Highlights from Rohan Stevenson's Interview with The Ladies of Lake (podcast)
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Note: I've included some rough timestamps if you want to listen to a specific bit of the podcast. They're not accurate to the second, but they will get you to the relevant bit.
"Temp Love"
[6:30] Rohan says he and Rob Lane (the other composer) sometimes had a lot of trouble shifting the directors away from the temp music (the placeholder music used to establish the mood/tempo of a scene in the early editing stages). The directors often got attached to the temp music and found it difficult to go for something too different (a phenomenon known in the industry as âtemp loveâ). Temp music used for Merlin included scores from Lord of the Rings, Batman, and other music with an epic feel â but, as the series went on, the temp music used was often Rob and Rohanâs own music from previous episodes. That is why a lot of music ended up being re-used, which Rob and Rohan found frustrating (it was also one of the reasons why they were not involved in season 4 and 5).
Crazy Schedule
[9:50] Merlin was a surprise success and the schedule got âpretty crazyâ. The composers ended up working with some incredibly tight deadlines (Rohan mentions sending stuff off "on 5 o'clock on a Friday for a dub due to be screened the following day"), which was very stressful. [12:50] Since the editors used temp music for the cuts, the composers would need to match the tempo of the temp music when writing their cues(*) in order to make the edits work (âtemp chasingâ). Given the tight schedule, this wasnât always a negative thing, as it could save a lot of time during the ideation/writing process.
Finding InspirationÂ
[14:30] Rohan describes Merlin as âoperaticâ â which is why they drew inspiration from anything with a kind of operatic vibe, such as John Williams's music and his Star Wars score ("space opera"), and The Lord of the Rings â even Donnie Darko was used as temp music, and Rohan used it as a starting point to write his own version of an ominous beat. The producer of episode 3x06 (The Changeling) told Rohan that the vibe to go for in that episode was âPrincess Brideâ, which helped him immensely.
Going on Set
[18:00] Rohan and Rob didn't actually get to go to the set much. Occasionally, they did some recording in Prague, which was an opportunity for them to get together. When they were still working on S1, Rohan very nearly missed a recording session in Prague after missing his flight due to a fire at Heathrow. Apart from these occasions, the co-working process between him and Rob consisted mostly in âa lot of shouting down the telephoneâ (âThere were some shouting matchesâ he recalls, laughing). Rohan was however invited to the set by Anthony Head, whom he describes as âa lovely manâ.
[20:00] Generally, composers donât need to be present on set, unless itâs for something like music supervision, when there is music being played live. He talks about working on a documentary on prehistoric sounds and having to go to Stonehenge to supervise some drummers during a midnight shoot, which was great (it was "all set with mysterious lightning and smoke going through Stonehenge", something you probably wouldn't be able to do now).
Meeting the Cast
[21:15] When asked about his favourite memory of working on Merlin, Rohan recalls being invited to the BFI (British Film Institute) for a Merlin presentation, where he played "the wrong kind of music" on the piano to accompany Arthur and Gwenâs scene in 2x02 (âI played it a bit like a tango, for a laughâ). On that occasion he met the Merlin cast, including Katie McGrath, whom he describes as âmad as a bat â but gorgeousâ.
Favourite Composers
[27:00] Rohan and Rob grew up idolising the great âoperaticâ film composers, such as John Williams, Bernand Hermann, MiklĂłs RĂłzsa, Gerry Goldsmith. In fact, it was Star Wars that got Rohan into composing. Rohan gave Rob a handwritten score of Return of the Jedi for his 40th birthday â and a little bit of Parade of the Ewoks, a piece from this film, âfound its way into the score⌠just a little bit, about four bars.â(**)
[30:00] Rohan says his all time favourite film score is How To Train Your Dragon (âItâs unbelievable. Itâs genius from bar one to the endâ). Other all time favourite scores are Signs and, of course, Star Wars.
[31:50] Rohan says he was always into music, but when people ask him what inspired him to become a composer he loves to tell the story of how he became obsessed with the high-hat part in Dancing Queen (the bit âjust between the chorus and the verseâ) when he was 3-4 years old, and how he begged his mom to get him some cymbals because he wanted to reproduce that sound (âThey wonât produce that sound â you need a high-hat, not cymbals. But she didnât know thatâ). When asked if he found inspiration in classical music, he says he was âvery taken with the whole story of Beethoven, to the point that I used to take myself off for walks in the countryside because thatâs what he didâ.
The Original Theme
[31:50] The opening theme we all know and love wasnât the one originally written for the show â there was an alternative one. The opening theme Rob originally wrote sounded very close to Buckbeakâs Flight from the Prisoner of Azkaban â so much so that Rohan told Rob: âYouâre not going to get away with that!â So Rob wrote a theme similar to the one we know, but in a major key. Eventually they settled on that theme in a minor key (âit was more dramaticâ).
MIDI vs Live Instruments
[42:00] Bit of a technical question from a fan about using MIDI for the soundtrack instead of recording players and singers. This was partly due to the budget but also to the huge amount of music that needed to be produced â itâs a huge undertaking to prepare all parts, get them to the performers, record them, etc. They tried to use live instruments as much as possible, mostly to play the lead line or to play over the MIDI (a practice known as sweetening). Sometimes they also did it in reverse, by sweetening an orchestral performance with MIDI. But it was easier and quicker to tweak the music as needed to suit a scene when using samples. âA lot of the score is actually sampled â probably more than you think.â
Arthur and Gwenâs "Love Theme" and the Producersâ Influence
[50:00] Arthur and Gwenâs âlove themeâ was originally written by Rohan for Lancelot in episode 1x05 (note: it can be heard towards the end of the episode, when Lancelot leaves Camelot). Rob and Rohan would often expand on each otherâs themes while working on an episode, and this is what happened here, since it was Rob who worked on episode 2x02. Robâs âlittle touchâ to Rohanâs original cue was to put the violin âover the topâ, to give it more of a romantic flavour for Arthur and Gwenâs kiss scene(***).
Originally, Rob had written something different for this scene â a piece with a choir. The producers decided they wanted to use the theme Rohan had previously written for Lancelot instead. âThey got a lot of confidence out of making that call, because it was the right call â it worked really well.â Unfortunately, from that moment on the producers started to make more calls about changing some of Rohan and Robâs music âa little too oftenâ.
[55:00] To cite the most egregious example of this, Rohan says that at the end of S3, when Arthur retakes Camelot, the producers used as temp music a cue Rob had previously written, played on a loop. Later, they decided to keep this looped cue as the final music rather than the âbeautifulâ replacement music Rob had written for this scene, which â in Rob and Rohanâs opinion â would've worked much better. Rohan described the music for this scene as âone of the nicest things [Rob] had written in the seriesâ.
[58:00] Rob wrote a few cues for S5 but, apart from those, the producers mostly re-used music from previous seasons.
Rohanâs Opinion of the Music in 2x02
[1:00:00] Despite "a couple of really great moments" and an iconic romantic theme, he doesnât think 2x02 is his and Rob's best episode. He would give it a 2.5 out of 5.
Current Projects
[1:00:02] Rohan is now working on developing his own style of music, which he calls âepic steampunkâ â âSteampunk is a genre with a very distinct visual style, but no one has really defined a musical style for itâ. (He says the score for Loki leans towards it, a little bit.) You can look for Dr Ignatius Cole and the Brassknuckle Steampunk Sinfonia if you're interested â there are 3 albums out already, available on Spotify and Youtube.
Footnotes:
(*) A cue is the basic building block of a film score. Essentially, it is one complete piece of music from start to end, meant to play against a scene or sequence. (Source: x)
(**) Itâs not in Fighting in the Market, although thatâs the scene Rohan mentions right before saying this, but in the Meeting Arthur cue. Compare 0:44-0-54 to 0:48-1:00 in The Parade of the Ewoks. I suppose this was already obvious to someone familiar with the Star Wars soundtrack â in fact, someone already wrote a piece of meta about this and other similarities between Merlinâs OST and John Williamsâs score. (I wonât link to it, but if you Google âMerlin soundtrack Star Wars tumblrâ you should find it easily enough).
(***) The cues in ep 1x05 and 2x02 sound pretty much identical to me, to be honest, except the sound of the violin is a bit âlouderâ in 2x02? I suppose thatâs what Rohan meant.















