Summary
Here is a shorted version of my theory if you whant to know more then you can check out the full version on the directory below.
So, first part of the theory i need to prove is the most to all of. The members the patron minette are old enough to be the same. Men that seduced fantine and here freands. We know that the events portrayed between fantine and Felix happen in 1817, witch is about 15 - 13 years before the robbery and. We know that the men where in there 30's at the time. Witch for Victorian standards was considered young. The turm young man refers at the time to a man between 15 - 30.
It is just hugo being himself. He likes letting you put things together. For example how do we know that mr. Madeline is jean valjean. It is through hints. Like he gives to children that come through or his strength we are largely left to put this together until it becomes plot relevant to address him as valjean again. So letting us put the peaces together would be in hugos style, his way of letting us know something the caricters do not.
Thenardiers primary scam is to beg for money, pretending to be a variety of people. Witch does not bring in much money. He clearly doesn't have enough to feed his family. Eponine describes having to eat the street to survive. He only goes after more active targets when he is motivated by cossette having been taken away from him. But why would he care so much the valjean is the man who took cossette away. He cares enough to go after him twice. Why he doesn't care about cossette. The best explanation that I can come up with is that they are operating on simulator motive. How you might ask. Because Montparnasse is Felix tholomyes and he wants his daughter back.
might look at there relations with women and love something I will definitely come back to more in depth later so I will just tuch on the subject. Basically neither of them seem to value romantic attraction more valuing sexual desires. Especially in the way thay leave women with out regards for there emotions. Like the felix and the girls of 1817 or babet leaving a wife a children or Montparnasse raping and murdering his way through the parission population. This basic disrespect of the comsept of respect and romance pervades them. Witch lines up with them being the same people just further down a road.
he is the quiteest of both groups. In 1817 he says not but three lines but starts massive page long conversations. When he say "i perfer women." This sparks a conversation that lasts pages but thet is his only contribution. Then later claquesous is described "Claquesous is a nocturne for two voices" and "none was sure that he had a voice, as his stomach spoke more frequently than his voice." Witch lines up with listolier simple words thet have massive consequences but are as if throne out by air. Yet he is the one seemingly guiding the hole conversation as if he simply whispered it in to existence.
Dynamic: he is one of the loudest of both groups. He plays with the girls. He is idealized by favorite. So i would make sense that she marry him and that he abandoned her and her children. Besides felix and fatine they seem to the two most in love, an element explicitly in the novel: He had been married and had had children. He did not know what had become of his wife and children. He had lost them as one loses his handkerchief.chevelle keeps favorite thus:This called forth a question from Blachevelle:--"What would you do, Favourite, if I were to cease to love you?""I!" cried Favourite. "Ah! Do not say that even in jest! If you were to cease to love me, I would spring after you, I would scratch you, I should rend you, I would throw you into the water, I would have you arrested."Blachevelle smiled with the voluptuous self-conceit. So i doubt the would just abandon her with out having his fill of her. The way he argues with the rest of the group aslo remains the same. Babet is the one who speaks the most to ingashate during the robbery. He seem to more there leader than Montparnasse. This is also true in 1817. Leading the boys as much as tholomyes or Montparnasse talk blachevelle or babet seem the power hind each group
both are portrayed as very Cavalier riding ruffshawed over others. Both seem to be literally educated as they make references to poplar literature of the day. But he misunderstands the point of the books they reference.
though not directly the leader of eather group, blachevelle or babet leading both the robbery and the 1817 party, he is one of the loudest. Felix is dispationate, believing in joy over passion and poetry, saying, "Excess of zeal ruins peach-trees and apricot-trees." And Montparnasse is the same "genteel, effeminate, graceful, robust, sluggish, ferocious." A distinctly un poetic kind of person. Caring only for the Rude pleasures of life. He demonstrate the love and caring in a meaningful way seem to beyond his ability in both version. Felix playing with fantine feeling from distant vantage and Montparnasse murdering and raping his way through the female population of paris. Montparnasse chief desire.", the height of elegance is idleness; idleness in a poor man means crime" and witch is the life thet felix leaves. He wishs to be part of high society and to have do nothing he must do or strive to. Witch goes along with felix's ideas of mondratiom and elegance. Reading through felix's speech, the idea of style and fashion comes up multiple time. Witch alines perfectly with Montparnasse desires and goals when he says "No haste, gentlemen. Let us mingle majesty with the feast." He likes women and feasting in fine clothes and drink. This being his obsession he would kill to have it.
(This post was neer impossible to find single section of to use because it goes into the eath woman individually, so here is the introduction)
Women are an intangeril part of the both the patron minette's story and the part of the story that takes place 1817. The names of this girls also holds significance with in my theory of the patron minette identity.
The parallel argument: this has some ground. In that one translatetion I found sights Montparnasse as twenty but couldn't find a second sorce on that. Even if thay are not the very same people they are parallels, victor hugo likes repeating characters with slight changes in order to show, the how much circumstance can change our perception of a caricter. Like enjolras and javert. Both believe in justice decriing there method of achieving it as absolutely right and just. One is treated as a hero because he is hot and a revolutionary and the other is not. We rediderates the idea of complacency as the central sin of the book. One with is at lest paralleled across the 1817 storyline and the patron minette's. Seemingly saying that sutch groups of young men whos only ambitions are pleasure will come again and again to up hold the social organization. With would be an interesting idea so. I can exept being rong because thinking of them as parallels is equally interesting.
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