inspirement replied to your post âi made popcorn and it tastes like soap why does even the simplest...â
The question now is...are you still eating it?
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inspirement replied to your post âi made popcorn and it tastes like soap why does even the simplest...â
The question now is...are you still eating it?
yes..Â

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Hey FYI, the film has been moved to 3:50pm! - sagansense
oh, thank you for that! hopefully that doesn't mean i miss the panel as i have a class at 5:30pm.
Science cultists? What year are you living in? It's 2014 and this fundamentalism/extremism is still very much present in this society, distracting from actual education and progress. Yes, we most certainly can learn from history, I do everyday, as I'm reading Galileo's Daughter by Dava Sobel, as well as other literature I have in my library on the same era. Posts like that do not validate ignorance, they seek to overcome it. You, however, are coming off like an apologetic.
My usual test audiences actually took bets on how long it would take for someone who missed the point of my post to call me, a Jewish scientist who is publicly critical of past Christian wrongs, a Christian apologist.
The answer is ten minutes! Â Collect your winnings at the ticket window.
Science needs to exist in a constant realm of self-doubt, contextualized by fact.  This has been a central tenet of Philosophy of Science since Francis Bacon.  When people who purport to be scientists or science supporters come to spurious conclusions based on dubious fact, the appropriate response is not to say âwell, fundamentalism is a problem today, so we shouldnât criticize the people who decry it.â
In fact, anti-Science fundamentalism as we know it today, namely as a mainstream view in Christian religious culture, was not a fact of the past.  Being religious in the past did not necessarily mean being anti-Science, and attacking the religions of the past for the sins of todayâs religious people isnât helping in the fight to defeat modern dogmatics.
Itâs just wasting everyoneâs time, because itâs easy to demonstrate why these arguments are ignorant of history and context.  Since it is unlikely that any of the people responsible for that fundamentalism will ever read those words, what it amounts to is not actually anything beyond historiographic auto-fellatio on the part of people who seek to use science as validation for the insecurities they feel about their beliefs.
If the true goal is to advocate for science, then the people doing this would not start off by violating a central scientific tenet.  Sadly, the goal here is not actually to advocate for science, but to vilify religion, which I find utterly tedious.  Vilifying religion is not helping with the problem youâre stating; in fact it makes it harder for science educators to reach modern religious people.
It is you who are being an apologist by defending behavior that is counterproductive to the goal of science advocacy as if somehow unscientific perspectives are a ânecessaryâ evil in a âfightâ against fundamentalism. Â That view is reminiscent of the Christian view that Satan is constantly at war with God. Â I donât recognize it as logical thinking, because it isnât.
We need to stop caring what people think about God, and start caring what they know about science. Â In order to achieve that goal, we need to stop the association between science and the vilification of religion.
Since religion is untestable at present, the proper scientific attitude towards it should be indifference, not anger or counter-advocacy. Scientists need to respond to challenges from modern religious fundamentalists, without anger or condemnation, but instead with indifference and apathy.
Science is above these petty arguments. Â Stop dragging it down into them.
Hey there, this is sagansense! Thanks for the recommendation on the Mary Roach post, I must admit I have passed up "Packing for Mars" several times and now I have such a huge library to work through; however, I'm more than overly intrigued by this, I'll definitely be picking this up, thanks*
No problemo!  I love recommending her books to people.  I still love Stiff even though it's graphic and a bit gross.  :D  But Packing for Mars was fantastic and so packed full of awesome stuff.  :D
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inspirement replied to your post: I live in NYC why havent I met Michio Kaku yet?
He makes effective use of the metropolitan worm holes