Ok so it is currently 1am and I have to be awake at 4am to catch a flight but Iāve just remembered something that needs to be shared-
Nomās second(?) ever message from the Creaking King: āIāve seen your death, she does not spare you, āknightāā
And Katieās choice in the finale- the option to take the corruption and become an Acolyte of the Creaking King in Nomās place, which she refused, letting Nom die.
Watching back the VOD, I also noticed that Katie was the person who broke the final piece of the Creaking Heart, allowing Sausage to be killed and Nom to die with him.
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// kinda bannerfall spoilers, it involves a lore item but it technically happened in an out of lore stream
So when 4c was pretending to be Katie's imaginary friend today, the sniffer died, then katie died and dropped her stuff for the umpteenth time that day. During that, 4c picked up her book on being a good monarch and wrote this for her to find
My personal headcanon is that Katie wrote it herself while grieving the sniffer and missing 4C. She wrote this while imagining what he would say to comfort her. Except, she had to keep erasing and rewriting it while staring at the signs 4C placed to copy his handwriting so she could at least pretend he was there to write it. Yāknow instead of the sad truth that she never got the chance to ask or even say goodbye.
fifth chapter of Salvation! Itās my second favourite; and itās called Oh, Brother, Where Art Thou? Also have the notes from before the chapter started for a bit of context :)
Nom: I miss my rogue, guys. I miss him a lot /ref
This chapter is brought to you by the power of my spite for the guy (on ao3) who tried to tell me to be embarrassed about calling myself an artist for the Bannerfall Scaleshifter Nom art I did so heck them I do what I want <3
This is set two weeks in the past, and itās supposed to be when Nom was about to unearth the mace, then decided ānahā and āthrew it into the seaā and came back to Bannerfall after 4 days
ā¦it may or may not be me trying to write a bit more Nom lore
Upon returning to the Kingdom, Nominal can sense something has changed.
The Kingdom can be quiet sometimes, its denizens always appearing to be off doing various tasks or sleeping, but this isĀ different.Ā Heās no expert, but surely being raised in a land where war is looming over his head at any moment has given him a better feel for something being amiss, and that sense is setting off an alarm in his mind now.
A first careful assessment of his immediate surroundings tells Nom that there doesnāt seem to have been an attack, or not a severe one at the very least. There isnāt any visible damage, in fact, some buildings lookĀ betterĀ than he remembers seeing them when he left. There isnāt the scent of fire or blood in the air, only flowers and the tinge of magic left behind by a Mageās spell. Scott mustāve shrunk someone again.
Nothing seems toĀ actuallyĀ be wrong.
So whatās wrong?
Is it him?
Heās spent around 4 days away from everyone and everything, first to consider taking out the mace before deciding against it, then ensuring that he would be returning with a (relatively) clear head, and avoid any possibility of being overwhelmed again. He can take no chances of being in a lack of control over his body. One wrong move, and the consequences will be more than just his sister turning to Red.
Speaking of, heĀ shouldĀ go apologize to Graecie, even if itĀ wasĀ her that told Katie about his oath. Now that heās had a few days to calm down, he recognizes that he could have handled that better, and the comment about their friendship hurts more now that heās in the mind to actually understand.
That is, assuming sheāll allow him to get close enough to try.
He wonāt know until he makes the effort, however, and he is determined. Already, he misses the reliability of her companionship, her advice, and typically steady mind when it came to assuaging worries (of which he has had oh so very many).
As the Draconic knight moves through the streets, heĀ finallyĀ picks up the sound of voices nearby. Tilting his ears, Nominal advances quietly.
ā⦠lanterns. Uh⦠here, see, like this.ā Owain.
There is the shuffling of feet, the heavy clank of armour, and the dull clatter of wooden boards as the man presumably reassembles whatever heād been working on.
āāCause then the⦠Shan? Shan, are you alright?ā
Nominal rounds the corner, met with the sight of Shandrea valiantly avoiding tearing up as Owain moves to come in front of her and carefully puts a hand on her shoulder.
Owain looks up, catching the Scaleshifterās eye and nodding only once to acknowledge his presence before returning his attention to the distraught elf, murmuring soft assurances.
There is a sadness to the Mage that Nom hasnāt seen before. Sure, theyāve only known each other for a matter of months, but still. Itās a sense of loss, and while that could be anything from the loss of materials to a beloved relative, he canāt simply leave her to her distress just because the Lion is there to help her through it.
Nominal approaches carefully, and Owain moves to direct Shandreaās attention to him so she can process that (though she says nothing of his arrival), as he expands the conversational circle to include Nom.
āShan, are you okay?ā The Draconic knight asks, watching the elven woman shake her head and lose the battle against her emotions. She wipes her eyes, takes several shuddering breaths, and shuffles into the hug Owain offers her for a couple seconds before regaining control enough to speak.
ā4C is⦠missing.ā She explains quietly. She always spoke a little more softly than other people in the Kingdom, but there is a graveness to her words that make it sink a little deeper.
āWhat do you mean,Ā missing?Ā Heās been gone for a few days at a time before, heās probably just sneaking around somewhere again. I swear, itās like we hardly see him anymore.ā Nominal points out, but Shandrea fervently shakes her head and steps forward. Her shoulders draw up and close, she holds her arms, and she can no longer look at the Draconic knight.
āIĀ watchedĀ him go. I saw him disappear right in front of me, and itāitĀ wasnātĀ a Hearthstone or another Mageās spell. Something took him.ā She insists. āHe kept saying that he was in trouble with God. I⦠I think he was right.ā
Nom looks at Owain in mute question, receiving a slight tip of the head in confirmation. āSo this is connected to his whole āI have to play all these Farkle games or God takes my soulā thing? I thought he was just being dramatic about it.ā
āThe Gods do not give their threats lightly. And considering it has been around⦠I think two days, nowāsince anyone has seen him, Iām inclined to believe that this is a result of that.ā Owain states, as Nominalās tail rattles behind him. Owain is very dead-set in the belief that Gods are realāthe Knight God specifically. And Sausage having claimed to have gained his powers from Lady Death herself is another point that the Scaleshifter cannot simply ignore, yet he doesnāt quite believe they exist himself. Rather than voice this, he decides to simply go with it for the time being.
āAnd weāreĀ sureĀ this isnāt some new trick from the Red Kingdom? That Necromancer⦠I donāt know exactly what he can do, but maybe he worked with their Mage or even their rogues, and did something to him?ā The Draconic knight muses aloud, though heās mostly thinking to himself than actually asking for input.
āIt was not the Red Kingdomās doing, lizard knight.ā A new voice states, followed by Kittyās appearance out of the shadows just behind Owain, causing the Lion to jump. āYouĀ have been gone for multiple days, and yet, we are not the reason for your disappearance. Why must you assume we have taken your friend now?ā
They do have a point.
However, itās also Red Kingdom. He canāt trust them, not fully.
āI donāt know, but thereās only so many things thatĀ couldĀ have happened.ā Nom replies. Kitty cocks his head, the scarf trailing behind him settling into stillness as he stops moving. Nominal has never been able to get a read on what the feline-turned-human may be thinking, even after having spent time in their body. Their gaze is something that feels distinctly incorrect for a human, closed and quiet, but perceptive and knowing, confident and alert.Ā The same is true now.
Owain steps forward. āWeāve talked with Cherri and Cam; they donāt know what happened to him either. He isnāt in their jails, he didnāt teleport back home, and thereās been no trace of his presence anywhere.ā Kitty nods, drifting a little closer to the Lionās side.
āHe may still return. Your friend is not as easy to kill as he seems.ā She offers, taking a moment to bat at the feather in her hat as it moves in front of her face. Sighing, Nominal lets his tail curl loosely behind himselfāor tries to, as it begins to sweep from side to side.
Maybe heāll show up somewhere soon, and itāll all be okay, but for now, the knight cannot shake the feeling that he must find the slime.
* * *
Stepping across the No-Manās-Land bridge, Nominal charges past the opposing Kingdomās gates, immediately seeking out the last place he remembers the Red Kingdom designating a jail.
ā4C?Ā 4C, are you here?ā He shouts, poking his head in the door and moving to individually inspect each cell before moving on.
He remembers the castle held a jail; Katie having been jailed there for a while under Camās rule. Thereās someone in the background he can hear, but they arenāt 4C so he doesnāt pay them any mind.
The castle itself has seen marked improvement, clearly displaying the range of talent in the Red Kingdom as there is more elegance and care shown in the arches lining the long hallway and stonework behind the throne. ā4Cvit, whereĀ areĀ you?ā
He canāt smell the faint residue left by the slimeās presence, nor can he see any signs of the same, though he does smell that the Frogue was here at some point.
Regardless, 4C is not here, so he moves on.
In his search, he shoves open a door, disrupting Apo and Cherri as they look up in surprise from their game of Farkle.
āNom,Ā whatĀ are you doing here?ā Apo demands, already on their feet with spear in hand, and while Cherri does the same, it isnāt done with as much combative readiness.
ā4C. Is he here? Where are you keeping him?ā Nominal says, letting his gaze roam the room and discover that it appears to be a communal space. Thereās that button in Cherriās house that leads to a secret room; maybe heās been put in there?
āI donāt know, we havenāt seen him.ā Apo answers, watching Cherri as the princess approaches the enemy knight.
āAre you okay, Nom? You look kindaā¦ā She hesitates, and in that time, the Scaleshifter turns and leaves them to their game.
4C cannot just beĀ gone.Ā
Not like this.
He was supposed to keep himĀ safe.Ā What was the point of saving him, of breaking his oath, if heās failed to ensure the reason he had remains? It has been around 3 days since he returned and found out the rogue was declared missing. Nobodyās seenĀ anyĀ signs of him, and while Shandrea continues to state that he simply disappeared in front of her eyes, surely there must be more to it than that.
HeĀ hasĀ to find him.
Thereās a collection of voices behind him now instead of just one, following close as he strides through the Kingdom in search of anywhere they may be imprisoning his friend.
One of the voices is Katieās.
āNomāNom,Ā stop,Ā heās not here!ā Katie shouts, shoving herself in front of him and forcing him to stop or go around her, of which he attempts the latter.
āWhere else could he be? ItāsāI know people keep saying it, but itās not like he justĀ disappeared.ā Nominal spits, only now becoming aware of the ever-constant ticks and rattles that accompany him, louder than the sounds of armour and footsteps. When did they start? He canāt remember. Itās been in his subconscious for enough time that heād tuned it out entirely.
Katie draws out her shield and shoves him, hard enough that he stumbles for a moment. It isnāt a shield bash, but it is powerful nonetheless.
āHeĀ did,Ā Nominal. I donāt know how, but he did. Iām worried about him, too, but you donāt see me tearing apart your Kingdom just to find him.ā She replies, and finally, the Scaleshifter backs off. Katie sighs, lowering her shield and glancing around. Someoneās still coming their wayāthe clank of armor suggesting Apo and Cherri trailing after him, or Bek. āLookāIāllĀ look for him around Red Kingdom, okay? I swear I will. But you should get out of here before youāre thrown in jail. Although, maybe a bit of time in a cellĀ wouldĀ do you some good.ā The Red knight ushers him off before he can give a quip in reply, slows once sheās certain heāll actually leave on his own, then falls back entirely to presumably delay whoever was following them.
Curling his hands into fists, Nominal trudges his way back to his own Kingdom, passing Scott on the way, though the elf wisely keeps his distance, watching from afar as the Draconic knight plunges into the Well (Well Well).
* * *
The darkness clouds over his awareness like a sheet of inky mist put over his eyes. It warps his perception as the ghost of sensation teases him with suggestions of what may be lurking in the shadows around him.
Even with his advanced vision, there is no identifying what could be a handful of inches from his face, though he isnāt as sensitive to light as Kitty claims to be. ItĀ hasĀ affected him, however: his night vision is not as strong as it was a few years ago. Having lit pathways and humans/other creatures that truly do need the light of a lantern or torch has meant that he also doesnāt need the ability to see in the dark so much, and as such he has begun to lose it.
There is a burst of pops, groans, wooden squeaks, and low notes that announce the arrival of the Creaking King, which is admittedly a slight surprise. Perhaps Nominal has caught his attention today.
āHm. I did not expect to see you here.ā
Nominal huffs, coiling his tail in a wide semi-circle around his legs. āOh, so weāre talking again? What do you have for me this time?ā He asks, ears lifted and angled to hear the direction of the raspy words better.
āYou will not find him here. He has been taken from this place, far beyond your walls.ā
Nom freezes, feeling his lips start to pull back. āWhat.ā He growls. He doesnāt allow himself to make noises like that if he can help it, both to avoid any possibility that someone realizes reptiles donāt make noises like he does, and to simply try and feel more human.
Regardless, this is one of the cases where that means nothing.
āYour efforts are in vain. He will die, far, far away and alone. I look forward to watching the guilt consume you.ā
The knight commits to baring his teeth, readying to charge forward with his sword drawn, only to run into Scott instead as his interaction with the Creaking King abruptly concludes.
He stops, abandoning the snarl for a momentarily confused expression that quickly becomes apologetic. Scott has his hands up, not to defend himself but to catch Nom and steady him. The elf tips his head in a silent reassurance, but it does little to stop Nomās guilt.
āDonāt let him get in your head. Heās trying to rile you up so you make stupid decisions.ā The elf tells him gently, stepping away once heās certain the knight has his footing and sense about him again.
Nominal nods, but as he takes heavy, deep breaths that threaten to become a low growl in the notch where his throat meets his chest, the realization settles like a net cast over him.
The Creaking King knows about 4C.
He knows that 4C is missing.
āNom? Are you good?ā Scott asks, as Cherri slows to check on him as well.
āWas the Creaking King extra mean today?ā She inquires. Itās asked lightly, but her concern is genuine. Itās akin to the look sheād given him a day ago when he raided her Kingdom.
Drawing his shoulders back and attempting to appear less tense and shaken as he is, the Scaleshifter nods. āHe always has a way of knowing just what to say to piss me off.ā He replies, then forcibly focuses his attention on the task at hand, belatedly identifying the scent of fear beneath flowers, magic, and the dank, stale odor of the Creakings paired with the ancient stone surrounding them. Rolling his shoulders, the knight weaves past Cherri to follow Apo down the hall.
āIāll make sure to hit him extra hard this time.ā
* * *
Nominal stands on the walls of the Kingdom, looking out at the opposing Kingdom in the distance. Shandrea had said that 4C had disappeared while they were in the Red Kingdom. HeĀ wouldĀ go look for clues again (peacefully), but he doesnāt feel like dealing with Apo or the Necromancer right now. Besides, according to the Creaking King and all facts thus far, 4C isnāt even in the Kingdoms at all. Heās somewhere else.
What if heās in danger?
He had saved the rogue and brought him back to Blue Kingdom thinking that heād be safe here. Heād tried to keep him safe.
In his recent upset and following absence, it appears Nominal has failed, and now is in danger of losing another part of his already split family. It would be his fault. Had he been there, he would have been able to do something to stop his friend from disappearing, he knows it.
The Draconic knight sighs, slowly flexing his fingers and leaning against the battlements. Heād removed his gloves to give his hands a little reprieve from the leather and metal rubbing them raw all day, and while thatās good, now he has to be careful, otherwise he might cut himself.
The soft sound of footsteps begin drowning out the incessant, clatter that follows him like his own shadow has gotten louder, more intense, no longer subtle enough to be overlooked by his thoughts. It informs the knight that someoneās coming, so he turns his head to identify them before halting entirely, leading to a rare moment of true silence, brief as it is.
āGraecie.ā Nom says. Heās meant to approach her for days, now, but finds himself unprepared for the present reality of her coming to him first. His ears lower and flatten slightly against his head, an unavoidable indication of his emotions.
āYouāre going to go look for him.ā The elf states softly, evidently withholding. Withholding what? Anger? Support? Discomfort? Displeasure?
Slowly, Nominal nods. āIĀ haveĀ to. I⦠if somethingās taken him, and heās in danger, I have to go find him.ā Graecie nods stiffly in return. He doesnāt need to elaborate on that; he trusts that she knows. āBut before I do, we need to talk. TheāGraecie, Iāā
The elven knight puts up her hand, shaking her head. āI donāt want to hear it. I⦠believe it or not, I donāt care about that right now. Iām here because youāre about to go look for your friend, and I want to make sure you donāt do anything stupid.ā
As Nominal steps back, he shakes his head. āI canāt take you with me. That wouldnāt be a good idea. Notānot after what Iāve said to you or whatās happened. And Blue Kingdom still needs you here. We canāt leave Owain to fend off the Red Kingdom knights alone.ā Graecie crosses her arms, sighing. She doesnāt seem to be truly mad, soft and solemn as her tone is, but sheās still not entirely pleased to be here. That he can tell.
So why would she come anyway, with how upset she is with him?
She said she wanted to make sure he wouldnāt do something stupid, but that hasnāt exactly stopped him before. She of all people knows that.
āAnd Iām not going to. I just want to hear your plan. If you justĀ leaveĀ with no warning, theyāll start asking questions. Shan and Mae are already distressed enoughāweĀ allĀ are. So what do I say when they start asking where you are?ā
The Scaleshifter looks at her, then tilts his head. āYou wouldnātĀ haveĀ to cover for me. I could justĀ sayĀ Iām going to look for 4C. There wouldnāt be anything wrong with that.ā He points out. It isnāt exactly a secret that he cares about the slimeāhis incursion into the Red Kingdom displayed as much rather clearly, and whoever didnāt know before certainly does now. And Scott is reasonable. Even when he wasnāt Monarch, he was patient and understanding. Surprisingly very understanding.
āFine. That is fair. Are you leaving tonight? Or tomorrow?ā She inquires.
āI⦠might go tonight, since you already know. I donāt need to prepare much, and whatever I really need, I can get plenty of on the way.ā He decides, shifting his stance and looking back out at the No-Manās-Land. He could stock up on a bit of bread or carrots, but that would do 4C more good than it would Nominal himself, so he wouldnāt need to account for as much as one would normally for two people. Graecie dips her head, then points at the mountains around their Kingdom. āYou might be able to start covering more ground if you start out behind the mountains, or down by the beach.ā She offers.
āThank you.ā Nominal starts. Truthfully, bringing Graecieāor anyone, reallyāwould be helpful, but with his current standings with the elf and the fact it would be just as uncomfortable to bring Katieāand cause both of them to be questioned, it isnāt a good idea. āAndāI swear, weĀ willĀ be talking about my accusation against you later. I just need to get 4C back first.ā The elven knight nods.
āI understand that heās your friend, youāre worried about him, and you already went to great lengths to save him once. ButĀ be smart,Ā okay? I might be mad at you, but that doesnāt mean I want to see you get hurtāor worse,Ā killed.Ā When you find him, I expectĀ bothĀ of you to come back home.ā
The Scaleshifter bows his head in acceptance, and Graecie visibly relaxes. There was a tautness to her posture, and while there is still much left unsaid and unaddressed, she has been relieved of some of the weight. The seconds tick by, drawing out further and further as neither knight has anything they seem willing to offer in order to continue the conversation.
Nominal steps back, breaking the deadlock-esque silence once again. āI will.ā He promises. āI mean, I canāt find him if Iām dead, so I will do my best to not die.ā The humour in his tone is almost nonexistent, but Graecie forces a light snort of amusement.
āGood. Iāll⦠good luck, then.ā They share another few moments of silence, until Graecie finally turns and leaves, so the Scaleshifter is once again the only one atop the wall.
He does not linger long, only staying until heās certain he wonāt run into the elven knight again before making his way down the steps himself to do some final checks, get anything he thinks he may need, then starts his journey toward the beach as the sun begins to rise.
A/N
āThe beach is where Cherri and Kitty see Dragon Nom. I imagine that space in the fic translated from the game is a bit bigger, so like, the walk from Blue Kingdom to the dungeon takes like, two, maybe three hours instead of a matter of minutes. Thankfully, Nominal has already shifted by the time Cherri and Kitty see him, but heās in the middle of taking to the sky and therefore doesnāt realize they were there.
āSo in my mind, Nom has a hoard. Like, shinies and treasure and all that. And then he has a second one, one made of the people he cares about. Right now, that consists of 4C and Katie. So now that 4C is actually gone, Dragon Hoard Brain is like ārahhhhh I must find himmmm where he beeeeeā and this has led to some irrational decisions. Such as perchance raiding the Red Kingdom to find little slime boy. Nom does have instincts, but I havenāt decided if heās not aware of them at all, or if heās trying to suppress them and that therefore causes them to influence his actions in moments of distress and lack of focus. Might be a bit of both ngl.Ā
āNom doesnāt hate being a Scaleshifter, but the more human he comes across as, the less people question him about the fact that heās not. The less of an outsider he feels like. After all, as far as the others are aware, the only way someone is supposed to be able to become a different creature is through a Mage spell, and he cannot and will not have Scott on standby each time he wants or needs to shift. Even with Mages before, he was attempting to hide his Draconic features, but with how much the success rate varied, and how most spells required constant concentration, it was not sustainable.Ā
āNominalās got like, relatively normal vocal cords, but he is capable of making deeper growls, purrs, snarls, hisses, and other Draconic sounds I totally have names/descriptions for. This also means he has a wider range of octaves, though most of them are in the lower register. In my mind, those would come from deeper in his chest, or at least, he felt them more prominently there. Also, just for the fun of it, you know how Nom can take sound bites or like, replay audio (idk exactly how bro does it ngl) to parrot other people? Main example being Katieās āIām so⦠Iām such a chudā quote. Thatās also a result of being mostly human but not entirely. He can mimic voices or sounds rather accurately, something all Scaleshifters can do, but not Dragons themselves.Ā
āThere was a time where Nominal would let Katie fly with him. Especially when they were younger. As Nom and Katie grew, Nom grew faster as a Dragon than he did as a human. So when Katie was within the ages of 1 month to 18 (months), Nom was small enough that heād be more like a family dog (medium? Kinda like, Labrador sized idk), and sometimes would curl around Katie to cuddle when sleeping. When they were both over the age of 10 and Nominal deemed big and strong enough, their mother finally allowed Nom to give Katie legitimate Dragonback rides, provided they stay close, stay under supervision, and Katie be sufficiently prepared (so like, special riding straps and protective gear and stuff). Eventually when they were older still, they started going on flights without the supervision, and while Nominal wonāt say it out loud, sometimes he misses those moments. He no longer has his set of riding gear; heās outgrown it and didnāt see the point in making more with Katie no longer in the Kingdom.
^Katie still has hers.Ā
āNominal cannot breathe underwater as a human or a Dragon, but heās actually very good at swimming. The tail helps a lot.Ā
āI usually throw Nomās VODS on in the background while I do things, so idk how the full bright thing really works, but thatās what Nominalās night vision is, just altered to work more like a muscle thatās not seen as much use and therefore begins to weaken. Itās a sort of film over his eyes, like a crocodile and that clear membrane that shields itās eyes from stuff underwater, which protects his eyesight from being damaged. If the membrane/film was in place all the time, it would be subjected to bright light a lot more, and therefore would be less effective and hurt him. Being able to choose when to have it in effect keeps his eyes safe from being overwhelmed by the light. If that makes sense. Idk.
āWhen Nominal eats something as a Dragon, the nutrition only slightly scales to his body. I donāt know how exactly to explain this, but like, say Nom eats an entire cow as a Dragon, then shifts back into human form. It wonāt change how he looks too much (otherwise it could kill him) but the amount of nutrition he gets is still very high,Ā Ā more so than if heād just eaten a cooked cod or something as a human. That kind of gives him a hack for sustainability. All he needs is to take a drink or eat something of sufficient size as a Dragon, then go back to human form to make it last. This only works if heās a Dragon for short periods of time, though, or he will have to start eating and drinking more to accommodate for his bigger body as a Dragon.
āThe Write Brain told me Graecie was supposed to see Nom off and historically people havenāt seemed to hate what the Write Brain tells me to do so I took a chance yet againĀ
āIdk how to write Kitty or Graecie yet so Iām sorry if they were OOC. I was working on vibes.
āAlso Iām not sure if BF!Nom was supposed to like, not believe in the gods in canon, bcs I havenāt seen any evidence that clearly tells me itās definitely one or the other, however Iām also kinda stupid so if he does believe in the gods then I apologize for the inaccuracy. I figured that since it seemed like Katie didnāt believe in the gods whenever 4C tried to tell her, Nom may not exactly believe in them either.
āAnyway I HAS DRAGON NOM IN FULL WAHOOOOOO
^It isnāt EXACTLY how I see him; his snout is a bit too long and the wings look awkward but itās the right idea. im just really bad at drawing dragons XD
If I ever need something to be sad about, I will think of Nom and Katie playing veinbound.
Because that was them. That was out of character- that was them that pleaded to not have to do this again when they realised one of them would have to sacrifice. That was cc!Nom telling Katie that it was her decision to make, then muting himself and silently begging her to ascend. That was cc!Katie who knew what Nom had picked and that there was no saving him, but choosing to sacrifice anyway just in case it might.