Ibuki gets to do something cool or impactful (and generally gets to lez out more)
Nagito, Hajime, and Chiaki get sidelined or killed pretty early
Hajime gets despair disease
We get to play as a different character - preferably Mahiru, but I'd settle for Chiaki, if they decide not to kill her off
Toko and Komaru find a way to get involved (I think it would be a lot of fun if 2x2 was the result of the cast from the original game choosing to restart the simulation, and that traps Makoto, Kiyoko, and Byakuya in the simulation somewhere)
I'd really like it if Peko and Mikan were in the final group of survivors. Peko, who has been struggling to find meaning in her own life after Fuyuhiko dies earlier in the game, and Mikan who struggles to reconcile her apparent devotion to Junko with the bond she has formed with the other survivors
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Thinking about Ink Demon biology again, decided to do a little break down. To be clear, there are NOT hard lines in my eyes, the stages are more lile species im evolution. Each second the Ink Demon is unique, it just takes a long time for him fo evolve as he wants.
Start: moldless ink, semi aware. Prior to the sillyvision process.
Birth/stage 1: eyeless smiling humanoid, most likely chubbier at first before being locked up and starved. This is most likely as seen in BatIM, a shambling, supernaturally strong creature. His horns haven't fully formed, and in some spots like his stumpy foot it's still soft and saggy.
Stage 2: never physically seen, this is the hypothetical stage between BatIM and BatDR. His fingers have elongated, two fingers have started to or fully combined to match the four fingered glove. His horns have grown and hardened, possibly starting to bend a bit at the tip. I based this description off the painting in Wilson's mansion.
Stage 3: as seen in BatDR, the legs have drastically changed. His "skeletal" system as near definitely fully hardened, and spikes have begun to erupt from random parts of his body.
Stage 4/final: completely unseen, PURE speculation here. This would be the "Ink Demon who ignores the rules of the Cycle" Henry hinted at in DR. Other than the horns getting longer, maybe branching off like antlers because of those spikes, I don't really have any predictions. *If* we saw it, I'd hope it looks grand, with massive horns that curve into complex spirals, and spikes jotting out of its body. Throughout each stage he's mostly grown just a little bit at best, so this one would probably be around 10ft tall, not including horns.
There's your random Ink Demon post lol. Rudimentary concept for stage 4 below
If done correctly, I think this could be appropriately scary. Also as a quick note, assuming the BatDR Ink Demon was nearing the cusp of breaking the Cycles laws, for this form to be seen it should take roughly a year or a year and a half. If the Ink Demon is out of the Cycle now in some capacity, then BatIF could take place a year after BatDR so the audience can see a truly godly Ink Demon at least once, which could be big news for the potential setting of the third game. (If it's right after DR, Gent probably hasn't done much, but if it's after a year, they've probably opened up human experiments again, which means we could play as a detective and please I just want to play as a detective đź’”)
Ngl but “My Form Empties” would actually make sense to be in Canto 8
In the book Hong Lu instead of becoming a government scholar to bring honor to the family, he became a Buddhist monk so he can see his true love again. My Form Empties is the statue of the Buddha. Also talks about how Hong Li if he didn’t complete his life and devoid himself of lust I think that he would suffer in hell which My Form Empties would make sense as the battle with it is in a hell like temple full of blood, and the main gimmick is Karma which is something in Buddhism (correct me if I’m wrong). Hong Lu would spent time trying to rid his desires and lust in the book which obviously relate to Buddhism as well, Buddhism is just removing desires to reach nirvana. And what abnormality fits Buddhism better than My Form Empties.
So uh possible spoilers for Evil Genius 2? Just me theorizing know my hype because AAAA....
John Steele from the first game makes a return, or at least someone who looks like him. The same bow tie, white suit, black pants and rose. And the hair too.
It could just be someone else wearing the same outfit and hairstyle because everyone else seemed to age.
One of the Henchmen you can hire is Eli Barracuda Jr, son of the henchman you can hire in the former game. Jubei has also aged and worked for the former minion.
However I don’t think this is a replacement.
They have a discord giveaway of a golden statue called “John Steele’s Defeat”, a reference to the former game (if you have him captured, you force him to the doomsday device. He fights back, loses his gun, and is forced to jump into the rocket.)
I’m not sure if the statue itself canon, but I’m focused on the title. “Defeat”, I don’t think he’s dead. And the statue looks like the guy we see in the trailer.
We could say it’s a son that looks an awful lot like his father, like Eli Jr’s case. But I don’t think that’s the case.
In Emma’s trailer, she states that she’s taught him everything he knows. She’s an ex-agent who parodies “M” from the James Bond movies in the same way Steele parodies Bond. M is the teacher of James Bond.
To add on, she said she wants to teach him one more thing, “...how do die”. Referencing his infuriating immortality on the game. You can get rid of every henchman, but not him. He even survived his defeat — vexing launched into space.
She mentored John Steele.
For further confirmation that he’s still kicking and causing problems for villains, in the Choose Your Villain trailer Maximillian mentioned him by name “I need Agent Steele located and captured!”. No first name, but the last one is recognizable enough.
Both Emma and Maximilian have shown this may be a vital part of the plot for their campaigns, moreso Emma. Maybe Zalika and Red Ivan will follow in wanting his destruction because he’s a threat, which is motive enough.
We’ve established important things: John Steele is still alive, the guy in the trailers is most likely him, he is vital to the plot of at least two campaigns, and the villains want him DEAD. Or captured...
BUT. What is really catching my interest is this:
John Steele can be captured, and right after to it they show an agent getting brainwashed to be a minion. It may be unrelated but I’m thinking it may be foreshadowing?
Getting really speculative here, but I think the plot will involve him being captured by the player and maybe he really is unkillable, or he’s more useful alive. He is extremely skilled, considering everything.
Seeing the comment sections on the trailer where he’s captured, and you’ll find some comments with some people being satisfied at that. Looking at the forums, several people have a bone to pick with him because of the first game.
Imagine being able to defeat and/or kill or control your former biggest threat.
Keywords: Jevil, Deltarune’s player in relation to Undertale’s player, the player’s “sin(s)”
This particular line during Jevil’s secret boss battle caught my interest immediately. All the chaos and adrenaline aside, I realized Jevil is the only character to mention anything related to the concept of “sin” in Deltarune.
In Undertale’s Genocide route, of course, sins played a huge role, and each time the player’s choices lead to in-game “sin”, the cause of the sin was always absolutely evident – killing a monster, or rather, if we may generalize, killing someone.
However, in Deltarune, it seems it is impossible to kill someone, thus a Genocide route is impossible. As a consequence, sin itself, in the way Undertale seemed to define it, is also not there.
But then why does Jevil call us sinners?
The dude never knew us before this fight, unlike Sans who was our secret judge all the time in Undertale. He also didn’t see his own imprisonment as a sin made by Seam and the rest, either, so he can’t be calling the team “sinners” because of that reason.
“Sinners” is a pretty strong word for those who played or just know the story of Undertale’s Genocide route. I may think about it too much, but I can’t help it:
What exactly is our sin this time, in Deltarune?
note: there are mentions of the word “sins” in relation to Hathy (”Your sins to Hathy have been forgiven” or “Hathy felt your sincerity. Hathy forgived your sins...”), but I won’t count that since it’s obviously just a joke
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ok ok so like what we know about aoi is that he’s apparently like. really flirty and stuff? but especially with meme. there’s not really any way to be certain how important he’ll be to the story so far but i get the feeling that he’s going to be one of the two deaths mentioned in the first song? my memory might be iffy there but there was something saying that two guys had gotten killed while meme was in the hospital. it seems like the two guys would be either two of the new characters that’ve been shown or just??? some unnamed faceless characters which just feels kind of unlikely but also not completely out of the question
It was all planned: reconsidering Gaster’s fall into his creation
Keywords: Gaster, the Egg and its power, “a piece of Gaster”, Vessel Creation, “LET US SHAPE ITS MIND AS YOUR OWN”, Gaster in relation to Chara???
Following the new bits of information we get regarding a certain item in Deltarune, as well as its intriguing intro, I found myself thinking what I never thought before, about Gaster’s hinted death/disappearance by falling into his own creation. I thought that, maybe, it was all planned. But first, I want to present what makes me even imagine such a thing.
What the so-called Gaster Followers tell us easily paints in our minds an image of a highly-intelligent, brilliant scientist Gaster, who created the CORE, who then somehow met his end in an accident, by falling into his own creation, vanishing and being shattered across time and space. I think many of us, including myself, silently assumed that the Followers were talking about the one same event, that they describe the same accident, just with different details.
Just because the Gaster Follower who tells us Gaster created the CORE also immediately after tells us that he one day fell into his creation, by association only based on the proximity of the two bits of information, the quickest and most common conclusion one can arrive to is that Gaster fell into the CORE by accident, and that this caused his disappearance or maybe even death.
But somehow it always sounded very “off” to me... Let’s look at some of the Follower’s lines again:
If the other Followers also talk about this event, then we would need to accept that, apparently, the CORE at least somewhat controls time and space, enough to be able to shatter someone across the two, while also being able to make someone vanish completely. Why can the CORE do all this when it’s described as simply an energy source for the whole Underground?
The scenario becomes even less plausible when we are obliged to consider the next information as still being the same event described by the others:
What would the CORE have to do with “experiments”, of all things? The DETERMINATION experiments in the True Lab are one thing, but the CORE as an energy source is a completely different thing. The Followers’ lines don’t make a solid description together – it’s either a CORE accident or a Lab accident, but not both. However, now that we have new information from Deltarune, all the Follower lines might make sense together, better than before.
Previously, it was strange to fit all details together into something that still makes sense and is tied together, especially when there’s also this:
But Deltarune introduces us to two bizzare things that are a big help in possibly integrating all the Gaster Followers’ lines into one single, (at least somewhat) coherent new scenario.
First, regarding the “piece of him”. It seems it has a face, it talks or at least mimics talking, and... it has an egg-like shape. In Deltarune, we are presented a very strange scene in which a man, whom we don’t see, gives us something...
So, a mystery man, hidden behind a tree, in a room that appears only after forcing the game by moving in and out of a specific area in the Scarlet Forest, gives us an “egg”. But the strangeness doesn’t end here.
Using the Egg at Asgore’s place, at the fridge, will first put the Egg inside the fridge which contains a jar with a single pickle in it. Then, after checking the fridge again, we get the text “There are two Eggs inside the fridge.”
It seems, at first, that the Egg has the ability to multiply, but reading the text again carefully proves something different:
there was 1 single pickle in the fridge;
Kris put the Egg inside the fridge;
then, there were 2 Eggs inside the fridge, no mention of the pickle.
It is as if the pickle became an Egg, therefore the Egg must have some power to shape whatever comes in contact with it into something like their own. Sounds familiar? Well, it should.
The “create a vessel” intro of Deltarune lets you play the creator game quite literally. Except, what you create is taken away from you in the end, as the mysterious someone who talks just like Gaster decides that your creation will be discarded. He who has the power to both offer and withdraw the means to create a vessel is he himself a creator. Therefore, if Gaster is the creator we connect with in the beginning of Deltarune (very likely), and it’s either him or someone who knows him, maybe a Follower, who gives you the Egg (somewhat likely), and the Egg can shape other objects as its own, then maybe, just maybe, we can think of the Egg as a “piece of him”, a piece of Gaster.
Falling “into his creation” can mean something very different now. The word “creation” is now strongly associated with a “vessel”, while the “experiments” can refer to something entirely different – Gaster, shaping others as his own. Getting “shattered” also makes sense, now that the “pieces of him” act like the Egg does, so it would be necessary for Gaster to fragment himself.
Now, the only thing that could go wrong could be hinted by the “time and space” and “vanished without a trace” parts. Or so I thought at first. Why exactly time-space is also mixed in this scenario (with the confirmation that alternate universes exist), I still don’t know. I can only think of a motive like... Chara’s:
Surely, extending his experiments to other worlds, other universes, sounds like a grand goal fit for Gaster. The fandom is currently finding more and more Gaster-related things in Deltarune; from all this, it seems Gaster is present in Deltarune’s world. Maybe even more present than in Undertale’s.
What “falling” would exactly imply, since it’s an expression that can be literal, figurative, or both, is still unclear. Maybe there wasn’t an accident after all. Maybe his life was never “cut short”, but just “cut to pieces”, and the pieces live on across time and space, shaping other things as their own. The only negative hint that remained is “he vanished without a trace”. “Vanishing” could mean fragmenting himself so much that he loses his physical form entirely.
