#ivanposting

Like istg the way SOME ppl treat Ivan is...a little off, so to speak.

Yes, queerbaiting in k-pop is super common but it does NOT apply to Ivantill as Ivan canonically has feelings for Till.

There's almost this strange sort of dismissal I notice in the fandom with him that feels rlly strange (I don't mean dismissing his feelings for Till, as such, but rather of Ivan and Till's complex dynamic/ him as an individual)

I also think the whole 'the crowd are all gonna be female!' makes a lot of sense but for them all to be fujoshis??? I would much rather they explored something a little deeper than that like saesang fans or abusive managers (and the rampant homophobia against gay men for Ivan which, shock horror, is rlly common).

Its just kinda weird that if you talk about Mizisua (a lesbian ship) or Hyuluka (a straight ship) nobody bats an eye but as soon as it's about Ivan and Till ur a creepy yaoi addict???

Yes, fujoshi's can be pretty damn annoying but to explore that of all things? Idk it just seems a bit stupid considering the weight of the first part and almost takes away from what we've been shown so far.

Idk, it's just the treatment of Ivan in this fandom sometimes leaves a bad taste in my mouth, escpecially considering I've been surrounded by queer people my entire life (which includes gay men that are very dear to me) and it almost feels like ppl pretend gay men don't exist outside of yaoi.