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k i already did a general love interest tierlist. now to get pragmatic... how viable are they?
and by that i mean: spider-gwen isn't just a story, she's a brand. this character and her narrative must be adaptable into new continuities. when she is, what parts of her story can she take with her? who in comics-gwen's supporting cast can survive being readapted into a new continuity? and which characters that aren't in gwen-65a's supporting cast could smoothly transition into joining it?
this includes love interests, because one of the biggest features of spider-gwen is, unfortunately, shipping. she'll never be asexual for that reason. people want to ship her, and she'll make more money for marvel if she has a romantic arc. thus, figuring out her love interest options is an important component of her character's future.
and the love interests who can survive a jump into another medium or continuity are the ones that will have staying power, because more people are interested in games, animation and movies than in comics. those will be the ones people remember and expect, and synergy will send comics versions of them gwen-65a's way soon enough... which will lead to stories with them that will fuel future adaptations. it's more pragmatic to anticipate that cycle, send her a love interest that can help her narrative instead of harming it (cough spiderverse cough) and make the feedback loop one that will positively affect gwen-65a.
(like with the other tierlist, this is for characters from the comics and i'll update as new options are introduced.)
to note the exclusions:
no mateo, benji or kosei because this list is for characters gwen could feasibly have a relationship with, not one interaction with a little vibe to it with a one-off minor character who will never reappear.
no murderdock, superior silk, agent 77 or jackal because there's no way these grown adult villains would ever get straight-up shipped with gwen, who'd most likely be aged down to a teenager in most future adaptations. (and because the former three will most reliably appear as their 616 counterparts.)
no peter-65 because logistically, if spider-gwen's readapted into another continuity, she'll probably share it with a spider-peter. peter 65 will never be readapted because he can only exist in earth 65's context, and versions of peter 65 always die.
to note the inclusion:
darius leclerc (616) has never interacted with spider-gwen, thus he's not on the spider-gwen ship tierlist. but he's been shipped with gwen-616, which creates a... special circumstance.
now, into the categories:
DON'T DO IT: the ships that Shouldn't happen, but might because heteropatriarchy is apparently too hard to not adapt too.
peter parker / spider-man. not peter-65. the whole point of spider-gwen is that she doesn't have to be with him anymore. getting them together defeats this purpose. can they flirt a little or date temporarily? sure i guess. but do Not let them end up together. the ship is dead. stop digging it up.
miles morales / spider-man......... is the spiderverse already doing it? yes. should they? absolutely fucking not. the whole. point. of spider-gwen. is that she doesn't. have. to. be. with. him. anymore. and miles dating his friend's gf is never not gonna be weird. don't even do it at all. the ship must die. kill it.
... they won't do it: don't even bother getting your hopes up. these characters are locked in as A More Important Man's Endgame.
sue storm / invisible woman. an evil fantastic four will never be readapted from 65. and sue will never be shipped with anyone but reed richards (or namor, for 0.5 seconds). to be fair she and gwen65 have no chemistry anyway; she's here as a courtesy to hammer this point home.
mj watson / carnage. she's peter parker's forever girl. anytime spider-gwen appears in another continuity with mj, mj will inevitably end up with peter, as long as he's alive and especially if he's spider-peter. they'll never korrasami it. they'll never reverse-korrasami it. gwen and mj, no matter how canon they get in the comics, cannot happen anywhere but earth 65, and will be overshadowed by inevitable synergy ships. it's unadaptable. accept this into your heart and move on.
betty brant. another of peter's love interests, but the one we all know he'll never end up with. 616 betty is more prominent than 65 betty, which means they'll never synergize her and spider-gwen into a relationship, but nedbetty is such an institution in the comics that they'd never set him aside for gwen to begin with.
dragged-back-to-616 danger zone: the ships that in execution would likely only lead to gwen-65 getting synergized back into 616. ship with her as a last resort to stop petergwen or gwiles, but skip if possible.
ami han / white fox. it'll Never Happen, but she has the superpowers to make her less forgettable than the one-offs. regardless, she's from 616! it isn't worth it! skip!
kaine / scarlet spider. he's not as bad as peter, but landing gwen with his clone is too close for comfort. and since earth-65 will never have peter clones... you know where synergy would send her. too risky. let's just leave it where it is, as an implied flirtation in the past in one continuity.
anya corazon / arana. she doesn't have a 65 counterpart, so inevitably her adaptation would be based on 616 anya. meaning synergy would send gwen to 616 or anya to 65, which is a disservice to either of them. if they date, that would be great! just make sure it's short-lived.
cindy moon / silk. yes, she has a 65 counterpart, but logistically we'll never get a cindy-65 adaptation, so some version of cindy-616 would be most likely. you know where that would take gwen. while gwen's stuck on 616, this could be a good consolation, but in the long run they shouldn't be together.
more famous 616 variant confusion: earth-65 characters whose personas could be adapted into new continuities... but who will always be overshadowed by their 616 counterpart, which makes them difficult to adapt in the first place. juicy, but realistically nonviable.
johnny storm / human torch. johnny's himbo personality and the hint of a vibe between him and gwen could in theory be adapted... and because the evil fantastic four will never be readapted, it could actually end well. but all that'll lead to is gwen-65 getting shipped with johnny 616. and besides, the fantastic four could only have a limited role in a spider-story. this would be a one-off flirtation at best.
kitty pryde / shadowcat. she's a hybrid of 616's kitty pryde and x-23. which would only confuse a new audience, assuming the writer doesn't just land gwen with the original laura or kitty. plus, the chances of an x-man reliably showing up in a spider-man story is slim to none. it won't happen. it's too convoluted.
felicia hardy / black cat. right on the border. she's a spider-man supporting character whose 65 counterpart serves basically the same role, meaning there wouldn't be continuity confusion and she'd reliably show up as a supporting role in a spider-story. but everyone knows felicia 616 better, so there's a big danger of another 616 situation, so that tips her down a category.
viable if executed right: the characters that won't suck gwen into a synergy vortex, and could have great potential, but may need some reconfiguring to bring it home. these candidates could be adapted... as long as certain conditions are met.
hobie brown / prowler / hornet / spider-punk. another spider-man supporting character who'd fit easily into a spider-story as a recurring presence. hobie in general has a great dynamic with gwen that deserves exploration (in 616, 65, 138...). the only hangup is... which hobie. he'll never be the prowler again, so prowler hobie is out of the question. he can only be spider-punk in specific situations, so realistically spider-punk can't be adapted in anything but a one-off spiderverse teamup (if he is? do it! they'll never put gwen in 138 for good. synergy won't threaten her). the only way hobie can reliably show up is as the hornet. so what's hornet hobie's vibe with gwen? we have no idea. if he keeps spider-punk's personality and visual aesthetic, we might have cracked a way to keep hobie adaptable and give him a reason to reliably appear in spider-stories (... and it creates a synergy backdoor for gwen65 to date the punk version of hobie, spider-punk, or hobie65). but it's still a big if. and it's never been done before.
fabian lamuerto / black tarantula. a character original to gwen's canon who she has no metabaggage with, isn't competing with a bigger character for, and who naturally fits into spider-man stories. in theory, their enemies-to-lovers dynamic with an identity reveal and a 'turning on my evil dad for my gf' plotline could sub in for harry. the only hangup is that fabian's on earth-616, but he's exclusively in gwen's orbit so it's doubtful that an adaptation of him would send gwen back there for a romance. if anything it could send him to 65... but until that happens, he's gonna hang out at the top of this tier. he has real potential to hit a home run though.
viable... to a point: the love interest that'll work... until.
harry osborn / green goblin. harry goes to high school with gwen in 616 and 65, has dated or been shipteased with her in many continuities, and he isn't a spider-man's love interest (sorry parksborns. it is what it is.) in theory, he's available, present in gwen's life, and shipping them could lead to 65 gwarry because 616 harry is out of the question. but. anytime peter shows up, harry will get sucked into his orbit, just like mj. harry will become peter's best friend, (may go to peter's school instead of gwen's, if a separate-schools scenario exists like in marvel action) and will likely go goblin and implode. if gwen and harry are a couple, it'll never end well. it might even be abusive or toxic. (i hate it, but it feels very plausible that in continuities where spider-peter is present, if gwen's prom date attack origin is kept, harry might end up being the incel peter stand-in.) it's worth exploring, but we cannot hope he'll be an endgame love interest.
ready to go: they have no preexisting romance with a bigger character, no bad implications attached to a romance with gwen, are immune to the 616 synergy vortex, are easy to add to a new continuity and there's an opportunity to enhance this character's memorability through this romance. these are the romantic interests who should be adapted.
darius leclerc. there's no darius on 65 (yet). but since nobody remembers darius 616, and darius 616 was a character who existed in gwen's orbit instead of peter's, he's a safe ship that won't pull her away from home. and he has great potential, since barely anything's been done with him. being gwen's love interest could bring him back into the fandom consciousness after being completely forgotten. make him a hero, make him a villain, make him a civilian boyfriend; the sky's the limit. he and gwen616 are doomed. maybe he and gwen65 can go the distance. (... bffr you know people are gonna call him diet miles if he dates spider-gwen. so work with it; use darius to hit the spiderverse narrative beats while leaving miles out of it: he's the sweet high school boyfriend, who is black, whose dad she's complicit in hurting, which spurs gwen to reconsider her politics. his wealth and tragic connection to his villainous dad mean he could even sub in for harry in a pinch.)
glory grant. the dark horse tbh. yes, she's technically part of peter's circle, but nobody remembers 616 glory is mj's friend, or a brief peter love interest. the most prominent glory grant in canon is glory 65, meaning 1) no 616 vortex, and 2) her relationship with gwen is the thing people know most about her, and it's difficult to displace. like with darius, glory can sub in for a prominent member of gwen's supporting cast who'll inevitably be absorbed by peter in another continuity: mj/the belligerent bandmate bestie who she has romantic tension with (she's already taken this role in marvel action). and if that ball keeps rolling, and especially if gwen-65's crush on glory is resurrected... glory grant could end up being the dark horse candidate for gwen's universal love interest.
the symbiote. you know what's up with this blob and its host. idk if future spider-gwens will have symbiotes, but if they do... i mean. come on. that slime is her true love. gwen doesn't want a family, and much of her arc revolves around escaping shitty relationships. ending up on her own is more fitting than ending up with most people.
anyway the criteria with which we judge who's a viable love interests are if they're...
1: less popular than gwen. which means she'll never be reduced to Their Girlfriend, the power in the relationship remains in her hands and the story focus remains on her. especially important if you're shipping her with a man, because people will find some excuse to make that man more important than her. make that as difficult as possible for them.
2: not a more important man's endgame love interest. because gwen will never be allowed to swoop in and snatch a more iconic man's flagship romance, and she deserves one of her own.
(2.5: not locked into an arc with that more important hero that'll make them fundamentally incapable of serving as an endgame love interest. because peter will most likely be present in any future continuity spider-gwen's in. thus, though harry may not be peter's love interest, he's pretty much doomed to turn into a villain and self-destruct in a conflict that centers those two men. the ship can sail, but it's doomed to sink in a way that'll most likely reduce gwen to a footnote. unlike gwenjay, we can get on this ship, but if we do, we have to plan to transfer to another that can complete the voyage.)
3: not playing second fiddle to their 616 counterpart / would function on earth-65. if gwen dates a character based on a more well-known variant from 616, she's gonna get dragged back there. pick someone obscure enough that a non-616 counterpart could be the definitive version of the character... which in turn could boost that character's profile through a relationship with gwen. and pick someone who could belong on gwen's world, could benefit from moving to it from their own, or be able to maintain their own while visiting it.
4: a member of the spider-man supporting cast. they reliably show up in spider-man stories and have a recurring presence in them, meaning it would make sense for them to show up in the story and keep showing up, which is necessary because building up a strong romantic plotline takes time.
... i find it interesting that the most viable potential love interests so far are all poc. glory, hobie, fabian and if darius ever comes back he's basically set. sitting in a tree is evil incarnate, but it did stumble on one thing about gwen's future romantic prospects that seems to be coming true: gwen should end up with a person of color.
actually i'll do a darius dump. okay so in the gwen stacy miniseries following gwen's life in high school before she ever met peter, we meet her first boyfriend, darius leclerc.
he fits right in with 616 gwen's established type. pre meeting peter, she was interested in all-american footballer guys. and darius is that to a t. he's smart, wealthy, handsome, athletic, and nice. he and gwen are like the alpha couple of their school.
he's like the archie to her betty, or the ned to her nancy drew. they go on study dates and get frisky in the library. she goes to all his games and he helps her run for class president. he, gwen and harry are a trio who solve a mystery together.
they're cute!
.... but. his developer dad gets involved with shady business deals that gwen, darius and harry don't realize their investigation's getting in the middle of.
and then his dad gets killed in a situation that he kinda brought on himself for doing business with the villain of the week, but gwen's also a little bit responsible for meddling with it. and darius breaks up with her over it because he can't mentally separate her from that event. fair.
and then he's never seen or mentioned again!
(.....also it's not lost on me that yet again atsv copped a gwiles dynamic from another ship involving gwen or miles with someone else. in this case it's gwen inadvertently putting her black high school boyfriend's dad in a situation where he's fated to be killed by a supervillain. if it wasn't ripped for atsv by the writers, then it's very, very odd that this exact situation repeated itself.)
Talk Shop Tuesday: are there any Spider-Man characters (MCU, comics, otherwise) that you wish there were more fics about? Why do you think these characters might be ‘underrated’? Do you have any plans to write them in the future? 🎤
CAN I TALK MY SHIT AGAIN
One of the things I’m most proud of in fandom and in being in fandom is MAKING it so that more comic characters are a mainstay in my fics. Not as evil boyfriends or abusive ex girlfriends, not people to be cheated on or killed off SOLELY to prove that MJ is better— the coffee bean gang that is Harry, Flash, and Gwen DESERVE their time in the sun.
While I can’t take full credit for the increased fanon usage of these characters— fandom isn’t a hive mind and also, Spider-Man is a fucking legacy character lmao he didn’t just ✨ exist ✨ when Tom Holland decided to play him— my own growing confidence to include more of these characters (because of people like gruoch) I think has made it that there’s few stones left unturned or not included as much as I’d like.
A small character that is the most niche that he could be is Darius LeClerc, Gwen Stacy’s high school boyfriend that was introduced— and likely his last appearance— in the Giant Sized Gwen Stacy. There’s only one fic on AO3 where he’s tagged and it’s mine lmfao.
Eye simply think he is interesting and would love to know more about him!!!!!
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