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In the comic version of UtRH, Dick fought Red Hood before the reveal... and it's suggested Bruce didn't let any of the others know. And then at the end of the comic, you have the destruction of Bludhaven that put Dick in a coma for about a month

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Oh gosh

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oof

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So, Dick comes to, deals with the destruction of his city, learns his younger brother is somehow alive and a criminal

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Jason being a strigoi mort would explain a lot

Especially if his dip in the pit changed his nature further

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And trying to figure out how to reconcile his brother, who (depending on comic version) he'd given his Robin costume to with the hulking dangerous crime lord

One of the things in the Red Hood: the Lost Days that strikes me as very odd... after Talia threw him in the Pit and restored his mind, her explanation to him, before pushing him off a cliff, is "you remain unavenged"

She basically triggered his obsessive... need regarding that....

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guess to make him go back to gotham? ??

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The one thing that really bothers me regarding Talia in that story line is she goes from "you haven't been avenged" to (indirectly) "oh, he's going to try to kill my beloved... and I'm going to stall him, but not stop him... while giving him training to be more dangerous"

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So you're saying this all could've been fixed if they stuck garlic under his tongue

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Hahahaha!!!!!

Maybe

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LOL

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Specifically garlic flowers or even rose branches

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Post-pit, it might not have even killed him :dick_laugh:

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so talia makes a mess doesnt fix it but just delays it

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Yes

Like, Jason before his training starts (that he's aware of)... goes to Gotham, and plants a bomb on the underside of the batmobile

Bruce never knew

Until long after Jason retreated because Jay thought it was too easy

Bruce wouldn't have known he's the one who planted it

..... I miss scheming Jason...

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Now I want to see a fic where Dick sees Jason and just knows he's a strigoi mort

But Bruce doesn't believe him

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Dick is Romani... not Romanian

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Okay, please set me straight

Because I currently don't know the difference

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While there are similar legends in the Romani, I'd have to go digging for specifics

Romani is the correct terminology for gypsy

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Huh

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I don't know if correct is accurate, but that's what they call themselves and most wish to be called that

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So we don't actually know where he comes from other than the circus

Or Damien either, now that we think about it 🤔

Heritage wise

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Other than a form of Middle Eastern, not really

I don't think Talia's given a specific country... and Ra's is several hundred years old

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Nanda Parbat is even in Tibet

So is it even necessarily that?

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Possibly, and I'm aware that they have a base in mountains of Switzerland too

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We know so little 👀

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Yeah... the League of Assassins are a newer addition to the lore compared to so many of the other rogues associated with Batman

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Well, for the case of this story, Dick's Mom is Romanian then. I think it's his Dad who is Romani anyway

Or at least so my roommate says

She will join the server eventually >:)

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Lol

Perhaps that's it

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There's probably a pretty large blend of cultures in the circus, so you'd probably be able to explain it away as a story someone else in the circus told him

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That's very true!! Forgot about that aspect

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So either way, for bullcrap plot reasons, let's say he recognizes Jason as a strigoi mort

Bruce refuses to tolerate the idea

So Dick, Tim, and Alfred come up with a plan behind his back

Alfred is open minded about things like this

Tim is desperate to explain away his childhood hero's actions

...how they do it, I'm not sure

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So.... traditionally, the only way you destroy one is... to destroy the heart

Physically destroy the heart

If a person has become ill from said Strigoi... sometimes the heart is burned and the ashes are mixed with a drink or food as a type of remedy

But they can also be trapped in the coffin... which doesn't destroy them... but the uh... techniques are something

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In this one, I'm thinking of Jason having a more general doing-bad-things-to-them effect instead of illness

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Gotcha

In some lore... strigoi and other revenants/vampires have 2 hearts

or 2 souls

it's the presence of the 2nd one that triggers the situation

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And since Jason went through the pit, maybe some of the prevention methods would work

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Maybe

Again, rose branches

Mountain ash

garlic, specifically the flowers

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So we can either tear a second heart out of his chest, or we could do one of those

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(as a random side note, I have an absolute hatred of garlic flowers. They look so stupid)

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To each their own

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They also come in white

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I think they're kinda cute

But anyway

They catch him off guard and stick one of those things in his mouth

Bam

Pit rage cured

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Lol

So simple. Oh, maybe it's something that has to be done regularly

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Because the pit rage was just the strigoi mort-ness

"You must take your medicine this morning, Master Jason"

"...but those taste nasty Alfie"

"Would you rather turn back into a rude rage monster then, Master Jason?"

"Fine! Give me the dang flowers!"

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That whole exchange reminded me of the Snickers commercials

Roses probably taste better than the garlic flowers

and that raw garlic can cause legitimate burns on the skin

... there are things I know... because of medicine, that I wish I didn't know

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Let's go with roses instead of garlic flowers then

rose branches specifically, right?

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Yes - the branches were placed on graves to prevent things from crawling out of them

because thorns

There's a specific word I'm looking for that it falls under... only it's a nicer form of it

Give me a sec

It can be considered an Apotropaic

Which is an object or practice designed to keep things in the grave

But there's another word I want

Maschalismos

That's it

Maschalismos is specifically the practice of preventing a corpse from getting out of the grave... it's something... you have something as simple as placing something on the grave like a thorny plant.... burying someone face down... or more... uh.... interesting things

.... I've spent a lot of time looking up revenant and vampire folklore

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