I really am blessed to have great friends to cosplay from FE4 with! This picture of the Nordion fam turned out incredible, so I want to share it here too! Little Nanna is being watched over c:
Credits below! ✨️
Credits all relating to Instagram!
📷✨️ Photography and editing by the amazing @/leuuuk.ph / @/leuuuk.cos
Amazing assistance and cape flipping done by @/shizucchii ✨️
Cosplays made and worn by :
@/akihaya98 as Eldigan ⚔️
@/ds_arsinoe as Nanna 🕊
@/ositias.cosplay as Lachesis 🌹, which is me!
The characters are from "Fire Emblem: Genealogy of The Holy War"
Cosplays worn at Connichi 2022, a German cosplay convention
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Okay, got a Jugdral question for you, specifically about Agustria. In the fan translation of Genealogy, in the beginning cutscene of chapter 2 Eldigan is referred to as "King Eltshan" by one of the knights with Raquesis. Is the line the same in the original? In short, is Agustria really ruled by a bunch of kings (with Shagall presumably being the kingiest of them all) or is this simply a translation error?
【イーヴ】 Eveラケシス様! エルトシャン王が Lachesis-sama! [There's a report that] King Eltoshan アグスティでとらわれたとの報告が!has been taken prisoner at Agusty!
Yup, literally King Eltoshan.
Regarding the rulership of Agustria... I think it's something like a coalition of states, but I don't know off the top of my head. fe-planet-kaga and bookofholsety might be able to provide a more thorough explanation.
tattedmariposa said: I have to agree that after playing through both 4 and 5 (well, roughly 2/3 of FE5 anyway) while I was baffled by his actions at first they seem more sensical once things play out. But I think the way it’s presented at first doesn’t do him any favors. I've probably beaten this point to death on DW and such over the years, but I still have to say that actual original Camus is the unfathomable noble enemy. His king is a piece of shit who's destroyed Grust, harmed its people, and horribly neglected his own two kids (about whom Camus allegedly cares). Camus has no reason other than his ideals to keep loyal to Ludwik, especially not when the invading force is led by the chick that a) Camus loves and b) is pleading with Camus to not throw his life away. Eldigan makes perfect sense to me by comparison. I think Camus is the greater, er, Camus for being so god-damned frustrating, but I can sympathize with Eldigan.
Y'know, one thing often forgotten about in the debate over "Was Eltoshan stupid or what?" is the context. Everyone in Gen 1 was SOL by design. Seriously. Let's say Eldigan fails to save Chagall at the end of Chapter 2 and gets declared King of Agustria. Think Grannvale is just going to back off and let him be king? Yeah, no. Best-case scenario is, Eldigan stays king for a couple of years until Arvis takes over and then he goes down around the same time Leonster and Silesse fall. Worst-case scenario is that King Eldy very quickly grows tires of Grannvale being all up in his business, has a falling-out with Sigurd, and either dies in battle or gets executed. So, pretty much what happened anyway. All his options were bad ones. Agreeing to have Chagall deposed would have compromised his own high-flown ideals and not left him any better off in a practical sense, because really the best he could hope for was a few years of being Grannvale's puppet. No thanks.
I am most curious about just how much incest did FE4 feature. Did Eldigan and Raquesis love each other? What about Seliph and Julia?
I'm pretty sure the patch was accurate about Eldigan/Raquesis, and it'd be hard to be wrong about the evidence for Seliph/Julia.
Eldigan/Raquesis: From Chapter 2.
Patch:
Lachesis:
That Elliot just can't handle the fact that I'll have nothing to do with him.
God, I can't stand conceited men like him. I need a man the calibre of my dear brother.
That's why I'll never marry.
Original:
【ラケシス】 Raquesis
エリオットは
私が彼のいいなりにならないから
腹をたてているのね▼ Elliot can't stand me because I won't do exactly as he says.
でもあんなキザな男は、大きらい!But I hate conceited men like him!
私はエルト兄様のような人でなければ
すきにはなれないわ▼ I can't fall for anyone who isn't like my brother Elto.
だから、だれの妻にもならない・・・▼So I won't become anyone's wife...
So yes, that's still there. Take it as you will.
Seliph/Julia: The evidence here is thoroughly non-linguistic: The way Julia worries over Celice before her kidnapping, the way she hangs around him even if she's married in post-war Jugdral, etc. Also, in the prototype version, Celice and Julia were supposed to automatically become lovers, although this idea does not survive in the present version. You can see vestigal traces in the fact that they start off with 490 love points, but the system actually progressively subtracts love points each turn, so that you can only pair them by merciless mechanical exploitation. The script doesn't seem to account for them being together and it's clearly intended that they don't ultimately get together... although that doesn't say anything about incestuous feelings on Julia's part.
But while we're naming off incest, let's not forget about the following:
Alvis/Diadora, which is canon half-sibling incest.
Claude/Sylvia, which is one of Sylvia's predestined pairings. A strange mention of Claude's lost sister in Ch 4, combined with Sylvia's minor Blaggi heritage, makes people speculate that they might actually be full siblings. But the designers have said that this is not the case, in which case they're related distantly (with the Blaggi crusader as a common ancestor -- he lived merely 120ish years before the events of the game).
Questionable second gen pairing choices: Aless/Nanna (first cousins), Lester/Patty (first cousins), Shannan/Lakche (uncle/niece), and the lesser-shipped Faval/Rana (first cousins).
There's also a fair amount of psychological incest going on -- for example, Leaf/Nanna, Thracia 776's canon pairing.
This chart (made by tattedmariposa) summarizes these relationships and a few other distant/optional relations.
EDIT: The closest I can find (with thanks to tattedmariposa again) for a source for the Claude/Sylvia thing is unfortunately vague: "Apparently there are notes regarding Claude and Sylvia's relationship, although I heard it doesn't provide any interesting information. There is also some discussion about the faults of the 2nd generation characters."
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