#rattymaple

I just went on a ramble but....... first... Do you mean P5 in general? Or just P5S?

Ngl this is one of the times I was getting P3 Makoto mixed up with P5 Makoto. At least I'm 90% sure you are talking about P5 Makoto sakfdjf

It's not my fault I think that, it's the way she dances (and the fact she fits that Eminem song a little too well, with it's beat being something that fits with club style songs). Are her songs more low fi? Maybe Price....that being said, I get second hand embarrassment when she's on screen dancing to those songs (same with Ryuji)....so I guess I just don't find either of the songs danceable.....or find her dancing fits them (obvie it's all my opinion, not stating it as fact).

I think they were trying to give her more powerful moves because she's the "dance fighter" of P5D (to contrast Chie and Akihiko), and it feels kinda like krumping which.....I don't think fits low fi (club is more it's speed imo).

Of course bias be known, it might just be my circles being very vague but I do feel like P5, while for different reasons, gets the fandom punching bag bullshit to a worse degree. But that's also more or less because the internet's general culture in feel his shifted for the worse, so now you have stuff like twitter blogs dedicated to mocking fans who show passion in odd ways that ultimately don't hurt anyone. Or stuff like the struggle twitter.

No not Chile. DX jdklafsj; jk jk

Yeah, as much as I like Erin as a VA, I don't like her for Chie. Tracey!Chie just hits different and is A LOT more mellow. She still had energy but not like......a sugar hyped squirrel.

Ironically her aggression is always aimed at aggressors/oppressors (or just someone wronging someone else). Take the bullies in her SL. And even then it's mostly just her getting in your face. And she only gets in your face if......I guess you could say obvious injustice happening....like bullying (or you know.....forcibly signing her up for something she is forced to do). But yeah the anime took that....fairly human level character trait and RAMPED IT UP TO THE HEAVENS ....then brought it a back down to a more manageable level for the spinoffs (a better fate than her love for meat or Aki's protein shake now-trait u_u F in the chat for Fsteak orz).

I'd argue that the feelings towards games made into anime's weren't exactly positive during P4's anime time either. I remember a lot of people being worried because it already had a stigma. THAT BEING SAID, as an adaptation representing/reflecting/trying to be accurate to the game, P4's isn't great. As an adaptation that's making changes to attempt to tell a semblance of P4's story? Esp to someone who's never played P4? It does a decent job as an entry point for people who have never played. Like it's coherent enough. Does it change vital things? Yeah. Will newcomers notice? No. Will they at least get something that resembles competent media? To them yeah. To me? I still deal with the sins every day, it's my cross to bear. u_u

P5 got lucky that Persona became mainstream and it helped make it EVEN MORE mainstream, so when it's anime rolled around everyone was calling BS on it. Shame we couldn't have......something good come out of it. (If only Daybreakers was longer u_u)

I prefer to separate the characterizations. Like I don't mind multiple, but I wanna be fair to the char I wanna judge them base off of the original characterization. Like I've read the OG .hack books from Blackrose's perspective, so I sympathize with her. But I really should play the games so I can see her original characterization (without looking through her lens). I'm afraid I might not her as much (from what other's have said) but I can still maintain a separation of "I like the novel, but the OG source I don't like her from the outside perspective). So with Chie I'd rather people be like "I hated her in the anime, tho I know she's diff in the game and I'm glad for that, but at the same time I still have the negative association with the anime counterpart so I know it's that coloring my perspective....still not gonna like her tho." And that's fine. Just stop the smear campaign, I can't take it anymore! DX She didn't do anything wrong she just kicked shadows and saved my ass let her live! *sobs*

I do agree with the punching bag thing. I do see P5 becoming more and more of a punching bag..... I.... don't have any idea why (except "cringe" *eyeroll*). I know the reasons for P4 (and I do think that was....VERY unfair for P4). It feels more like people just want to mock P5 because it's popular. I don't like that the more I see it. Obviously I'm not a fan of P5, I'll tear it to shreds every chance I feel like (like on my own terms not like....cause someone's enjoying it, that's just rude). But what I won't do is shame someone for liking it (maybe IRL I'll say it as a joke with obvious joking inflection, and I'll clarify it's a joke, but that's it). You have every right to like P5, as I have every right to like P4. We also have every right to peel back and look into both games positively and negatively.

But yeah I feel like a lot of the punching stuff is....just being jerk to fans. P4 was misinfo being spread (same can be said about the FeMC, I swear I see one more brain dead take about her music on "fitting" I'm shoving a CD player up someone's ass and using their mouth as a gramophone). It feels more like people rag on P5 cause "fans like it" and "cringe." And????? Like????? There's a lot you can say that's wrong with P5......but why.....THAT? The fans did nothing wrong. And "cringe?" Fuck that. Embrace the cringe. What are we in middle school? Oh no can't like that, Timmy the "cool kid" with all his friends dictated that's not a cool thing to like. Well *gets in close to microphone* screw Timmy and his friends, like what you want. As long as you aren't hurting anyone it's fine. And last time I checked, liking P5 won't hurt anyone.

Narrator: She says, while in reality, every time someone states they like P5, her soul gets punched.

Jk jk. I do actually still recommend P5 to people (tho nowadays I really push to play P3/4 first if that's within reason for the person...... not cause I think they are better than P5, but 1) you appreciate the Igor twist more, 2) it's easier to so the combat going forward than backward so I'm thinking that's probs more helpful but that's just me thinking of the most optimal experience in enjoying all 3 games)

"But Silly, I still like the thing but I don't want people bothering me because it's deemed cringe!" Then be like me, make a separate account and vibe. I recently got back into a thing I liked back in middle school and it's 100% deemed as cringe....like wherever you go (I don't care it's a dumpster fire, it keeps me warm and happy....it's my dumpster fire uwu). And I just wanted to vibe and enjoy the content the renaissance was getting without 1) getting bs thrown at me for liking it, 2) not flooding my main blog which is def Persona (and Megaten) themed cause y'all wouldn't want to see that.)

You just gotta curate your experience on the internet. Do what best protects your sanity.

(was gonna end it there but omg it really is annoying, I keep seeing people just being jerks to fans cause they like the game and it's like sir....your on the negative side but do you even know the actual faults of the damn game? Or are you just being a jerk because you weren't hugged enough growing up? Cause that's not a P5/P5 fan problem, that something you should get checked out instead problem >_> Have a discussion not be a fucking dick god)

On one hand, I'm not infallible, I can get annoyed at times with some fans, even tho I don't think we should target fans (so I try to just distance myself from it when I can).

But yeah, even tho I follow the struggle accounts (at this point I dunno why I'm following them half the time, some just retweet fanart at this point which is fine, sometimes it's just news so that's probably why at this point, and one usually just shares "oops Atlus being Atlus look at that typo!" or someone submitting their own oopsies like "I was getting ready for this boss but I accidentally hit guard when I wanted to heal and my whole party got wiped! :(" which is def a oof struggle that I can get behind). But when it's like "oh look a Persona fan has an opinion on something not related to Persona >.>" I'm not vibbing with it. (tho I feel like some of them it feels like their pointing at the people making fun of persona fans cause they're persona fans....aka being on the side of Persona fans and saying that other people shouldn't be treating them poorly cause they are Persona fans....unless I'm misinterpreting the tweets klfjsdalkfja orz *sobs*)

But I'm picky choosy with discussions. Here it's the wild west go for it. Wanna debate if Ryuji has a pickle fetish? Sure let's go (I literally just made that up I don't think he actually has one fkldjaslkf). Back before I started posting my more negative P5 thoughts on here I was on a diff message board working my issues out with the narrative, and that was all in all an ok place (learned some things about the gameplay meta of all the games), haven't gone there in a bit but maybe for P6 or something who knows. When it comes to twitter it's mostly ppl I know and it's not usually revolving around something negative (because...............twitter is a hell scape when it comes to that....similar to tumblr from like 2012-2015 tbh).

I really wanna discuss the content when I discuss, I really don't want people to point and be like "Oh god look they're having fun with their content :/ Let's point and laugh" Maybe I wanna bitch about where P5 went wrong (and maybe how it could've avoided that issue) or maybe I wanna gush about how Mitsuru has so much potential and juicy story elements that go unexplored. Or why Metis is the best "positive shadow" representation yet and why she should be allowed to do what she wants (she shouldn't but I would let her). Or comparing/contrasting the P3 routes and the MCs. Or the really strong points of P4 as well as straightening out issues people had that....weren't issues (or were blown out of proportion thanks to the anime/misinfo).

Funny how you and @adhoption independently discovered a two-day-old post within half an hour of each other.

I don’t want to go into terribly much detail, but suffice to say my current plans involve me becoming the absolute worst kind of capitalist...

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I think it's fair to say that the main storyline is no longer my primary concern when playing these games. But I'll keep that in mind.