you know people claim that ozpin not telling them everything is manipulation when lets be honest and compare it to a general in a war there will be information they will have to keep confidential and things they may have to do not telling your soldiers that isnt manipulation you dont owe them the secrets you are keeping just because they are risking their lives in a war because secrets are dangerous and lying about not keeping secrets anymore doesnt make it manipulation
That’s always been my position. The group is smart, fully capable of critical thinking skills. Just because Ozpin never sat them down and went “I’m your leader now” doesn’t mean they can’t figure that out along with all the implications of their situation. They know that being a huntsmen is a job with an hierarchy attached to it. They know that they’re fighting a literal war. They know Ozpin was in charge at school and took charge now–something they didn’t challenge because who doesn’t like someone else shouldering responsibility and calling the hard shots? At least until they decide something you don’t like…They know that all the connected information (like Maidens and relics) is kept secret and they agree that it should be kept secret because they understand the danger attached to information like this. They see a much older, much more trusted ally betray him in the worst way. They know Raven did the same. Ozpin then overtly tells them that there have been others and right now I’m not sure if I can trust you yet, given all these circumstances.
Yes, Ozpin said no more secrets. He shouldn’t have lied. But the group is also smart enough to realize that giving a promise demanded on the spot by an irrationally angry former student who just arrived when you think you’ll only need her help to quickly check on the relic… is a rather different scenario than the one the group painted in their heads. If they’re mature enough now to have this secret in the first place, then they’re mature enough to consider their actions in light of all this. At the very least retroactively. It’s one thing to let emotions cloud judgement and make a terrible mistake. It’s something else entirely to not recognize that as a mistake days later.
