#dwvstw

I'll start.

I’m pretty sure that at this point nobody hates Teen Wolf like the people actually making it. 

What the fuck is going on here? 

Thank you for your sacrifice!

DW: Hahahaha! As much as I wish I could report he was working as a rescue dog, he’s actually running an animal shelter and went into an unstable building to rescue a dog. Which is down a hole. With a kid. 

Why the firefighters are like, “Hey, this building is about to collapse and that protective dog is acting aggressively so we can’t reach the kid. We’d better call some guy who runs an animal shelter instead of lowering a harness to this child who is clearly old enough to put it on herself” is anyone’s guess. 

I see the delusional squad is back on their circa 2014 bullshit, and that scene in the pilot where Scott saves the dog. 

But he’s a vet tech, they claim, he’s qualified. 

He’s a sixteen year old high school student, biscuits. It takes a 2 year college course to become a vet tech in California.  

It is, as always, bad writing. 

See, the point of that scene is to show Scott as being good and caring to animals, which is another reason for Allison to fall for him. And the exact same thing could have been accomplished by Scott saying, “I’m going to make him comfortable, and call the vet in.” 

But instead of blaming the show for bad writing, they’re blaming the fans for laughing at the bad writing and the bad light it puts Scott in. 

DW: It is hilarious. 

Are there ways to make this work? Undoubtedly! 

Will Jeff utilise them? 

There are 12 year old fanfic writers out there who would do a better job of writing Teen Wolf than Jeff, and still get tomorrow’s homework done on time! 

This movie is going to have to be 67 hours long in order to get in all 497 cameras and 268 new characters. 

Teen Wolf creators were insistent on making Derek/Kate a legitimate couple, narrating it as if they were exes instead of victim and rapist. Which is disturbing. They had Derek as 19 in the pilot (so he was 13 during their "relationship") and later with the deaged episode they changed it to he was 16. Doesn't sit well with me, since they kinda kept promoting from the beginning of TW the idea that 16 year olds are old enough to make responsible decisions, so if Derek was 16, then he's responsible for his family's death for thinking with his dick? That's what's implied, imo, and enforced with how he was always painted as villain/antagonist. It's disturbing. TW then gave Derek a second "love interest" in the form of Jennifer/Julia. Who was Kali's emissary and lover and certainly not Derek's age. (Probably twice his age. Not that I can oppose age difference when I'm a shipper of both Steter and Sterek, but, you know, in-universe she's considered "Derek's age", and there's something wrong with that lack of acknowledgement that I can't put into words.) Though then at least he wasn't a minor, he was still vulnerable, used, and there was implication in the show that the "relationship" was helped along with magic.

Both cases are not unexpected from a tone-deaf show like TW.

But what baffles me and has me wondering is fandom. Do a lot if fanfic writers tend do look at these two relationships as legitimate in their fic or does it only seem like it to me? Why do they do so?

Especially when they're so ready to ignore Paige's existence, and are so eager to have Derek in Sterek fanfic be only 2/3/4 or 5 years older than Stiles but the writers then act like he's double or triple Stiles' age, from the way they're writing and exaggerating the age difference? (I'm the most confused when they put the age difference at only 2 years and they have the Sheriff react like Derek is 30, harping on about "underage!".)

I recently saw an AU fic where Derek was 21, Kate his same age girlfriend and burned the family. Author didn't seem to understand the implications here.

Another fic had Jennifer be Derek's first love, and they painted it as a normal relationship. It... The author disregarded *Paige* (they explicitly mentioned her asking him out and him saying no), but went with the canonically insane murder-hobo witch that likely bespelled him?? O_o

What I'm trying to say is, these are manipulative older women unconcerned with consent, and it disturbs me that these two canon "relationships" in particular are accepted by a lot of fans?? Like, why would you legitimise it, by having them be Derek's same-age girlfriend or wife and mother of his children or something along those lines? What's the pull here? Am I seeing things? Exaggerating? What am I missing?

You're so good at pulling things apart enough to make sense, Disco, maybe you can help me understand? TY!

DW: There's no easy answer for this, but where I've seen this, it's mostly AUs, and it's certainly not Derek/Kate endgame.

So in that scenario, a lot of authors are looking for someone for Derek to be in a bad relationship with--and Kate and Jennifer are already right there. Why reinvent the wheel?

I think that, generally speaking, this isn't writers overlooking the canon skeeviness of Kate/Derek and Jennifer/Derek. This is just repackaging it for an AU, where chances are the whole underage thing with Kate never happened, and neither did Jennifer's spells.

And I honestly don't know how much older Jennifer is than Derek, but I will say that as long as they're both over the age of consent (and they meet as adults, after all) there's nothing wrong with it. She could be thirty. She could be fifty. She could be centuries old for all we know. But both her and Derek are adults. I don't think age is the issue with Jennifer, is all I'm saying. After all, how much older was Noshiko than Ken? And their relationship was, to all appearances, healthy.

I think the problem is that you're seeing these stories as "legitimising" unhealthy relationships. In an AU, what does it matter if Jennifer was Derek's first love and it was a happy and consenting relationship? The whole point of an AU is to change things and see how it all shakes out differently. And when it's *not* a healthy relationship, like most of Derek/Kate, then, quite simply, depiction doesn't equal legitimisation.

But honestly, a lot of the issues around canon age is that it's as changeable as the weather. In the pilot script, Derek is 19. That's a three year age gap with Stiles. But suddenly the fire happened either a few years ago or ten years ago. So was Derek a teenager with Kate, or was he nine? Is he three years older than Stiles, or a decade?

DW: It is going to be an absolute mess! 

DW: Anon, I'm acting as though he refused to bite Hayden and then just left her to die, because that's what happened. Scott leaves, and Hayden literally dies. There are multiple times where Melissa says the treatment isn't working, including while Scott is still there, and yet Scott still doesn't give her the bite.

SCOTT: There's another way to save her.

THEO: Guys, I don't know what the statistics are for surviving a Werewolf bite, but she's definitely not surviving this. We need to do something.

I mean, say what you like about Theo, but he's not wrong.

And then later in the episode we have this part here:

LIAM: It's not working, is it?

MELISSA: She should be showing signs of improvement.

MELISSA: Hayden?

HAYDEN: Call Val... My sister... Valerie...

LIAM: She's a deputy...

SCOTT: I think I might know where she is. Theo just texted me about the high school. He said there's cops everywhere. Might be another Chimera.

HAYDEN: Um, my sister... I don't want to die without my sister...

SCOTT: I'll get her.

Huh. So at the point where we know the treatment isn't working, and that Hayden's actively dying, Scott's decision is to go and get her sister so she can have some final words with her. It's still not to give her the bite.

This is the point here, anon, where Scott could have still changed his mind. He knows she's dying, and he knows the treatment isn't working. So what's stopping him from trying the bite here?

And then, of course, the treatment continues not to work at the hospital, but by then Scott's left and can't be reached.

MELISSA: Oh, no, no, no, no... I think you better get Liam.

MASON: What about Scott?

MELISSA: He's not answering. And if Liam wants to be with her, he needs to get here now... Because she's dying, and I don't know what else to do.

At what point in Hayden's very slow death do you think that trying the bite sounds better than continuing to do what's clearly not working?

but in the situation it probably sounded like a much better solution.