#appledapple

kidding lol

but i'm wondering how you deal with the snowbird/scorchfur dilemma. because scorch is confirmed the father of her first litter, but... he is an apprentice during that time. so. um

my personal reasoning/headcanon for this is that snowbird is actually ratscar's baby sister, and he raised her after their parents died, because as far as i remember snow didn't show up until po3 (i could be wrong though). so she's the same age as the shadowclan apprentice group during that time. the one where all the cats with the cool names die off lmao

but i digress. basically in my personal warrior cats canon, snowpaw and scorchpaw have a whoopsie litter, and snowbird is given her warrior name early so she's technically not an apprentice in the nursery. after clover, berry, and ripple are older she finishes up her training so she has the warrior skills, and scorchfur gets his warrior name

i'm just tired of the weird age gaps lol so i decided to not do that lol

but yeah what's snowbird up to in your rewrite? she's my current background character obsession lmao

Snowbird more like NOBIRD, I AM SENDING YOU TO THE VET, NO MORE KITTENS TO PLAGUE MY DREAMS

I think I'll deal with the age gap by just pushing Scorchfur back in age! I do really like your idea that they were apprentices together who had an accident litter, but ShadowClan doesn't get a lot of focus in PO3 so I don't know if I could handle that concept with the gravitas it deserves, you get me?

Besides, Ratscar is already going to be a senior warrior by the time they get to the lake. I don't know if I want his parents to have that final litter after the journey; I'm thinking they died fighting BloodClan leaving a newborn kit behind, which leads to Ratscar raising her.

Or she could be his niece... it will depend on how old Amberleaf becomes after I straighten out the timeline. Ratscar will either be the brother of Appledapple (Applefur TF), or her oldest son.

(Tallpoppy's Applekit will probably be named after Appledapple as well; Tallpoppy was probably her apprentice.)

I'm thinking that I might give Scorchfur the high honor of being a son of Tangleburr, born before or during the journey to the Lake. That would help to fix the age gap by a lot.

Applekit - Applepaw - Appledapple (she/her)

☀️ BrightClan Runner

So as you may have seen in my Antagonists post, my girlie has some shady stuff to her origins as well... Let's take a look, shall we?

There is a molly in MountClan by the name of BriarPetal. Now, in her earlier days, she had quite the adventure, with a certain tom in LeafClan...

...You see, normally, half-Clan relationships are accepted and respected... But not when it comes to LeafClan. LeafClan is known for being scared of going straight against the Crystal Codex, and in most cases, get away with it. At this time, they had two major problems; StormCrystal being their leader, and a local family of foxes taking the kits who were foolish enough to wander out of camp. How does the two belong together? Well, StormCrystal is certain that being a warrior is superior to being a queen. Therefore, LeafClan queens are only allowed to stay in the nursery until their kittens reach 3 moons of age, instead of the usual 6. And so many young kits being unsupervised is more than irresponsibility. So long story short, the surreal expectations for queen and the foxes are making it hard for LeafClan to raise kits. That's mainly the reason why they are known for stealing kits from other Clans. And how is that related to cross-Clan relationships? Because LeafClan will always insist on keeping the litter that is born out of it...

...So, there was LightningRush. Haven't heard that name? Well that's not a coincidence. He fell in love with BriarPetal; A MountClan warrior. No matter how her Clanmates told her that she could be with anyone but a LeafClan warrior, she did not listen...

...So, eventually, four kits were born; RoseKit, FoxKit, YewKit, and RaspberryKit. And as soon as LeafClan heard about this, LightningRush did not hesitate to do what he must...

...He snuck into MountClan... But he only took two of the kits. Even if his Clan was in need, and he had to listen to his leader's orders, he did truly love BriarPetal. He didn't want to torture her with stealing all four kits, so he only took YewKit and RaspberryKit. When MountClan found out about this, they were furious. But they couldn't do anything; Risking a war with LeafClan was dangerous, and at the end of the day, LightningRush was still the father of that litter. So instead, they decided to keep this secret from both halves of the litter; Let the kits think of each other as complete strangers, instead of trying to reunite...

...YewKit and RaspberryKit got renamed to CinnamonKit and AppleKit. It was easier to hide the kitnapping this way. They were nursed by MarigoldBloom, LightningRush's older sister, who also had a litter on her own, containing HazelKit. The two stolen kits got told that their mother died, protecting them from the foxes. And as the three of them managed to survive through kithood, they became apprentices together, with LightningRush being CinnamonPaw's mentor...

Some ideas and questions:

Maybe Finchflight is Lizardstripe’s father or brother, I’m not sure how to link him to Clawface.

With the Littlecloud thing, I don’t know why but Cloudpelt comes to mind. Maybe he had Newtspeck. With Littlecloud’s name it’s interesting honestly.

With marigoldkit and mintkit, Runningnose saying that Yellowfang wanted to do her sister a favor since Marigold is blind, saying how if she’s willing to kill her family, none of them are safe from her. Honestly maybe they try to have Yellowfang killed but she managed to escape.

However that could wrench the genepool so it would probably be better to swap NewtFrog to Poolcloud instead with Ash taken out. Foxheart and Wolfstep could have unknown unless you want to tie them to any of the older cats from Yellowfang’s secret.

How many kits would Fernshade and Wolfstep have aside from Ivytail?

Amberleaf seems pretty old if we’re going by Yellowfang’s secret. I think Ratscar and Snowbird are better as her grandkits from Appledapple. Honestly Battle torn Ratscar trying to help raise his little sister after their mom died makes me soft.

Depending on how old you want Darkflower, I think Darkflower would work fine as Crowtail’s daughter. Speaking of which, would any of Darkflower’s kits (Whitethroat, Wetfoot, Brownpaw, Cedarheart) have any descendants?

Finchflight could easily be Lizardstripe's father, that would work well. I could also make Finchflight into Clawface's mentor instead of Rowanberry's.

On that note, Rowanberry and Nutwhisker are probably going to end up being younger siblings of Yellowfang, by a few years. Yellow is going to be looking at 13 years of age in TPB, so it would work well if her siblings were just starting to think about retirement, around 8-ish

(i should make a guide to age in warriors, I have something like that in my drafts... but basically you're a senior warrior at 5, and the elder's den is for 10+)

(also while I'm mentioning age gaps, I'm trying to keep them in the general ballpark of 0 - 4 years; and NEVER between mentors and apprentices. Older than that and it's not romantic, but could just be surrogacy when I can't make the ends meet, such as with Pinestar and Leopardfoot.)

Toadnettlepool

Yeah... I'm really liking the idea of Littlecloud being named after Littlekit somehow. I'm leaning towards moving Newtspeck and Frogtail into the Toadnettlepool litter, and then deciding if Night/Claw or Fox/Wolf get shuffled to someone else.

On one hand, Clawface would have kits with Rowanberry, which would mean Toadnettlepool is going to be inexorably mixed with the Bright/Bracken descendants. That doesn't have to totally be a bad thing though; Tigerheart's litter with Dovewing is 4 clean generations removed at that point, which is plenty separated to have them re-enter the ShadowClan gene pool without being too gross.

On the other hand, I think it would be neat if Wolfstep and Foxheart were actually descendants of Houndstar, only because the names are cool. They could be the children of Mousewing and an unknown queen.

On this note, Wolfstep might either end up younger, or Fernshade might end up older, just to fix the age gap a bit. Leaning towards Fernshade being older because it would be a nice dynamic with Blackstar, considering the changes to their parents.

The Marigold/Mint Plot

Something about it doesn't feel like it clicks enough yet. The basic premise of Marigold being born blind works really well, but something about the details feels too... deniable. Runny is smarter than this.

I'm thinking that maybe Yellowfang was treating Marigold using some sort of red berry. Currants, cherries, razzberries, something, and Mint was coached into saying they were deathberries.

"That's ridiculous. No medicine cat keeps deathberries in their larder where small kits could get to them. I just use raspberries because Marigold won't take her medicine without a treat."

And THEN Runny accuses her of poisoning Marigold on purpose, acclimating her to taking berries with her medicine to poison her.

Does that work better? ...ignoring that cats can't taste sweetness. Maybe raspberries can be used as a sort of pill capsule, or a holder for a poultice.

Still working on it

Fernshade and Wolfstep's kittens

I considered having their kits be Whitewater and Ivytail like that Vicky statement, but ultimately decided I would like Whitewater to have been a senior warrior in TNP.

If there's another kit in the litter, it's probably Owlclaw. They're around the same age; I won't commit to it until my modern ShadowClan chart is complete though. Badgerfang, Owlclaw, and Ivytail makes for a good amount of kits for them.

Darkflower's descendants (and then i waffle about tangleburr)

Darkflower is definitely going to have descendants, the biggest question is going to be if Wetfoot stays in her litter or not.

There's a high chance that Cedarheart will be having kittens. Depending on how influential those kittens are, I might remove Wetfoot from her litter again to have more fresh blood.

I'm going back and forth on if Scorchfur is a son of Cedarheart, or Tangleburr. It would help fix the age gap between him and Snowbird if he was born during the TNP journey, but also, I'm not sure if I'd like for the xenophobe to be Tangleburr's child since she has a whole arc about rejecting the influence of Brokenstar.

So, if Scorch is the child of Cedar, I might move Wetfoot out of the litter (Giving him to Ashheart and Cinderfur) and make him older to be a viable mate for Tangle. Or even have Tangle invoke the Queen's Rights and have a sireless litter.

Boulder is also a good option, especially if I want to have an excuse to keep him alive and relevant, because I like him so much for some reason... Stumptail is also a possibility... WLW Tangleburr is also possible.

If Tangle isn't the mother of Scorchfur, she might have Pinenose and Weaselclaw, making her the grandmother of Slatefur and Puddleshine.

Ratscar and Snowbird

Yeah, it's shaping up that they're the children of Appledapple. I also do want this particular litter to also have a father, to have that father tragically die in the same battle and be buried together with Apple. It might be a fitting end and a good sendoff for Boulder, one of my background blorbos.

Amberleaf -> Boulder x Appledapple -> Ratscar & Snowbird

Plus, then I don't have to worry about surprise family, since Snowbird genetics are going to be so prolific.

I'm also very soft for the idea of big, battered, terrifying Ratscar raising his baby sister. Keeping it together through all the grief, eventually losing the whole forest together only about a year later. The sort of sibling relationship that really makes you understand why Snowbird still trusts him, even after training in Hell.

How I feel about this character

i don’t actually hate him as much as everyone else. like slatestar would despise him for killing his kits when he could’ve let someone else in skyclan have them but i understand why you as an rper wanted them gone and i also know that appledapple probably wouldnt have been able to stand seeing them grow up and yeah its fucked but like. i got the reasoning u had behind it gus

All the people I ship romantically with this character

he’s with fawnripple right? so those two

My non-romantic OTP for this character

idk maybe wolf couldve liked appledapple before he went off to be a himbo

My unpopular opinion about this character

him killing his kits is not his only personality trait and shouldnt be treated as such thanks for coming to my ted talk

One thing I wish would happen / had happened with this character in canon.