Education and Opportunity: Interns share their stories
Throughout the year, BAX hires two interns to work in the Education Department: a Community Outreach/YouthWorks Intern, hired to help facilitate our YouthWorks Festival & Teen Arts Conference and assist with our public school partners/teachers in residence as part of our Arts in Education programming, and an Education Intern, chosen to work closely within our walls and with our teachers and students on a day-to-day, internal basis, assisting with classes, student concerts and the like.
BAX strives to bring people who are transparently moving through the world in socially equitable waysĀ into the community. This mirrors BAXās work with organizations like the Peopleās Institute for Survival and Beyond (PISAB) and Race Forward. Our staff members attend meetings, seminars, and workshops dedicated to developing and improving upon racial and social equity within organizations, especially through the lens of serving the arts community.
Two of our interns for the 2018-19 Education season are Brooke Rucker (Education Intern) and Charlie Fischetti (Community Outreach/YouthWorks Intern). At this point in our season, Brooke has left after being here from August through January, and Charlie has just extended his stay with us to continue working with BAX until this summer. The two had a slight overlap, however did not work side-by-side on a lot of the same projects, as they have had different timelines here.
Above: Charlie Fischetti, Community Outreach/YouthWorks Intern.Ā
Below (L to R): Roxy Gordon, Education Assistant/Birthday Party Coordinator, and Brooke Rucker, former Education Intern.
Charlie, Brooke and I recently sat down for a quick sip at a café nearby BAX. On a sunny day, we had a joyful little reunion (as neither Charlie or I had seen much of Brooke since January).  We settled in for a moment, grabbed some coffees, and got into it.
What was your general experience throughout the season working at BAX?
BR: BAXās principles of racial equity and gender equality were already aligned with what I was interested in. [And] then being with the Education Department, I was really able to start practicing these things, especially with children, because theyāre already so young, and still so impressionableā¦I began to really start to notice the language I was using with children through that lens. When I entered [this position] at BAX those were the conversations we just kept having: how are we engaging with these kids, and how are we engaging with these parents?
CF: Yeah, I had the same sort of experience. All of my admin work became informed by those values and I kept kind of going back to them, in things that are beyond, like, strict data entry.
We got into discussing the differences between having these kinds of conversations with kids and adults. Something weāve all started to notice when working with or around children is that they are often much more intuitive about these things than we might have expected them to be. And yet along with that, weāve all witnessed or heard about moments where their learned social conventions are challenged and we see a glimpse of curiosity, or are met with questions rather than confirmations. Itās quite eye-opening to think about this comparatively between conversations weāve had with adults and with children.
BR: I feel like itās so engrained in usā¦like we donāt even realize how deeply our gender roles live in usā¦I remember reading [a teacher]ās post, and they were talking about how they were trying to introduce themselves to their students: you can call me, you know, Ms., Mr., Mx., itās like those little things you donāt even think about, like when introducing yourself; what do the kids, you know, call you?
CF: And the teachers have really good insight into those things⦠gender is something that affects everybody, and race also affects everybody, but people often only think about those things affecting people who are marginalized by gender and by race. But it really is a part of everybodyās experiences, and I think [itās important] if you have privileges or disadvantages, to bring those up; that [privilege] doesnāt mean you canāt talk about it and that it doesnāt affect you.
I find these conversations easier to have with kids [than adults].
We began recalling moments weāve encountered where kids say things or respond to prompts in a conventionally gendered manner. For example, asking kids to assume a character and noticing that all the girls chose feminine archetypes, like princesses or fairies, and all the boys chose more masculine archetypes, like superheroes. How do we approach and respond to these moments?
CF: Itās not like you canāt be princesses, but think about the other options!
BR: I feel like itās more like, opening their awareness; like its ok if you wanna be this, but you can also be this too, it is acceptable.
CF: I think especially in creative things, especially with kids, it really reveals a lot about things that kids are learning and are exposed to at early ages. And itās never too early to talk about those issues, because theyāre already being exposed to it⦠Yeah I mentioned something, about having a boyfriend once; this kid was like āmy hair is purple,ā and I was like, āoh yeah thatās my boyfriendās hair color,ā and a lot of the kids were like, alright thatās fun, but then there were a few who kind of challenged me on it, or would say, āthatās weird,ā and I said, āwhy is it weird?ā
What as individual people did you bring to the table in your position?
BR: For me, itās definitely being a black woman. I feel like anywhere I go, when Iām entering a space, bringing that, is like bringing everything. I think it was great for kids to get to see that in the space; black kids and white kids, because I feel like we are always āoh the black people, you know cater to the black kids and theyāre their role models, but itās also important for the white kids to be able to see that black people are in these positions [and spaces].
CF: Iāve brought more video and photo knowledge, and I think that has extended beyond education, which has been really fun. Iām working towards making changes in howā¦especially in education, like opening up documentation conversations with young kids, like thereās no correct answer but I think having sort of base line, ethical rules is a good place to start, ācause it can get, complicated and voyeuristic and seem like taking advantage when thatās obviously the opposite of what weāre trying to do.
And also as a trans person, Iāve been enjoying navigating that, especially since this is my first work experience where I donāt have toāpeople will gender me correctly if I donāt say anything, so itās interesting, now I have the option to bring it up. Iāve not always been in spaces like that. And I think thereās also a balance between wanting to be a representation for kids but then also knowing that my experience is still a slim representation of the trans experience, so I think having other trans and gender non-conforming people in the space has been great, because Iāve always been like, the trans person in the space.
What were some challenges/questions you came up against? Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā
BR: I think for me, my only challenge, per se, was that I didnāt know how to advocate or ask for more, ācause there were some times where I felt like I wanted to take on more or I wanted to learn more in the admin world. Everyone is super busy, and you donāt always have time to just sit down and teach someone things, but looking back at it now, I wish that I would have. Because thatās what the internship is for, like for you to learn from this organization. I donāt know if itās necessarily categorized as a challenge, but just looking back itās something that I wish that I would have done more of.
CF: Yeah, I think the fact that my internship has been extended now, going in I wanted to be more involved with marketing, and that is happening now, which is really great. Cross-departmental collaboration and things like this [are some things] I think a lot of organizations struggle with.
I didnāt really have any experience with kids before, so I think that was one of my biggestāI donāt know if challenge is even the right word, it was just new for me. Thereās no like, if this situation happens, hereās what to do, you just, gotta roll with itā¦sometimes kids come up with things and Iām [not sure] how to respond.
Highlights, favorite part of your job, any moments that stood out?
BR: I do have this one moment. For [two of our After School Pick Up students, weāll call them Ella and Jake for these purposes], their parent personally spoke to me when I first started picking them up and requested that I hold their hands, when we cross the street. So [Ella] like, always would hold my hand, like she loved holding hands but you know, [Jake] wasnāt really about it. [Laughs] So anyway one day we were walking back and I had Ellaās hand and all of a sudden, I felt this hand, reaching for mine, while we were crossing the street, and it was [Jake]; he had just put his hand in mine and I was like, my heart right now! [Chuckles] I was like, ādonāt say anything Brooke, just keep walking.ā [Laughs]
CF: In YouthWorks, there were these two kids waiting for their dress rehearsal, it was maybe a day before the show, and this one girl was really panicking like, āoh no I donāt know my lines, I donāt know the positionsā¦ā and I just leaned down and sat with her and was just said like, āWell, what can I do to make you more comfortable?ā I really didnāt try to impose; I just said, āCommunicate to me your needs,ā which I think is an important practice for kids. We kind of talked through what her actual worries were; because sometimes kids will say something but they actually mean something else, but they donāt know that they mean something else. We worked through communicating her actual needs.
Pieces of advice for the next person stepping into your position?
BR: I told Aviya [our current Education Intern] to take agency in the position, to make it her own. Go in there to help, but also to take. Take everything that you can, and donāt feel bad about really showing that youāre hungry and youāre really doing this to feed yourself.
CF: I think both of our positions, there are definitely tasks that you have to do throughout, but donāt be afraid to go beyond those, and bring your experiences, your passionsā¦everything is valuable, and being honest about what you need is important, whether that is being underwhelmed or overwhelmed. Iāve always felt like if there is too much on my plate, [at BAX] I feel comfortable going to somebody and asking for that, asking for prioritizing certain things which has always been an issue for me, Iām usually just like, āwell Iām just gonna handle it on my own and try to do all of it. But thatās unhealthyā¦itās a point of growth.
BR: it was a really great internship. And it came exactly when I needed it. I had just moved to New York, and I was just looking for something to grab a hold of, and it popped up; and I met so many people through it who have now become my community.
CF: BAX really is the intersection of a lot of organizations.
Brooke is currently working as Visioning Partner Assistant for Urban Bush Women, and writes for her blog, (Brooke)lynn. Check out her work on her website: brookerucker.com.
Charlie will be joining us as a Lead Counselor for our Summer Arts Program. This year, he was an Assistant Cameraperson for "Overstigmatized 2: The Stigma Stops Here," a feature-length thriller produced by Global Action ProjectĀ about the role of criminalization and police violence towards trans womxn of color. (see the trailer HERE). This summer he will also be resuming production as a cinematographer for a film directed by his friend Ashley Turzio. It's the story of a single immigrant mother who leaves her child behind and moves to New York to give her child a chance at a better life.
Brooke and Charlie are pictured here on the right, along with BAXās Education Director, Lucia Scheckner, Education Manager, Ashley Renee Thaxton-Stevenson, and current Education Intern, Aviya Hernstadt.Ā