Just sticking this here to find it later; discord logs for plotting fic for the AU. Also a reminder that this is what you sign up for by adding me on Discord and actually talking to me about shit.
âCause Iâm thinking, like. Itâd start a month or two after the play in which Celene, in canon, then decides to burn Halamshiral. Start with her PoV thinking back on the declaration and setting the scene
So starting with a flashback?
yeah, that way I donât have to actively write her whole downfall, but I can give enough information that people know what happened and where Iâm diverging from
That or do the flashback from Brialaâs PoV because thatâd be interesting but I feel like that should come later
But that way Celene, Michel, and Briala are already together with the rebellion, get to toy with how Felassan does things, toy with how the Eluvians are found and used to help reclaim the Empire. I feel like it wouldnât end until, like, WEWH? So that instead of Gaspard being the unruly party youâre fixing a different civil war. 'cept then I donât think Gaspard would have thrown a ball
But like, if I write it with Elgara she could be part of the rebellion, sent to the conclave to seek the Divineâs advice or help, end up Inquisitor and in an even better position to help Orlais
Corypheus would have to have a slightly different plan for Gaspard than he did Celene tho
Gaspard may have thrown a ball because thatâs just How Things Are Done In Orlais, but it would have been a much more restricted affair. Much more restrained.
Also I dunno, I imagine âmanipulate Gaspardâs sister into killing her brother and framing the Inquisitionâ makes sense as a plot.
It does but I donât know if that would get him Orlais. Like, wasnât the point supposed to be get Gaspard in power and manipulate the throne through Florienne to help Corypheus? The the level of rebellion and chaos that an actual elven uprising would cause that plan would need at least a little tweaking
Oh no, the plan was chaos.
Like.
The plan was absolutely upheaval in Orlais - remember, the idea was to kill Celene and frame Gaspard for it.
true. And said chaos could be means for Tevinter to come in and take
Leliana even points out that what Corypheus wants is chaos, because it means Orlais canât effectively unite against him/Tevinter.
so yeah, the same plan for chaos could still work, more so because thereâs gonna be more chaos
Exactly. Reframe it as âKill Gaspard and frame Celene for it,â and it still works.
Or even just kill Gaspard. Like the nobles of Orlais arenât gonna unite behind Celene after this even with Gaspard out of the picture and if Celene did assassinate the tyrant then the elves might be even more loyal to her and that could be unifying and stabilizing on that front
No, but the problem is that with Gaspard dead it wonât matter, the succession would fall back on Celene. Killing her ensures a) Florianne is technically the heir and b) no one can look to Celene to lead Orlais.
BUT obviously we donât want Celene dead for the purposes of the fic, but that would make the most sense as a plan of action
So, in other words, the plot of WEWH could be a double assassination, is what youâre saying. And Elgara gets to choose if sheâs saving Gaspard, Celene, both, or neither
So Elgara could, feasibly, let Gaspard die, let Celene back on the throne, and then itâs her and Briala working the shadows of Orlais
Yeah, though of course it would have to be very careful, because Celeneâs rule will be even rockier than it is in canon.
oh absolutely and even then it might not matter. Michel could never leave Celeneâs side because she would constantly be at risk for assassination
Yeah. Yeah.
âŠLord, things will get messy if the truth about his past gets out, too.
I figure the truth bout his past will be shared with Celene, Briala, Elgara, and Thren. But possibly not further than that. Definitely not to the human nobility
But it could mean Michel comes to be at least a little proud of it instead of ashamed like he seems in TME
As he works to help the elves
He and Celene get to actually spend time among the elves and realize that they are people who are struggling, Briala gets to really be confronted by the difference between âpalace servantâ and this and Elgara and Thren facilitate all of that by being born and raised in the slums and having gone two different directions with it
Thren probably hates Elgara at first
Oh almost definitely
Thereâs bitterness there
She willingly became a nobleâs pet I figure theyâll warm to each other, but Thren hates her at first. Elgara only gets as high in the rebellion as she does because of favor from Briala and Celene
Which⊠doesnât do her a lot of favors, necessarily, but she proves her worth
Yeah, sheâs probably significantly doubted by a lot of the rebellion up to WEWH if not continuing after
She keeps proving herself but it makes sense to doubt
Yeah. Itâs kind of a question of how much of her rise is from favor and how much is merit, and everyone questions that.
And yeah, her initial rise is probably mostly favor but itâs based on potential and she keeps proving that
She doesnât mind the doubt, really, she understands
but Elgaraâs one of the one that knows violence isnât going to solve everything in the civil war and is quick to point out when violence isnât the best solution. Itâs why she gets sent to the Conclave
Sheâs important enough to represent the rebellion but low enough that it can survive without her and civil enough to not get heated
And then she becomes Very Important
she sides with the mages and then Rhys and Evangeline hear the rebellion is supporting mages and they come join
Evangeline and Cole could come to warn Haven
I⊠hm. I dunno if Cole would be up to seeing them at that early a juncture?I feel like if they do join the Inquisition itâd have to be after it moves to Skyhold
I mean, yeah, I more mean they could both come running about âHey the Templars are gonna attackâ because they could have been investigating that together. Send Rhys back to Orlais for the rebellion
Or vice versa
I feel like Rhys and Evangeline would be more help to the rebellion tho so they wouldnât stay with the Inquisition(edited)just pop in once in a while with messages if theyâre in the area
My main concern is that Cole might disappear if he sees them that early on
I think it really depends on the circumstances, but thatâs definitely a chance
He very strongly doesnât want to see them again early on
Could be Cole comes to warn and after the relocation Rhys and Evangeline are sent to Skyhold to make sure the rebellion knows where it is and make sure Elgaraâs okay, relay information and then head on back. So Cole can hide easily from them and stay with the Inquisition
eventually probably towards the end of Inquisition, Elgara might piece together the three know each other and ask Cole why he avoids them but thereâs more important shit going on for a while
Yeah, early on it just slips through the cracks
and itâs not exactly obvious that Cole is Hiding From These Two In Particular
After the Inquisition Elgara would disband it and keep it just the inner circle and go back to Orlais and help keep Celene on the throne. Leliana as Divine and helping where she can
Itâd help that some of Lelianaâs decrees match Celeneâs decrees before she lost power initially
well âhelpâ
Elgaraâd be a rogue and bard in this AU but sheâs a warrior and Champion in actual canon