about your responses about Dave & the current update - I actually got the same feeling that he was trying to ask 'how do I come out to my friends'
yeah! i mean he started to come out to john but that ended up kind of disastrous bc of johnāsĀ āstraight boy attitudeā
(and i donāt think that john meant anything malicious by it, and i think that john wants to be 100% supportive - heās just the straight boy friend who while being enthusiastic and supportive, doesnāt quite Get things and sometimes asks a hell of a lot of ignorant questions)
and it was clear that during that interaction dave was really anxious and idk if iād count it as really coming out because he never said straight upĀ āiām queerā orĀ āiām dating karkatā even if john managed to extrapolate at least that much
idk i just! my update interpretation was that when dave saidĀ āyou were dating jakeā he had this pause like ohhh my god my bro was probably gay or bi and not a douchey straight guy and he might not have hated me more just for dating guys this is a weird and startling revelation
and thenĀ āhow did you tell your friendsā like, what else could he be referring to?? "how did you tell your friends you were into jakeā seems like a weird question to ask, and if he was asking about how to confess to john it seems like the question would have been wordedĀ āhow did you tell jake you were into himā (or, with how things broke off,Ā āhow did you tell himā)
and he talked about jade in the same breath as he talked about john so ?? im kind of annoyed at shippers willfully ignoring her to push their yaois like ok
all of that said i think thereās more than enough canon evidence for dave having a massive onesided crush on john thatās lasted for a long time, i just donāt think the ship as it stands in canon could be healthily executed and dave is a lot happier and better off with karkat