#commanderholly

I wouldn't be surprised, considering she's been seemingly more into their relationship from the very beginning than Jared ever seemed to be (appearances can be deceiving though, so who really knows?)

Exactly. No-one knew about any abuse until her heat-of-the-moment disclosure - No-one knew to step in and say "Hey, this dude is potentially doing some fucked up shit, we shouldn't support him" because none of us were in their marital bedroom to know this was going on.

All of this.

Y'all know I'm not Holly's biggest fan - it's abundantly clear that I disagree with some of her decisions and that's not likely to change any time soon - but, at the risk of sounding like that meme, that's just my opinion. My personal opinion of Holly doesn't give me the right to tell her she is 110% lying about being abused just because I didn't personally view it. That's why I'm not making a judgment either way - not until more info comes out.

That part DID confuse me too, though. I get anger, I get being upset at seeing someone skate through life while you're struggling - but the "But I am the one who was cancelled" confused me. It comes across as an attempt at guilt tripping the internet, like a "You all tried to cancel the victim instead of the rapist!" when she hadn't so much as made a peep about any allegations of wrong-doing on Ross's part. None of us were in their marital bedroom - how the fuck should we all have known to call Ross out when she didn't even say anything until 3+ years after their divorce?

Also, it drives me nuts that she's now "Set your boundaries!" when she openly mocked Heidi's boundaries when this all started, but that's neither here nor there.

I've thought that from day one, Anon.

Holly was more than willing to play along when it was going to be an open, poly relationship; It was all "I'm sorry that you felt betrayed, I didn't know that Jared wasn't respecting your boundaries; I just want to be friends!" - but the minute Heidi said she was no longer comfortable with having an open marriage (specifically because she felt that Jared and Holly were really in love VS just having sex), it became a tale of how Heidi was hella abusive and essentially holding Jared hostage in the marriage against his will. She practically mowed Heidi down with accusations of abuse to get what she wanted i.e. a relationship with Jared. Like, I'm sorry - but if the man I allegedly love is in what I believe to be an abusive marriage, I'm going to be more concerned with getting him out and to a place of safety - not indulging whatever sexual or romantic desires he inspired in me - and I'm sure as shit not going to respond to him announcing his separation/divorce with an "I'm so sorry you're going through this!" if it meant that he was finally free of his alleged abuser.

I won't say she's a bad person since all any of us really know is the public persona she puts forth - but I will absolutely say that she tends to tweet things about someone should act and then immediately holds different standards for the ones she supports.

Example #1: The initial drama where she said "If Heidi was really abused, why would she go back to the house of the person who abused her?" followed up almost immediately by something to the effect of "It's okay that it took Jared so long to leave her, it takes an abuse victim on average of 7 times to leave their abuser!"

Example #2: When allegations of Jared with minors came out, she said "These accusations have legal ramifications, therefor no one can comment on them or share information publicly" - but here we are, two years later, with her making serious legal accusations towards Ross in a very public manner.

I don't know, Anon.

There are several previous statements Holly has made that are directly conflicting with her current/recent actions - like the time she tweeted "trial by twitter is wrong and not the way to deal with actual predators" and yet here we are. It's just at the point of giving off "Rules for thee, not for me" vibes.

It feels very much like one of her spirals - and again, before anyone tries it, I'm not saying she's lying, just that it is giving me Vietnam War-era style flashbacks to her previous twitter meltdowns. Like you, I don't hope ANYONE is a victim of abuse - but when the alternative is that she's lying about something THAT serious, yeah, I'm hoping she's telling the truth in the weirdest of ways.