So this was my first time calling into #LBC to have a chat, itās not particularly good lol and there is some nervous laughter as I try to compose myself. The topic of discussion was loosely on sheep race banning, but I heard James say certain things that I wanted to address in the greater context of veganism. To be clear this guy did imply that it was veganism as a whole and not just sheep race banning that was being wrongly prioritised because he said something like āwhen x human issues are going on why should we care about the cow or the pig?ā etc, so he did dodge that first question entirely by denying he said anything to that effect. He also made a strawman out of the argument I was about to make but couldnāt actually finish off cos James loves the sound of his own voice lol and decided to derail the discussion towards sports day and how important it is to make kids exerciseš¹šhahahah oh James, my whole point was that we donāt make kids participate in sports and exercise for OUR entertainment lol cos that would be creepy and the unethical treatment of sentient beings⦠oh! Sounds like something else I was saying as well doesnāt it? How about that. Look what happens when people are allowed to finish their point. Lol that was pretty revealing, he had come apart intellectually, and itās that he *did* know what I was saying, but he wanted to deceitfully invalidate my argument by derailing it lol. What I didnāt get to mention: 1) the #namethetrait argument which would have forced James to be intellectually honest, and 2) addressing his earlier point on the conundrum we face if we stop torturing, enslaving and killing animals to use and eat, they would never have the opportunity to exist, so weāre doing them a favour lol šš¤£ next time, James. š Iāll come better prepared.