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I don’t know how you tkkrs can watch this Live, listen to all that was said and still think that taekook are a couple because of 5seconds of eye contact and clear awkwardness because they didn’t know what to talk about. You claim that jikookers ignore Jimin being a 3rd wheel? What is there to ignore when people not only watch actions but also listen to what is being said? We literally find out that Jimin and Jk came back from the concert together and were eating chicken together when Tae started his Live. Jikook were eating together while Tae was eating by himself. What a great boyfriend Tae has. Also, Jimin showed up instead after Tae asked for Jk and at some point, Tae didn’t even know if Jk was going to come there or not.

Y’all watched this Vlive and concluded that it had to be taekook and Jimin was 3rd wheeling because according to y’all Jk was trying not to look at Tae’s thighs and because of 5seconds of awkward eye contact between TK cuz of the dead silence but u closed your ears to everything that was said? How do y’all explain Jk coming back from the concert with Jimin and eating with him while his “boyfriend” ate alone? How do y’all explain Jimin mentioning that Jk visits his hotel room 3 times a day and even comes at 1:50am and Jk not denying it but going on to say he does that because he gets lonely by himself? How do y’all explain Tae mentioning that he went to Jimin’s room and thought it was Jk’s because Jk answered the door? How do y’all explain Jimin giving Jk the side eye when taekook spoke about doing a song together which he didn’t know about? Did u ask yourself why Jimin would give Jk that look? Only Jk and not Tae? (A song we now know was never in the making cuz taekook were bluffing, the same way Jk bluffed about Tae giving him an expensive present). How do y’all explain Jimin talking to Tae about him and Jk like they are a unit and saying “We haven’t showered yet?” If you were Tae would u sit there and watch your friend talking about “we haven’t showered yet” while referring to himself and your boyfriend? You sit here asking how jokers can watch the live an still ship taekook, well maybe because unlike y’all, Jokers actually pay attention not only to what they think they see but also everything that comes out of the members mouths.

Now ask yourselves why on earth Jk will feel the need to visit another man’s room 3 times a day and even at 1am when he should be cuddling his “boyfriend”? Then he goes on to say it’s cuz he is lonely by himself. Why should someone whose boyfriend is right there feel lonely enough to visit another man’s hotel room that many times a day and even at ungodly hours of the night? Didn’t u hear this or are u going to call them liars again or say Jimin just said that so TK are not obvious?

Did you ask yourselves why on earth Jk will be in another man’s hotel room so much that even his “boyfriend” thought the other man’s room was Jk’s? Or are u once again going to call Tae a liar? Cuz from this two things were clear. Jk was in Jimin’s room alot and Tae didn’t know his own boyfriend’s hotel room.

Did you ask yourself why on earth Jimin would be bold enough to tell Tae that he and Tae’s boyfriend haven’t showered yet? Talking about them two like they are a unit? How utterly disrespectful will that be to Tae? And why on earth would Tae put up with such disrespect?

Unless y’all want to call Jimin, Tae and Jk liars you cannot honestly sit here asking why Jikookers still ship Jikook after that Vlive when you also ignored everything that was said during that live cuz nothing that was said could make anyone think taekook are the couple. Nothing!

Also, what kind of horny freaks do you think taekook are who according to y’all can’t keep their eyes away from each other’s thighs? If tk have been together for as long as y’all claim don’t you think they’ll atleast be able to control themselves infront if the cameras? It’s funny how how y’all continue to read into things forgetting that so many factors could come into play which will explain why that Live was so awkward and why there was what you think was sexual tension with Taekook. Jk is a good friend to Tae and all the other members and at that particular time he paid attention to Tae who called him cuz he needed him. That is what friends do people it has absolutely nothing to do with Jk wanting Tae or vice versa. If Jk wanted Tae as much as y’all think he would’nt have been spending every waking moment in another man’s hotel room. If he wanted Tae, he wouldn’t leave his “boyfriend” alone at 1:50 am to go knock on another man’s hotel room door. If he wanted Tae, he won’t be doing Lives at 8am in the morning insisting to go to another man’s house and shower there, talking about it normally like it something they do all the time. If Jk wanted Tae, he wouldn’t have been hanging out on most nights with Jimin and even stopping Jimin from going to Join Tae’s Lives. If he wanted Tae, he wouldn’t do all the things he does with Jimin (which y’all ignore or find ways to explain away ) cuz that will be straight disrespectful towards Tae. Y’all don’t have the sense to look logically into your own delusions but u want to point fingers at other shippers? Lol. If you want to atleast sound logical, analyze the entire situation and not what suits ur narrative. Don’t pay attention to eye contact and what u think is tension between taekook while clearly ignoring all that was said in the same Live, well not unless ofcourse you think all Taekook and Jimin spend their time doing is lying to fans to “hide” Taekook’s relationship or not look too obvious cuz if u listened to all that they said during the live and even the way everything unfolded, there’s absolutely no way u’ll get out of there thinking Taekook is the couple cuz of eye contact lol.

Some of y’all clearly haven’t been in relationships and have very little life experiences and it shows in the way you view the world and people in it. For y’all Harry Styles concert was a huge moment and was very telling about Taekook cuz they held each other’s hands and leaned into each other while singing. “Such couple behaviour”! Sure! Because taekook are a couple who are out and about and can freely do pda so comfortably without worrying about being outed. Let’s also completely ignore Jk’s painfully shy personality and think that he wouldn’t at all feel a lil uneasy or uncomfortable leaning into his gay partner and holding hands while singing at a concert. Y’all are funny for real. You continue to look at TK with the same lenses you’ll look at a normal couple forgetting that there is absolutely nothing normal about two members of the biggest boy band in the world dating each other, hence u cannot expect normal couple behaviour from then in all settings.

While what convinces you about TK is how natural and comfortable their skinship and touches look and feel, that is what convinces me that there is now way they are a couple. You know why? In their circumstances expecting that level of comfort is extremely unrealistic. There should be panic, hesistance, uneasiness. A clear concience fears no accusations. Taekook can be as touchy feely with each other as they please and you wouldn’t sense any sort of discomfort or uneasiness because those two have nothing to hide. They do not overthink when they are touchy with each other or are glued to each other more than platonic friends should be because there simply is nothing to hide in their relationship.

You think Taekook are the couple because of how u see Taekook interact with each other even when Jimin is right there or when it’s just three of them. Well that is exactly what u should expect when 2 are dating and among 3 friends and they are a couple who are not out and about. The ones who are just friends will have smoother and closer looking interaction than the ones who are dating because they ones who are dating know they have something to hide so they’ll try to hard to be as no challant with each other (or atleast one of them would) so as not to give too much away. The friends who have nothing to hide can be as touchy feely with each other or as glued to each other as they like cuz they have no skeletons in their cupboards.

Did you ever ask yourselves why it only seems that Taekook were usually more glued to each other only in public or infront of the cameras while Jikook seemed to always be together when the cameras were not rolling? How many times has Tae gone Live and mentioned that Jikook were together at ungodly hours of the night? How many times has Hobi mentioned eating with Jikook or being with Jikook during his lives? How many times have the other members mentioned doing something with Jikook as a unit? How many times has even Jk himself in his Lives (B4 chapter two) mentioned either being with Jimin or eating with him or doing something with with him? Yet y’all ignore all these and want to point fingers at jokers for continuing to ship Jikook? Lol. Truth is, no one knows who the real couple is (if at all there is one) but y’all should stop acting like y’all don’t only pay attention to the narratives that suit u.

Anon, your lack of knowledge about Tae and Jk is shining through like nothing else. Come back when you’ve actually looked at tkk footage, or just general footage of BTS, because this is really showing that you have only ever looked at Jkk material and Jkk blogs. I don’t really even care if you start believing in Tae and Jk as a couple.. but even neutrals know that Tae and Jk have very obviously not been shown together much and think they are just awkward (also not true). Seriously, don’t talk about comparing ships when you only have one side of the story.

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I will not be taking anymore commissioned for a bit due to remarkably getting a externship for my college which I have to put in 240 hrs (unpaid btw) by August 21st. I wish to simply focus on that. 

the thing is though, jimin doesn't baby jungkook that much, in fact, they baby each other rather equally and there's an abundance of proof for this.

"So if Hyungs (especially those close in age like Jimin) started to baby him, he did not like that. He must've been fickle at times about it I think."

that's exactly how their dynamic is, jk used to treat jimin like they're same age ever since they met, and jimin called him out tons of times on his lack of honorifics but always in a joking matter, never seriously enough for them to clash. jungkook still talks in banmal to jimin today and jimin finds no issue with it.

"Jimin likes being the older brother though, so I feel that clashed at times in the beginning. The rainy day situation to me points to a clashing in that area."

the rainy day fight happened because jimin tried to tell jungkook (and taehyung) to be better for their hyungs, to have a better attitude, which is something jk lacked in at the time, hence why the fight happened. jk himself admitted that he had a terrible attitude and his ego was hurt because he didn't like getting called out by jimin (who jk doesn't treat like a hyung like the rest) so he lashed out on him forgetting that jimin is older than him, so jimin got mad at him and left. and jk reflected on his actions, swallowed his pride because he cared more about jimin than his own hurt ego, apologized because he didn't wanna lose jimin.

"I think Tae and Jk had less of that, because Tae is less hung up on the hyung situation. Even though Jk might've not wanted to drop honorifics at first.. I feel their relationship started to level out sooner than Jimin and Jk's relationship."

taehyung and jungkook never clash because neither of them care enough to challenge the hierarchy in their dynamic. ever since debut they got along quick because they're the two youngest and they have similar personalities, hence the "we always get scolded together but we never fight", for them to fight their needs to be an emotional depth to their dynamic in the first place. taehyung tried to get jk to drop honorifics with him to make him more comfortable—during the period when they drifted apart—and feel closer to taehyung, but jk refused because he wanted to maintain the hierarchy in their dynamic, which makes you think why he didn't try to challenge it (if taekook are dating) like he did with jimin, who's the same age as taehyung and is supposedly just his hyung like the rest of them? jk fought for his right to drop honorifics with jimin (not in a literal sense cause jimin never really found an issue with it until jk started being rude to him) because he wanted to be jimin's equal in their relationship, that's why he gets to 'scold' him, etc. stuff that he wouldn't get to do if jimin's hyung card had any real weight to it. as opposed to him refusing to be perceived as taehyung's equal so he refused to drop honorifics with him even though taehyung asked him to. he wants taehyung to keep his hyung status. which taehyung actually uses sometimes to make jungkook do stuff for him, like cooking him breakfast (ITS2) or join him on IG live though jk was hesitant, just because "taehyung hyung will take full responsibility". it's evident that taehyung still treats jungkook as a dongsaeng.

not to mention, jungkook and taehyung have nothing to fight about because their bond possibly has no emotional depth or complexity, at least not to the extent tkkrs think they have. "taekook never fight" is not something to brag about because a couple is bound to fight, a couple will always clash about things, especially in the earliest stages of their relationship when they're still figuring out things. taekook hit it off right from the beginning with no issues whatsoever and neither of them tried to challenge the age hierarchy because their bond is a normal hyung-dongsaeng relationship. while jikook had to figure out how to get along with jk—the younger one—insisting to drop honorifics and challenging jimin—his hyung—to treat him as an equal, something partners with an age gap (even though jikook don't have a big age gap, it's just how hierarchy works in korea) would do to have a leveled out relationship with an equal power dynamic.

Hi anon!

Wow, this made me figure something out. You think the moments where Jimin is being a good Hyung are actually romantic moments between him and Jk. This literally hit me because of your ask. It makes so much sense, because the only one Jimin is a proper Hyung to is Jk. I think he also acts like Hyung to Tae a lot, but ofcourse those moments are being seen as friends caring for each other (which it also is) and not as Hyung/dongsaeng situation. So there’s no other member we see Jimin act as Hyung with and therefore we cannot actually compare. And without comparison, it is easy for you to say.. he only acts like this with Jk.. which is partly true… but not because it’s romantic, but because Jimin has no-one else to be hyung to.

Omg, you are really showing lack of knowledge here anon, basically about everything you talk about. What is it with the war-like situation you describe, ‘challenging’ ‘fighting to be equals’. You don’t fight to become equal, you just become equals because that is what your connection is like. Despite the age difference and the social standards and customs that comes with, Tae and Jk became equals naturally, because it felt that way. It is one thing to use age appropriate language, but the feelings of respect and equality are not dependent on language. Feelings come from within, and ignore boundaries set by language. It is for instance perfectly possible to adres someone with the proper words, and yet feel no respect at all for that person. Age is not a prerequisite for respect even though we are taught to be respectful to our elders. Feeling equal has nothing to do with age sett boundaries, it has to do with recognizing same values and feelings in the other. Everyone clings to the story of Jk refusing to drop honorifics with Tae in the beginning, but it is very clear (and shows in the ITS conversation) that that was only early on.

Jk even specified that it applied to both Tae and Jimin. He saw them both as Hyungs early on. And I think, we are talking about really early on here.

Things changed after that. And all of them got closer and with closeness and trust and knowledge about each other also came more informal use of language. I know Jikookers make a huge thing out of Jk talking banmal with Jimin, but when you go to neutral sources on how members communicate, all of them say the same thing: the younger ones (Tae, Jk, and Jimin) speak more informally to each other and all of them drop honorifics at times. It is not something Jk only does with Jimin, Jk is known to be the one who drops honorifics most often, with anyone. During BTS run mini field day he dropped the Hyung with Jin. During Yoongi’s show he clearly yelled ‘Yoongi’ several times. Now you could say it was for show, but still.. that should count for more because the insult would have been bigger. Compare it to Jk saying ‘Seo-joon hyung’ at the Dream premiere. Members are just that close that they know dropping honorifics at times (at the right times) won’t cause a problem.

Out of the three of them, Jimin is clearly the hyung. Always taking care of both Tae and Jk, always the more responsible one. I think you take those moments of Jimin acting like Hyung as romantic moments between Jimin and Jk.. and they are not. Jimin taking care of Tae is not that different from Jimin taking care of Jk.

that's exactly how their dynamic is, jk used to treat jimin like they're same age ever since they met, and jimin called him out tons of times on his lack of honorifics but always in a joking matter, never seriously enough for them to clash. jungkook still talks in banmal to jimin today and jimin finds no issue with it.

Yes, that is Jimin’s way of being a Hyung. Jimin is kind, he will not act harshly.. but he does call it out. And yes, I do think Jk started to treat both Jimin and Tae like they were the same age. They all became very close and with closeness comes more informal ways of interacting.

the rainy day fight happened because jimin tried to tell jungkook (and taehyung) to be better for their hyungs, to have a better attitude, which is something jk lacked in at the time, hence why the fight happened. jk himself admitted that he had a terrible attitude and his ego was hurt because he didn't like getting called out by jimin (who jk doesn't treat like a hyung like the rest) so he lashed out on him forgetting that jimin is older than him, so jimin got mad at him and left. and jk reflected on his actions, swallowed his pride because he cared more about jimin than his own hurt ego, apologized because he didn't wanna lose jimin.

“He lashed out on him forgetting that Jimin is older than him, so Jimin got mad at him and left”… exactly! This is similar to Tae and Jin’s argument, where Jimin also pointed out the ‘same goes for Jk’.

It’s not about caring more about jimin than his own hurt ego (but that also is hopefully correct) it’s about Jk knowing he was in the wrong for lashing out at a Hyung.

Jimin is not the stereotypical serious scolding Hyung type, none of the members are. But he is Hyung and acted like it towards Tae and Jk. Less so these days ofcourse, since they are all matured and it truly is more equal between all of them.

Your lack of knowledge about Tae and Jk is astonishing really. I mean, I’ve had plenty of Jkkrs who can at least admit that Tae and Jk are close. That Tae helped Jk get out of his shell (hello, deep emotional connection) that Tae is a source of comfort for Jk and that Jk feels ar ease with him. You have clearly not looked at our side of the story, or you wouldn’t have made these statements. If you’re going to argue your case with me, you should at least know what you are talking about. You say there have been no arguments between Tae and Jk when there is clear footage of them having issues. You can find it easily, yet you are locked in your Jikook bubble and you’ve probably not ever looked at what Tkkrs believe. So please come back when you have, because right now you sound very… uneducated in BTS.

There was also a concept board that had some of the outfits on them. I noticed that on the bottom of one of the jeans, there seems to be some smudging/drawing, and people take that as it representing mud since jungkook wore jeans that had mud/dirt on the bottom of them. They connect it with face because of it. What do you think of it? I’m pretty sure whatever was on the board, jungkook approved of/decided on. Of course we don’t fully know if it was supposed to show mud, becuase whatever was written was smudged so we wouldn’t be able to read it.

Thanks!

Hi anon!

Do I think Jk sat in a room full of stylists and their assistants and talked about adding mud to pants because of Face. No absolutely not.

Jk is a professional anon! Stop pushing these insane takes on him.

the "only' was a typo, i meant "one". i didn't write "the only one", just "one" and it auto-corrected to "only".

2) jungkook was the one who held jimin back and asked him "where are you going" and was even looking at him as he said it but jimin asked "why hold me back" towards jin as if he's asking for the hyung's help, who he the tried explaining himself to instead because jin asked him "where are you off to?". the two voices are different. then jk suddenly mentions the selca which is his 'blackmail' that will make jimin stay, just like he 'blackmailed' jin into letting him into the room. every time jk said "i took a good selca" jimin responded with "i won't go then/alright alright alright i won't go" jimin then decides to stay and jk looks at him to make sure he won't run away again then puts the phone away.

the selective hearing and blindness and the hoops you tkkrs gotta jump through to not call it what it is, is crazy. you could've just ignored my ask instead of lying and saying jin was the one who held him back and asked him where he's going when jin was holding the candy box and didn't even move a muscle towards jimin until jk stopped him.

Hi again!

I don’t mind if you keep believing it. It doesn’t make it true though. At no point did jk indicate wanting to ‘blackmail’ Jimin into staying. That is in your head.

at the 21:31 mark, jungkook almost jumped yoongi (HIS HYUNG.) with a frying pan because he hurt jimin with the ball. yoongi was like 🧍 and they even had to tell jk to cool down/relax cause it's just a game. but if you zoom in on his face, he definitely wasn't playing. 😵‍💫

Omg anon, be for real!!! Jk did not almost jump Yoongi with a frying pan. Holy cow, please go and watch this whole episode ten more times.