#sensemisapplied

This will also rap up the Brody Quinn parallels. B was the wrong decision, Q the right one, etc. I just can’t see what they gonna do with Q for 2 more seasons… They’re just not interested in showing a romantic /domestic relationship explicitly. It is romantic yes, but it’s also romantic to die for your true love and country. Ruperts answers seem foreboding as well. If they do it right, I guess the majority would want to tune in next season to see how Carrie will handle everything. /2

Her mission could be to make right by him. /3

So your logic is “Gansa needs no logic”? LOL, OK Anon. 

But, yeah, at WTH we function under the assumption that Gansa is actually good at his job and knows his craft, so we do expect his story choices to be rational. Others are free not to trust him, but if you come to WTH with questions, you know what to expect from us 💁.

“The evidences are there, we just refuse to see.”

The evidence is there that Gansa is telling a story following the conventions of the thriller genre. If you want to look for “evidence” outside the story to stoke your fears, that’s your choice, but we at WTH are not participating. We don’t do “foreboding.”

“This will also rap up the Brody Quinn parallels.”

There are no Brody/Quinn parallels other than they are both men.

“It’s also romantic to die for your true love and country.”

Quinn dying a heroic death may make sense at the end of the series, but thrillers don’t kill their heroes ¾ of the way into the story, because – guess what? – they are actually needed to tell the story. 

The audience – and Carrie – already grieved for Quinn at the end of Season 5, which would dilute the emotional impact of killing him at the end of Season 6. It would be like brewing coffee from the grounds you used yesterday. It would just taste like dirty water and the audience would spit it out because, gross. 

Killing a character of the magnitude of Peter Quinn only makes sense for a huge emotional impact. We already know Quinn is willing to die for Carrie and to protect others. Nothing huge there.

Anon 2: Dammit all to hell! Reunited in the final 60 seconds of the episode?! Season sex had better be the payoff we’ve been waiting for. These writers are assholes.

Needless to say, we disagree with you, Anons. 

There is absolutely no comparison between this season and last season. I’m not really sure why people keep referring to S5 as an example of how bad the writing can be. We remember Season 5 as well as anybody, thank you very much. 

Season 6 has been damn near flawless in terms of writing. The plot has been tight and the characters have been receiving great development -- ESPECIALLY Quinn.

And so has Quarrie. The first few episodes were uncharacteristically Quarrie heavy and even over the three episodes they were separated, the relationship continued to be developed (Quinn/Dar scene; Carrie/Lonas scene; Carrie/shrink scene). The writers separated them because they are on individual journeys that required them to be apart. It’s not just about solving the mystery. 

There is NOTHING to suggest from S6 that there will be no payoff for Quarrie. I’m not even talking about sex now, I’m talking about an emotional resolution to ALL THE QUESTIONS that have been opened about them this season. 

Yes, if that happened, that would constitute very bad writing. But we have seen nothing to make us fear that this is what’s going to happen. Nothing. 

If it does, we will join your bitch-fest for a few days and then we will shut down the blog because we refuse to hate-watch the show. 

Yes, Carrie and Quinn always comprehend each other, even though they speak in code. 

When Carrie says “it’s not all about the mission, it never has been,” she’s referring to their entire relationship. When Quinn accuses her of always being about the mission, he means “You never cared for me. The only reason you ever wanted me around was to serve your mission” (AKA “you used/manipulated me just like everyone else”). 

Carrie is telling him that it’s not true. She wanted him around because she loves him. 

We created a gifset to illustrate this:

Nah. Quinn knows Carrie loves him, that’s why he’s pushing her away. He doesn’t see himself as worthy of love (compare to Carrie’s 4x12 “I’m no good for you, or anyone else”). 

He’s trying really hard to surrender to the darkness and that pesky Carrie with her love and encouragement won’t let him go LOL. 

Anon 2: Your logic all makes sense I'll give you that, but it's not Qs story, and tell me which purpose he will serve for Cs story if he lives? They don't want to show them as a couple... All this oh he has to heal, his story is not over, if he dies the hero will be gone before the series is over. Again it's not Qs story. He can't make it on his own, yeah, but C can. We might get ily, meaningful conversation and even sex, but he COULD still die.

Hi Anon 1, the logic for killing Quinn last year did not pass the three-pronged test, either. Hence why he’s still alive. 

Not sure why you see “the ridiculousness of them treating Quinn like the Road Runner” as evidence that they would kill him. On the contrary, this only shows that, while he may not be the protagonist, he is Homeland’s action hero. In a thriller, someone has to take all the bullets and the punches and it sure as hell isn’t going to be Carrie. And it’s not going to be Saul, either, LMAO. 

Anon 2, your reasoning seems to be based on the fact that they could kill Quinn, but you haven’t proposed any reasons why they would kill him. 

The only character who is guaranteed through the closing scenes of S8 is Carrie, the protagonist, but this is a very small cast and the death of a major character -- like Quinn or Saul -- would have to have a really important purpose. They wouldn’t kill Saul off, for example, without it being absolutely necessary for Carrie’s arc. 

You seem to be under the impression that Quinn is superfluous to Carrie’s story. He’s not. The central dramatic question of Carrie’s emotional arc since S1 is “will Carrie be alone her whole life?” This question is being explored through the Carrie x Quinn relationship. Even if the answer is ultimately “no” (which I highly doubt), they’re not going to resolve it 3/4 of the way through. It’s going to follow Carrie through the series finale. 

So in all this I have addressed my three-pronged test:

1) How would killing Quinn in S6 serve Carrie’s story? It wouldn’t. Carrie would lose her love interest with two seasons left in the show. There is no reason to end this story with two seasons left in the show. 

2) How would it serve Homeland’s story? It wouldn’t. Homeland would lose it’s action hero. 

Hmm, I kind of agree and kind of disagree. He can’t do it on his own, but Carrie can’t do it for him or force him to do it against his will. Remember when Quinn’s physical therapist told Carrie, “You can’t make people do things they don’t want to do”? That phrase has basically formed the backbone of the Quinn and Carrie relationship all season. 

Quinn may not be able to “do it” on his own, but finding the WILL to get better and ACCEPTING Carrie’s help, that he MUST do on his own. 

Sorry, Anon. There was absolutely nothing ambiguous about this scene. In fact, it was the opposite of ambiguous, it was straight up exposition – which is very rare on Homeland (as it should be, since it’s crap storytelling). 

Carrie was trying to explain to the shrink why she brought Quinn into her home. She was worried that he was suicidal and brought him home in an effort to save him (”it was as if he wanted to finish the job…so I brought him home”). 

She still carries guilt over her role in Brody’s death and couldn’t live with herself if she lost Quinn without doing everything she could to help him, knowing that he was in trouble (”I can’t go through that again. I can’t lose another one”). 

There was NOTHING in this scene to suggest that she’s been taking care of Quinn out of guilt over her role in his stroke. In fact, the only two times she’s referenced Quinn and Berlin this season, she’s talked about saving him. She sees herself as his savior; pretty much the opposite of guilt. 

Well, it’s hard to dethrone S4, but S6 is giving it a run for its money in our esteem. I think I found the S4 plot more engaging and I liked the supporting characters better, but being a Quinn fan above all else, I love what a huge role he has this season. 

I love how they’re using his condition to drive the plot; how they’re complicating his character with backstory and new flaws and struggles. Quinn is getting protagonist-level development this season and it’s quite amazing. It’s really more than I ever expected. 

I also love Carrie this season. She’s becoming the kind of person I always knew she could be.