I bet Aaravos was the first one to discover dark magic. Then taught it to that one human in the intro.
I think so to some extent because itâs definitely the story of Prometheus there.

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I bet Aaravos was the first one to discover dark magic. Then taught it to that one human in the intro.
I think so to some extent because itâs definitely the story of Prometheus there.

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Penny for your thoughts on the Sylvanas video and how astoreth feels about what went down
MANDATORY DISCLAIMER #1: I havenât played any of the quests; all of the following is based on the video and hearsay.MANDATORY DISCLAIMER #2: From the moment I met the character as a baby belf returning a lost necklace found in the Ghostlands, I have fucking loved Sylvanas Windrunner, Banshee Queen, fallen Ranger-General of Silvermoon, Dark Lady of the Forsaken. Fight me.
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I think Blizzard does not understand the difference between a tragic character or a sympathetic character and a morally grey one.
Many actions of the sinâdorei are morally grey. Blood elves, as a rule, are very much about the end justifying the means, which isnât exactly a good philosophy but is certainly an efficient one! They do whatâs necessary to survive and protect themselves, and theyâll sort the ethics of it out later. They donât explain themselves, they donât whine about their lot (but they do get even) and they never apologize. This makes them not always the nicest people but theyâre hella interesting, which is why I love playing them!
Warbringers: Sylvanas seems to try to justify the Banshee Queenâs actions by explaining her history. She was hurt, she was violated, she was traumatized -- and so now, she hurts and violates and traumatizes others. Itâs undeniably tragic. Itâs darkly beautiful, the way they portray it... and it's reasonable character progression, in that people who have suffered violence often go on to inflict violence on others in turn. But itâs not grey. She doesnât help or save or protect anyone by murdering night elf children. It doesnât bring the sinâdorei who were lost back. It doesnât avenge herself on Arthas, whoâs been gone these nine years. Itâs not even revenge, because sheâs not hurting the people who hurt her! It doesnât accomplish anything. Thereâs no end which justifies these means.
(I mean okay, if you wanna be That Guy, you could argue that night elf children grow to be night elf warriors and thus Sylvanas was justified in killing them before they could kill her. But A, gross, and B, that explicitly isnât the argument the video makes.)
Sylvanas is a deeply flawed, tragic, gorgeous character. And her current actions could be described many ways, but grey isnât among them. Murdering innocents for the sake of pride and self-gratification falls squarely in the Evil row of Ye Olde Flawed But Still Pretty Useful D&D Alignment chart (Iâd go for Neutral over Chaotic, but sheâs definitely not Lawful).  And unfortunately, while this choice is potentially Very Interesting from a character progression/overall storytelling perspective, itâs really shitty for all the players and player characters who now are obligated to endure the consequences of Sylvanasâ evil actions! Â
Which brings me to the other thing I donât think Blizzard understands: that people get invested in their player characters, and they donât like being railroaded into being the bad guys.  We saw it before when Garrosh was Warchief: our characters were obligated to do awful things to advance in level (i.e. if we wanted to play the game), and while as roleplayers we could maybe handwave that our characters didnât actually do that in-character, itâs really shitty that that was our choice: ignore the story that was given to us, or accept it and accept that our characters were really awful people (and awful in ways that werenât of our choosing. Astoreth Duskflame-Firewing herself was Lawful Evil for the first several years of her existence, but that was MY choice, not Blizzardâs, and thatâs a significant distinction). Â
Meanwhile Alliance players were free to embrace their story, and many of them held it against Horde players whether we chose to incorporate it or not.  And it sucked! It sucks being greeted by your opposite-faction friends with âso, how are you enjoying being evil?â I donât enjoy it, if itâs not my choice! It sucks! And itâs stupid and it should stop! Â
And itâs why I have really conflicted feelings about this video. I now understand why Sylvanas is making the choices she does -- I donât agree with them, but I understand them. What I donât understand is why in the everfucking hell my or any other Horde would go along with them, aside from âjust following ordersâ, which is a shitty excuse to do anything up to and including genocide. Sylvanas might think that since Silvermoon was scourged and burned that sheâs justified in doing the same to Teldrassil, but my equally patriotic blood elf is going to be like the fuck are you doing fuck no weâre BETTER than that what the fuck -- and the game isnât going to give her the choice of not doing it. Â
The really disappointing part? This railroading was totally avoidable. The Gilneas quests back in Cata are a perfect example of how to avoid this. The Horde and Alliance got totally different versions of the same events -- one highlighting the viciousness of the Gilneans in slaughtering Forsaken (and, if not making them the bad guys, at least making it clear that peaceful coexistence was never an option), and the other featuring Sylvanas as a cartoon villainness hell-bent on plaguing the world. Those quests were FANTASTIC because they supported each factionâs perspective on events, and let your character feel like their choices were at least justified, if not ideal -- and a mature viewpoint will recognize that the truth of what happened in Gilneas is probably found somewhere between the two party lines, and the story leaves plenty of room for that.
But unfortunately, Warbringers: Sylvanas leaves no such room for speculation. Thereâs no counterpoint that I know of (going off hearsay on this -- feel free to throw counters at me, Horde friends!) showing another perspective. And so this is what weâve got, and itâs disappointing. In writing what they thought was the most interesting choice for Sylvanas to make, Blizzard eliminated meaningful choice for the PCs, and that really hurts.
What if Telchis was a follower of Magister Umbric and became a Void elf.
Telchis would be a horrible traitor then and it would hurt me emotionally to see him walk down that path. Umbric follows the teaching of QuelâThalasâ worst betrayer and thatâs saying something given their history.Â
How does Vaknosh feel about the Siege of Lordaeron?
Well as part of Flames of Warâs Siege of Tirisfal event, heâs currently home recovering from torture by the Alliance so he wouldnât have been at the final battle itself to see events unfold.
That said once he learns whatâs happened: he wouldnât say it in public, but he feels it Sylvanas got what she deserved in losing her capital city after burning down Teldrassil. And he finds it particularly poetic that she decided to just straight up blight it. Alliance holding it is more temporary than blight. However, heâs also partly glad she denied the Alliance the Undercity, as well, because heâs still got to fight in this war and allowing them to have more resources to turn against the Horde would be bad.
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Who was your favorite character from each of the star wars eras? Mine was Anakin, Luke, Finn
I dunno, I guess Maul from prequels, Boba Fett or Luke from Original, and probably Rey despite the trouble with her story and how bad the sequels were.
Guldan or sylvanas
Guldan has committed less genocide, so
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