#dredd judges

So someone mentioned yesterday- and I can't remember if it was my mom or someone in the meta circle- a passing comment on why the Dread Doctors are DREAD Doctors

I just assumed- always dangerous, I need to stop doing that- that it was Jeff Davis operating on his favorite trope, The Rule Of Cool, you know, Dread Doctors, it sounds pretty cool right, but now I wonder... maybe this is another clue, because you know who ELSE is rather dreadful?

The Dredd Judges

(And I'm going to refrain from any Penny Dreadful remarks at current)

I found this page earlier in the newest Orphan Black comic book and couldn't help feeling startled at how much it reminds me of the Dread Doctors

I looked it up and have found some really startling connections to our Dread Doctors!!

For one thing, there's THIS

You have Judges Fire, Fear, Mortis, and Death and they remind me alot of our doctors... and Theo.... especially because their catch phrase here "Your sentence is death" reminds me of "Your condition is terminal", literally the only difference is that the judges are using a nod to legal language and the doctors are using a nod to medical language, they even- in canon- always "speak with a hiss" and that reminds me of the Dread Doctors as well

But all of this could just be a matter of design... until I read this: "The Dark Judges were originally a group of four lawkeepers from a parallel dimension."

We KNOW the Dread Doctors are from somewhere that isn't Beacon Hills, and it's so heavily implied that they're traveling from either another dimension or another time that it's crazy, it goes on to add that the Judges are exterminating human life because human life is the cause of all crime aaaaaaaaand....

The society of the parallel universe they inhabited placed very little value on human life and many inhabitants were sadistic and violent, but even by the standards of their people the Dark Judges were vicious.

These are some nasty guys from what I've read and it reminds me of the ruthlessness that we're seeing from the Doctors, the kind of ruthlessness that people like Vallack are afraid of (and remember, Peter was afraid of Vallack)

Let me copy some things from the wiki page (because I'd never heard of these guys before today and it's too late for me to be looking them up elsewhere)

With (The Sisters Of Death's) help, (Judge Death) and his acolytes were able to become undead beings, thus being 'pure' to judge without hypocrisy. The Sisters would themselves become ethereal beings with hideous magical powers. The Dark Judges subsequently murdered the entire population of their world.

The story goes that Death fell in love with the Sisters Of Death, Phobia and Nausea, committing crimes that sickened even him, and eventually going on to do what's mentioned above, that is, they turned humans into supernatural creatures

It goes on to mention that the Judges cannot die the way mortals can, their spirits were sealed away after their bodies were destroyed, and this seems to be the recurring theme of how the Judges die and revive themselves, they escape imprisonment every so often (in this case forcing one of the protagonists into accidentally ressurecting them) and get new bodies, and I found this little snippet especially fascinating:  Anderson survived, however, and used the dimension warp technology against the Dark Judges, consigning them to limbo, the void between dimensions. This is where they were to remain for the next few years.

Could the Doctors be from limbo? We've been talking so much about people traveling through bardo, especially Stiles, and the theory has been raised several times that Beacon Hills as an entirety is limbo/bardo/purgatory and the residents are people who haven't quite died... or atleast haven't moved on yet... maybe the doctors are from another dimension and now visiting limbo or maybe they're from limbo visiting Beacon Hills and trying to use chimeras to create better bodies (the Surgeon IS injected with that weird stuff drawn from one of the test subjects in 509)

A few other interesting things to add:

-These guys aren't really connected to a multi-verse the way you usually see villains connected (for example Marvel's Loki is connected to Thor, The Avengers, and I think The Guardians Of The Galaxy just to name a few) in fact the only major comic book chain they ARE connected to is.... Batman, through one small arc, specifically in connection to the Joker, point is, Batman is one of the most well used comic book reference in Teen Wolf (through Stiles ofcourse)

-Judge Anderson, the protagonist who was tricked into reviving the Judges, was put in a coma by Judge Death after one of their ressurection cycles and injected with the "supernatural Half-Life virus,"

-Sleeper Agents! There are two that come up during the last listed appearance of the Judges, the first freed the Judges from their containment vaults, and the second helped give them physical form again

-Judge Fear has some remarkable connections to the experiences our babies have been going through this season:

Fear sports an assortment of tools on his belt, notably miniature bear traps, which he is known to throw at his enemies in order to immobilize them

His belt buckle is a shrunken head

(Didn’t Deaton say there was a shrunken head before he found the fetal experiments?)

I mentioned Theo earlier and I think he's our potential Judge Death, AKA the leader, I know in the new preveiw it looks and sounds alot like they're the ones in control but I think by now we should all know better than to assume things like this just based on one or two moments, perhaps Theo is losing control of them or perhaps rather than being in an organized structure of leader and followers it's just that Theo was the one to bring them back from the dead, they owe him (in his opinion anyway) but they're still more dangerous than he is and could kill him if they wanted to

As for the sleeper agents, there's always Malia, who we've been speculating on for a century and a half, and now Parrish, who reminds me of Judge Fire in that he "is immersed head-to-toe in ethereal flame."

These are loose speculations based on what's most likely a very loose reference but it's so late that I don't even want to say the time out loud (or in print) so I'm not prepared to reign in anything or expand on anything