else did, and then Lödwyn made a space for Maefys in Aedyr and allowed her to grow and sheltered her through the process. It is not the right space for her now, but it was, once.
And Maefys rarely let down her guard, so holding her in the few moments when she did—taking on the sacred burden of protecting something so beautiful in its fleeting fragility—was the greatest charge Lödwyn had ever known. Even now, in the empty hollow (skeleton reference) of her chest, she feels the echo. She literally cannot acknowledge the depth of that feeling and remain standing. And she's lucky her goddess isn't around to know.
12. Do they have differing political opinions?
Rip, not as different as they fucking should lol. Maefys has always believed Lödwyn was too blunt and Lödwyn has always believed Maefys was too subtle. But there was a time when they worked well together, and they were both able to see that. Truthfully Maefys didn't have particularly strong political convictions, but she did have a lot of self-loathing for fitting so poorly into the values of Aedyr and she projected that outwards onto everything outside of the empire. That did start breaking down literally as soon as she touched grass (got outside the palace and to the Living Lands), and it broke down completely once she had the information she needed to better understand and accept herself (and is told that she broke her oath to the empire so she had no choice). So they end with very different outlooks.
21. How have they changed each other for the better/for the worse?
I've had this image in my head of Maefys since I played that's just like - a tree that has grown through and around a plate cuirass, if that makes any sense at all lol. She is her own person, she has grown beyond that and she will continue growing, but her path has been changed and shaped irrevocably by Aedyr, and by the courts, and by Lödwyn, who pulled her into that. There are hollows in her that wouldn't be there without that piece of metal under the bark, and there are sides of her that are stronger for it, and I don't know if she even considers herself better or worse off for the experience. Just something different.
I think Lödwyn has more issues from her role in Aedyr than she will ever have the opportunity to reconcile, so she had a really limited way to understand her relationship with Maefys. Her love and her devotion and her worship are all the same thing and she doesn't have the ability to separate it. She couldn't just be with Maefys, or enjoy their time spent together, the pleasure she took had to serve something. So she built it up too high and then when her feelings felt too real, she came to see their love as a test of her faith in Woedica. Even Maefys felt like she was the other woman in Lödwyn's marriage. So Lödwyn wants to believe that she was tested and she passed, but I think she actually fears that she has had her faith shaken. And. Real talk. Maefys does end the game by breaking her faith. So maybe she was always right.
25. What moves do they know work on the other?
Maefys is a brat and likes getting thrown around a bit. I think the opportunity to take liberties and play with boundaries in an environment where she actually feels safe the whole time is huge for her. And. Lödwyn is also very on board with that dynamic, it's their usual rhythm.
What was a less usual dynamic was that occasionally Maefys would initiate them flipping the script because let's be so real - Lödwyn needs to worship. That is how she can express devotion. It's not something that Lödwyn would initiate because that's getting a little closer to her truths and her fears, but when it came up, it was hugely cathartic for her.
And speaking of catharsis!! Lödwyn's goddess is the Strangler, her Paladin order is the Steel Garrote, the most divine punishment of the unworthy that she can comprehend is to deny someone their breath. Is there any better way for her to externalize her feelings of conflict than to have the woman who is testing her faith simulate that punishment on her? To be the subject of the rituals that she performs? To understand what it is to be unworthy? To experience an execution, the executions that she does so often, and to live, just changed? Interesting.