#falconowls

I saw some comments in here, which pointed out that now movies are from businessmen instead of artist, but I somehow disagree about it. In my POV, business needs art, while art needs business. If your movies have no artistic elements (from good storyline, effect,soundtracks, designs etc), no one will like it, or want to watch it again. Then no money will be made.

Perhaps even until now, studios still making a lot of money, while the films are getting disappointing. But firstly, not all films are bad. If there's bad, there's good. Secondly,even heavily criticized films has good undeniable aspects too. It is a fact that Cats is praised for the settings, Dark Phoenix is praised for performances and Hans Zimmer's ost. Art lives as long movies live.

Studios need to work hard in order to gain audiences faith and trust. And as audiences, we should learn to admire good aspects and make constructive criticism. We are capable of pointing out what studios do good and what improvements they need. Just like how we are pointing out Disney's incorrect directions for films.

I kinda said it already in the previous post but what we should expect as normal is a balance between business and art. Of course the movie is a product that should sell, or least get more money than it cost to make (real business is always more complex obviously, there are products that are supposed to make a loss for business reasons but I’m no expert of this). What we’re talking about here is the absolute predomince of one over the other in megacorporations like Disney. It’s the difference between the original movies made by Howard Ashman and their recent live action remakes. It’s the soulless nightmare of the last Avenger movies.

It is not in fact true that if the movie has no good qualities it will not make money. If a single company can dictate that a large portion of movies aired in a theater are their own, if they can leverage on massive brand power and nostalgia effect and - let’s never forget this - can afford to spend billions in advertisement and promotion, things get different.

I do also have a thought that many Disney's films really need more writing improvements as time passes. One of the main issues is that it is getting more unrealistic, exaggerating and sloppy. Movies are becoming less inspirational and disappointing. Even when you do remakes or based on something, they shouldn't just using CGI or live actions to do so, but actually adding a theme that motivates and inspires.

Likewise, not just remaking The Lion King with new voices and CGIs, and just focusing on remaking everything just for making money. It seems that Disney was more creative and inspirational before. Even when you're talking about 60-70s animations or older franchises films like POTC, 20000 leagues under the sea, the sorcerer's apprentice etc. You can feel a deeper depth of art, emotions and reflections.

Perhaps Disney's older works are much more daring but still realistic. Indeed, with things full of imaginations, yet still brings out messages of struggles, humanity, dreams, and much more. Not just visual effects and cool actions.

And what I think is that what a perfect story or a plot should add their 'imperfections'. In Avengers (I still like the series), everything seems too perfect, like having conversations or jokes in a battle field, saving everybody, always about saving the world, always about high tech stuff and super actions. It makes things seem childish, and bland, and over exaggerating. I know it's pg and superhero, but you can still do more.

In my POV, even when there are plot holes, timeline mistakes, or disapproving scripts in X men, I can feel the emotional depths and struggles, as well as a strong, unyielding theme in every chapter- That how different people are treated and their struggles in society, and how we should treat difference in the right way.

And there are more emotional depths and realistic scenes. Eg. Charles and Erik's reflective views on mutant and human future. Erik could not save his mother and family, and following the path of the man he hates most. Logan's tragic life, Jean's unstable mind, guilt. Charles endless hope and love... Many characters that reflect on humanity, our choices, views, life struggles...

One more outstanding theme is that how powers affect us, like apoc and shaw believing themselves superior and meant to rule all others, while Charles and x men sees their powers as protections to the weaker ones. Just like Hitler vs Lincoln. These powerful beings in fact own a heart of humans. Sometimes what flies high still need times to stay on the ground. Disney in fact can do so, like what they did to good works.

These are but my opnions, which I would like to share. No offense to anything.

I’m afraid I dropped out of the X-Men series because I was too bored, on the other hand I literally forced myself to bear through most of the MCU and in fact there’s multiple movies I have never watched, so.

I think that the point is- like @shinychimera was saying, movies are generally made in a hybrid art/business model and that’s what Disney used to be for most of its history, there’ll be a tension between business requirements and artists’ visions but generally that gave birth to good products - with the occasional Bad Idea, meh thing, piece of weak writing, etc, but mistakes are inevitable and in hindsight everyone can tell what went wrong. Some projects would be given less funding some more, etc etc. Sometimes you expect something to be a bad idea but the audience loves it; sometimes the opposite. But overall you try to go with something that the audience will most likely like because you need the product to be successful.

The problem is that until not so long ago the idea was that for a movie to be successful it had to be good. Which kind of sounds obvious but becomes less obvious when you are a massive megacorporation that has a near monopoly on what gets aired in theaters and massive global brand power.

That’s the difference between the works we grew up with (for me at least it was Howard Ashman’s movies and the rest of the Disney renaissance) and the movies that are being produced now. I think it’s a big difference.