But then I remembered you explaining that Doms are necessarily the semes nor subs the uke. And with Deanpharm and Seanwhite, the interest is entirely mutual and equally pursued(though Pharm is a total Blushing Maiden), but there IS a strong D/s vibe in both couples.

So my question is, is there a seme/uke dynamic in those relationships?

So right now I'd argue that there is none with the leads in The Eclipse. I mean Aye is the active aggressor but is that just flirtatious character or does he have intent to pursue a real relationship or is there an ulterior motive? What happens if Akk decides to flip the dynamic? Which he certainly could at any moment. 

Eclipse is a lot more like Bad Buddy in this regard. Which I don't think really had seme/uke. I love it that Thailand is finally moving away from this model.

Vice Versa Jimmy is shorter but his character is clearly the aggressor but also is in doubt with a possible ulterior motive, and being an ACTOR character his interest can always be considered performative. Also I am pretty sure they are going to play with us, and roles, because of that title. Or they will if they’re clever, and it feels like them might try to be clever with this one. 

In Sky in my Heart Fah also shorter, but definitely the seme, mostly because I doubt Mek could play an uke to save his life. 

Incidentally actors who have successfully played both roles number essentially 2: Gong Jun (Advance Bravely and Word of Honor) and Tay Tawan (Kiss series and 3 Will Be Free). 

SeanWhite I don’t think really had much seme/uke. I would call it a weak dynamic and a lot of the seme/uke feel came from OffGun’s style and pre-existing dynamic. But also I’d argue Not Me isn’t really that much of a BL so it doesn’t bother to bow to the conceits of the genre. 

DeanPharm on the other hand, I would call classic seme/uke. Practically poster children. Their alter selves were not, and that’s part of the disconnect and discomfort with the reincarnation. Pharm lost much of Inn’s autonomy to fear and timidity because of how his past life ended. Just because Dean is soft and a great communicator never discount his semeness. He is entirely in charge of pursuing their relationship, it’s just he’s also willing to back off because his past self was the one that fucked up and he must atone for that. Part of that atonement is limiting his own needs and desires in a very un-seme way. But in the end he gets what he wants. 

More like this?

BL couples where there is no seme/uke 

Demi Seme 

Strong Seme/Uke But Still Gentle? 

Any BLs where the seme has more feminine traits? 

Aggressive & Autonomous Ukes in BL - when the Uke Forced to Undertake the Seme Role

I JUST LOVE IT OKAY!!!!! Favorite trope forever! 

Minato’s Laundromat 

Old Fashion Cupcake 

Guardian 

Private Lessons 

Some More 

Tasty Florida 

HIStory 2: Crossing the Line 

HIStory 3: Make Our Days Count 

HIStory 4: Close to You (yeah yeah bite me) 

En of Love: Tossera 

Gen Y 

2 Moons 2 

Lovely Writer 

Manner of Death 

Oxygen 

Puppy Honey 

SOTUS 

Top Secret Together 

Until We Meet Again 

Y-Destiny 

You’re My Sky 

Brothers 

From 2023

Future the series

Love Class 2

Love Mate 

Moonlight Chicken

Kiseki: Dear to Me (sort of)

Love Tractor

The Eighth Sense (sort of)

From 2024 (so far)

Began Beginning

Only Boo!

Pit Babe (sort of)

Sahara-sensei to Toki-kun (beware)

Although I Love You and You

Perfect Propose

Unknown

AKA my CATNIP 

More in depth reviews and discussions on some of these here:

A while ago tsukiyadori asked about characters like Aoki (My Love Mix-Up) & Zon (Why R U?). These are characters whose bisexual identity crisis becomes EVERYONE’S problem. Much more common in uke, but there are a few seme out there too. Ryu/Ryoma from Love Stage!! definitely qualifies. Especially Ryoma. 

In fact, there are a TON of these from Japan. This archetype is real common in manga because the emotional extremes and companion klutzy slapstick behavior is fun to draw. Also there’s a prevailing Japanese inclination to find this not so much awkward as cute. Or maybe it’s just that awkward = cute. 

The Chaos Muffins of BL

JAPAN

Mob in A Man Who Defies the World of BL 1 & 2. Takes on chaos as a religion. 

Adachi in Cherry Magic, everyone’s favorite chaotic mind reader. Actually knows what people are thinking, still freaks out about it. Also Tsuge, SO BONKERS his boyfriend calls him out on it.

Ozaki is Same Difference, chaos wears a suit.

Aoki in My Love Mix Up, drama queen of the memes, ruler of chaos nation.

Amagi in Takara & Amagi, world’s cutest tiny typhoon of chaos. 

Minato in Minato’s Laundromat, chaos should know better. 

Ryoma in Love Stage!! the seme side of chaos.

Haruta in Ossan’s Love. Probubly responsible for mapping chaos nation.

Hira in My Beautiful Man, chaos comes in stalker & awkward to match all your wardrobe needs.

THAILAND

JackKoh KohJack in Gen Y 2. 

Can in LBC 1 & 2. 

Ryo in Love Stage!! (not as much as the original). Also Thee + his buddies. 

Zon in Why R U?

The entire cast of Secret Crush On You, except Intouch.

And, similarly, everyone but Pun in YYY.

The emotional support queers in Tonhon Chonlatee.

Love in Great Men Academy might qualify. But I always hesitate to call this one BL. Also the neighbor phis in TharnType 1 & 2 whose names I can never remember. And whoever wrote The Tuxedo. 

KOREA

Korean chaos monkeys are so tame as to hardly compare but maybe:

YeonSeok of First Love Again

SangHa of Mr. Heart

SeolWon of Oh! Boarding House

TAIWAN

Taiwan similarly few, possibly Zhao in HIStory 3: Trapped, and LiCheng in HIStory 4. Also the premier himbo chaos bi from H3 the BL that shall not be named. 

CHINA 

LuLin in My Esports Genius Brother is a total chaos muffin, but not in exactly the same way as others because aggressive autonomous uke and also… China, but still worth a mention. It’s an extremely strange but oddly appealing show, mostly because of this character. So if you really like this archetype, you might give it a try.  

XiaoYu from River Knows Fish Heart reps for China’s seme version of this variant.

Honorable mention to Tay Tawan, IRL chaos muffin.

BL character archetype that I love 

BRATS! 

Xia Yao in Advanced Bravely 

Gu Hai in Addicted Heroin 

Lu Lin in My Esport Genius Brother 

Kiyoi in My Beautiful Man 

Yoo Han in Color Rush 

Jung Woo in My Sweet Dear

Jae Young‬ in Semantic Error (psycho brat) 

Tae Joo in Where Your Eyes Linger 

The Merman in 49 Days With A Merman 

Yu Hao in HIStory 2: Crossing the Line 

Jack in HIStory 3: Trapped (deadly psycho variant) 

Li Cheng in HIStory 4: Closer to You 

I think a brat (in the narrative archetype sense) can be either uke or seme (if that dynamic is in place). Although I recognize that in kink it is almost entirely a subs domain. Korea seems to really like a seme brat. Also worth noting, seme brats are usually paired with tsundere ukes. 

This is a fun character to watch but can push into annoying if the actor isn’t careful. Brats tease and make fun for the sake of it, specifically to get a rise out of their partners. But they aren’t malicious about it and they don’t have to be tsundere either. In fact, sometimes they are quite sunny (see Nampu in Top Secret Together). But if the push too much without showing weakness or affection, then they can come off as harsh and unsympathetic. 

There’s spoiled rich kid variants. 

There are overly emotional lost boys looking for someone to ground them. 

And there obtuse idiots who are dipping pigtails because they don’t realize they are in love. 

Thailand’s Brats! 

Okay so some of these are also other archetypes, but here we go!

Tine in 2gether 

Pete in the Kiss series

Fiat in Don’t Say No (bratiest of all brats) 

Tagmo in Great Men Academy 

Mark in Gen Y (but not really in season 2)  

Duen in My Engineer (serious linguistic brat)

Kao in Oxygen 

Pick in Puppy Honey (asshole varient) 

Na in Tonhon Chonlatee (sunglasses variant) 

Nampu in Top Secret Together (kitten variant) 

Win & Team in Until We Meet Again (the rare pairing of the brats) 

Nuea in Y Destiny (spoiled prince variant) 

San in You’re My Sky (seme is a puppy variant) 

Apparently in Thailand brats have a tensity to be a bit flash with their clothing and accessories, or lack there of. 

This is a difficult character to act and still have be sympathetic. The brat has to be a little bit broken or a little bit fragile or a little bit insecure. There has to be a need driving the brattiness, which is why I think a brat like Duen (My Engineer) doesn’t work where a brat like Kiyoi (My Beautiful Man) or Team (Until We Meet Again) does. All of these are tsundere uke characters, but Kiyoi and Team both clearly needs something desperately from their semes, where as Duen just seems to be bratty for the sake of it. 

A tsundere uke who is bratty out of obtuseness, willful ignorance, or idiocy (yes I am thinking about Tine in 2gether) is a harder one for me to take. And there are a few tsundere uke who might cross into brattiness now and then but if their core struggle is about identity and the seme is being his usual aggressive  self, I tend to give these ones a pass and not really think of them as brats (Jin in Nitiman, for example). 

The brat can also cross pollinate with the autonomous uke. Another favorite archetype of mine. 

This one came via request from @weekendatennuis​ who reminded me I hadn’t done brats yet!

Oooooh, lovely challenge, let's go! 

kuudere クーデレ = a character who is calm and collected and never panics, shows little emotion, and can even be completely emotionless. They may be hiding true feelings deep down, but rarely (if ever) show them. This archetype is popular for: older siblings, teachers, morally grey, ancient supernatural (gods), and warrior characters. 

stern daddy is stern 

Kuudere Characters in BL

There are fewer of these in general because Thailand dominates BL and they do NOT like kuudere, too emo. But I think I can find you a few. They mostly gonna come from China tho, so that means censored bromances. It also means this is almost always the seme character. 

FROM CHINA 

Advance Bravely's Yuan Zong. 

We will never know if he's secretly a cinnamon roll, but I suspect as much. Still I think he fits the bill. Warning this BL is wackdoodle, Chinese censorship got ahold of it and instead of sad or depressing like normal, it just got weird af (with no actual f, of course).

Guardian's Puppet Master. 

This is a censored bromance but this side couple is so cute - very grumpy sunshine. He is stoney faced and entirely unflappable, as one might expect from an ancient alien with a super creepy power. Are they a couple? Maaayyyybeeee. Certainly in my universe. 

K.O. from Love O2O. 

Unequivocally my favorite on this list. This is a very very subtle side couple, but they gay, no doubts here. K.O. is pitch PERFECT kuudere. He doesn’t enter the series until half way through and they are very very side dishy, so you might not want to bother with the series just for them. Still, perky sunshine coder and badass hacker is probubly the best pairing ever to happen in modern cinema and I am wrecked we haven’t gotten an actual BL for this trope yet. 

Mr frostypants from the Untamed. 

Yeah yeah, bite me. But I think you could make a case for boy’s got a kuudere flute stuck up his proverbial arse. In the best possible way, of course. 

FROM THAILAND  

There may be a few more from Thailand than I listed, but I think that it is mainly wooden acting. (I thought long and hard about Itt from My Gear and Your Gown and then was like, “Why I’m I thinking so much about this crap show?” and stopped.) 

Phu from Oxygen. 

He’s about as close as Thailand gets to kuudere. This is the side dish seme in this series, and I found him profoundly unlikeable, but he fits the bill. 

Dean in Until We Meet Again. 

Okay he cracks a smile a few times but generally he’s totally unflappable. Honestly, I stuck him on this list because he is basically linguistically kuudere (SO COOL). Which is to stay, the way he speaks Thai is SO curt, and he is almost always entirely stoney faced. That changes in the later half of the series, but his language always remains sharp, and cool, and abrupt, bordering on rude but somehow not. And he’s allowed to get away with it because of his personality!  

There were a couple boys who almost make this list from Korea and Taiwan but actually turn out to be too much stundere semes for me. 

Honestly, I am probubly missing a ton from Japanese dark BL. 

It’s an archetype they loved to use (like Boys Love) often in the uke character. This is because, narratively, when a kuudere uke won’t budge or relent he gives the seme “license” to spiral into murder, mutilation, rape, and so forth. But there is a reason I only watch those shows once. 

Honestly my favorite BLs tend to be ones were there is no real villain (Light On Me, We Best Love, To My Star, Seven Days, 1000 Stars, Cherry Magic, Wish You, et al...) it just circumstances or they just idiots or both.

John (anyone else miss Nicky?) in SOTUS S is a great villain. Probubly my favorite. I found him realistic to the situation. There are always assholes like him in any cubical workplace. Maybe he’s a bit more one dimensional than IRL, but yeah, he was easy to hate. (I actually really like SOTUS S, sometimes better than the original.)

Good Baddies: Evil Crazy Exes & Crushes Who Won’t Back Down

AKA The Faen Fatal in Thai BL 

Of the two my preference (I guess you could say) is for the crush variant not the ex variant. (Maybe it’s because I am usually the one to leave a relationship but I do NOT get wanting to get back together with an ex. Here’s a motto for you: Always remember why you loved them and never forget why you left them.) 

I might be alone in this but I really like Non in Dark Blue Kiss. I think you can see why he is the way he is and acts the way he does. He wants Kao and goes after him even though he's just a spoiled high school kid. He handles his crush badly because he's a neglected child. His motivation is never in question. Maybe it’s just that I know people like him and so he felt very realistic to me. 

Aey in Lovely Writer is similar, but I think they should have portrayed his crush on Gene earlier and with more delicacy because that twist (narratively) came out of nowhere. 

I have a weird soft spot for Alex in UWMA, but he’s really just a plot devise. I don’t think he ranks faen fatal level. That said, he was the first out bisexual character I ever noticed in a Thai BL, so I forgive him a lot (including playing into the slutty predatory bi archetype). 

My least favorites are Long in TharnType (or most all of Mame’s baddies) and whats-her-face in Tonhon Chonlatee. 

Other antagonists I like that aren't faen fatals?

Well that tends to be parents. 

Bad Buddy would be the most extreme version but the parents are kind of the bad guys in UWMA, WBL, Oxygen, Lovely Writer and a number of other BLs. That’s the nature of the YA, coming of age, coming out, self actualization beast tho. Parents are required to be either: bad, evil, absent, or waft in as ultra supportive plot devices. (This last I like so much I chronicle it.) 

For me the grandfather character in He’s Coming to Me is the best version of this archetype. I like a truly evil greedy patriarch character. 

Top 10

Manic Pixie Dream Boys of BL 

Tine in 2gether 

Can in A Chance at Love 

Kao in Oxygen 

Seo Joon in To My Star 

Yoo Han in Color Rush 

Yuzuru in Seven Days 

Yamato Kumai in Restart After Come Back Home

Xia Yao in Advance Bravely 

Wen Ke Xing in Word of Honor 

Wei Wuxian in The Untamed 

The Manic Pixie Dream Boy is an archetype BL character usually depicted as a whimsical, quirky, eccentric, high energy, fantasy boy with a sunny/frank disposition who saves the other character from a self inflicted grumpy isolation and/or reluctance to love. While it is usually the uke character this is not always the case. 

Honorable mention to:

These pairs of manic pixie dream boys saving each other. 

HIStory 3: Trapped

YYY

You Are My Boy 

And these two goobers who rep for the archetype as friends of the protagonists in Tonhon Chonlatee: 

Top 10 Tsundere Seme in Thai BL 

Forth in 2 Moons 2 

Pete in Dark Blue Kiss 

Tin in Love By Chance & A Chance at Love 

Itt in My Gear & Your Gown 

Phu in Oxygen 

Pick in Puppy Honey 

Tonhon in Tonhon Chonlatee 

Korn in Until We Meet Again 

Fighter in Why R U 

Copy in Top Secret Together

Outside of Thailand? 

Yuan Zong in Advance Bravely (China - got censored) 

Han ji Woo in To My Star (Korea)

Eun Kyu in The Tasty Florida (Korea) 

Kang Gook in Where Your Eyes Linger (Korea)

Jin Won in Mr. Heart (Korea) 

Hong Seok in You Make Me Dance (Korea) 

Shi Yi Jie in HIStory 2: Right or Wrong (Taiwan) 

Tang Yi in HIStory 3: Trapped (very weak seme/uke dynamic)