Just saw someone post that the song of ice and fire is the song of Sansa and Jon’s potential child

I’ve seen the same about Dany and Jon’s potential child

NO:

RHAEGAR (FIRE) + LYANNA (ICE) = JON

THE SONG IS HIS AND ONLY HIS

It’s not the Jonsa song

It’s not the Jonerys song

It’s the Jon song

Ayer estuve charlando con unas amigas mías seguidoras tanto de los libros y de la serie sobre el comportamiento de Jon en este primer capitulo y desde entonces me ha entrado la sospecha de que el Jon político no existe, simplemente Jon siente algo por Daeneys y es un hecho que perfectamente puede estar ahí y sea una realidad por mucho que nos duela.

Esta mañana esta idea se ha hecho mas fuerte en mi cabeza al leer un hilo en  FF donde alguien que no es Jonsa planteaba la posibilidad de que esta corriente que seguimos es posible tanto en libro como en serie. Como siempre han saltado y han entrado los seguidores del Joneryce a despotricar y a echar pestes en el hilo y uno en concreto le ha dicho lo de siempre, lo que siempre alegan, que Jon esta enamorado de Daeneys y no de Sansa y la respuesta de este usuario me ha dado la clave de todo esto:

“De hecho, según mi teoría / análisis de la serie, Jon ya está enamorado de Sansa. Pero como él piensa que es su hermana, vive su vida. Puedes estar enamorado de dos mujeres al mismo tiempo.Es un poco como Edipo. Le dijeron que dormiría con su madre, así que huyó de su ciudad y se casó con una reina. Excepto que en realidad esta mujer era su verdadera madre.Jon, tratando de huir del incesto, lo cometerá con Daenerys”.

Este comentario de este usuario me ha recordado las grandes similitudes que ya explique en otro ensayo sobre Canción de hielo y fuego y la Iliada y la Odisea y siempre he pensado que cuando Jon descubra su verdadero origen va a ser algo así como en la tragedia de Edipo, pero con la diferencia de que en vez de estar acostándose con su madre lo esta haciendo con su tía, que ha estado huyendo del incesto con su hermana y ha caído de lleno en el con su tía.

Ademas para apoyar esta idea que me asalta es la clara decepción que siente Arya al reencontrarse con Jon, que ya empieza desde que llegan a Invernalia y Arya ve con tristeza que no se fija en ella porque esta mas pendiente de hacer caso a la dragona y que después viene ya verbalizada en las palabras de Arya al hablar con el en el arciano donde le dice que no olvide que es un Stark.

Pero a Jon creo que se le va a empezar a caer la venda de los ojos con su tía Targaryen en cuanto empiece a descubrir lo que realmente es y lo que es capaz de hacer si alguien le lleva la contraria y se le enfrenta que creo que ya ha empezado con esa amenaza de la dragona a Sansa y cuando Sam le cuenta lo que es realmente Daenerys y lo que hizo con su padre y con su hermano. Ademas corre un spoiler del tercer capitulo por ahí que corrobora un poco mas todo esto y del que solo contare que Daenerys va a intentar “dañar” a Jon e incluso puede que antes ya lo haya intentado con algún ser querido de Jon.

En resumidas cuentas, creo muy posible que Jon si que sienta algo por Daenerys, no hace falta que sea un amor profundo, puede ser simplemente sexo, algo así a lo que sentía Ulises por la diosa Calipso antes de descubrir que con quería estar era con su esposa Penelope con los que guardan mucha similitud en la serie Sansa y Jon, los Ulises y Penelope de esta historia. Que Jon va a descubrir con horror y tristeza lo que es en realidad esa mujer y descubra que a quien ama es a la que siempre ha estado ahí, a Sansa, cuando se le caiga esa venda de los ojos con su tía, “el pequeño monstruo”. De hecho creo que Jon ya ha descubierto con la escena en la cámara de Sansa que ella esta enamorada de el y esta celosa ademas, cuando e pregunta porque ha doblado la rodilla.

No se como se desencadenara el Jonsa, pero tengo la sospecha de que los señores del norte van a pedir el matrimonio entre Jon y Sansa en cuanto sepan quien es Jon, ya que creo que es un matrimonio muy ventajoso ahora para ellos al casar a la señora de Invernalia que cuenta tambien con el apoyo de los hombres del valle y de la tierra de los ríos muy probablemente por su parte Tully con el rey de Los siete reinos ahora que Daenerys no es NADIE. Que sea una especie de matrimonio político como lo fue el de Ned y Catelyn pero ya con un sentimiento por parte de los actuales contrayentes, que ademas tienen tambien una guerra en ciernes lo mismo que Eddard y Cat y quien nos dice si Sansa no se queda embarazada en esa noche de bodas y este embarazada cuando sea secuestrada por Cersei...Pero eso ya es otra historia.

So I did the stupid thing of reading comments in the article about the Dragon pit being used again in S8. This is me letting out my frustration. Also fair warning it isn’t Da*n*rys friendly.

Now Why was it a stupid thing to do? Obviously, because people are dead set on Sansa dying and Jon&Dani ruling Westeros happily ever after.

First Let’s talk about the Dragon pit. The spoiler is simple “the Dragon pit set will be used again in S8.” There is no more information about it.

Now People speculated that the dragon pit could be used for

A wedding, Jon/Dani(pregnant dani), Cersie/Euron, Cersie/Jon. OR a coronation happens at the end of S8(obviously everyone said Jon&Dani together). OR it could be used for another meeting OR an execution, Euron, Cersie. OR a funeral(only one suggested Dani) OR Cleganbowl (I like this speculation)

A lot of people also speculated that a fight sequence between DRAGONS might happen here, Drogon vs Viserion or Cersie vs Jon&Dani.

Heellloooo! What about Rhaegal vs Drogon? Jon vs Dani, is it really so unthinkable?!

What surprised me the most about these speculations is that every single person believes that Jon and Dani are a single unit now, that they will defeat evil, marry for love, have a kid (because she is so obviously pregnant in that one leaked photo) and live happily ever after while ruling Westeros.

NOT A SINGLE PERSON thought that Jon and Dani might not be on the same side by the end of S8, no one thinks that a Dance of Dragons between Jon and Dani is possible. WHY??? What is the POINT of Jon having a secret parentage reveal and a better claim to the Iron Throne IF IT WON’T BE USED TO CREATE CONFLICT BETWEEN THE TWO ALLIED PARTIES.

Also Why do people think Dani will definitely have a kid in order to restore the targs. Jon can do that on his own, Dani isn’t really needed in that equation. Or Dani can do it without Jon if she can get pregnant. Why is Jon the only person to get her pregnant, was she using condoms with Daario throughout S4, S5 and S6.

More importantly WHY is a targaryan restoration so important. Why should the targs who ruled for 300 years get restored over The Stark Kings of the North who ruled for 8000 years! Yeah just because GRRM is inspired by J.R.R.Tolkein doesn’t mean the Targs are getting a restoration like the Númenors. And even if the Targs are Númenors then Gondor’s line of kings ended, it was the line of the Kings from Arnor that was truly restored by Aragorn, who by the way restored it by marrying the daughter of the Elf who took him in just to protect him and raised him as his own son. So yeah, a Targ restoration with Dani, I don’t think is in the cards.

Now Let’s talk about Sansa speculations in S8, the things I read were

Sansa dying(the most common, as common as Dani being pregnant) in the great war, in Winterfell’s siege and mostly while saving Arya (she has to die saving Arya because Lady died to save Nymeria),

Sansa marrying Gendry(because he is a baratheon and a bastard),

Sansa marrying Podrick or Bronn(you read it correctly, BRONN, that is how he’ll get his castle),

Sansa living without a love interest in Winterfell. (yeah that is what should happen to the girl whose storyline involves finding true love)

To be honest there was no need for Sansa speculation, the article was about the Dragon pit. No one mentioned Bran, not once. So how did Sansa get dragged in here. Well, one person mentioned a Jon and Sansa wedding. And the response to that one person was astounding.

“There is no place for Jonsa here”(by here they meant public forum where everyone is allowed to give their own opinions).

“Jonsa isn’t happening because it is confirmed by the leaked photo that Dani is pregnant. Sansa will die in the battle at Winterfell.”(O you mean that photo where Kit and Emilia are in their S7 costume and Kit has his man bun and isn’t wearing his cloak, a photo that looks like it is from one of the beach scenes in S7)

“Jonsa and Jon*rya(yeah they got dragged in here too) is not happening. Just because there is foreshadowing in the books doesn’t mean it’s happening.” (because foreshadowing are red herrings, and the show isn’t based on the books)

“The show won’t go to a sibling incest route. Even if they are cousins, cousin incest isn’t acceptable nowadays. Besides Jonsa and Jon*rya are perceived to be siblings for 7 seasons, where as Jon*r*ys are not.” (The General Audience knows their aunt and nephew, Bran made it too clear in that epic sex scene)

“GRRM and D&D won’t do that with their biggest production, with more projects to come. The general audience won’t accept a sibling or cousin incest endgame.” (Why would the General Audience accept An Aunt and Nephew end game and be averse to a Cousin endgame.)

First of COUSIN MARRIAGE is not incest because it is acceptable and legal in 80% of the world today (in 2018).

Secondly, it is a common trope in literature especially concerning medieval ages.

Thirdly it has already been portrayed in TV shows, Downton Abbey and almost every period drama. Siblings falling in love has been portrayed in The Borgias(that is actual history). Adopted Siblings falling in love was portrayed in Dexter which was in modern times(yeah Dexter went there, it was a 2 season storyline), also Barry Allen from The Flash was adopted by Joe West, he later marries Joe’s daughter Iris West(no one had a problem with that only because they were 11 when he was adopted, they knew they weren’t siblings and he already had a crush on her).

The point is the general audience is more adapted to cousins and siblings/adopted-siblings falling in love then they are of an aunt and nephew getting together and having a kid.

GRRM is writing a book that is his own, he has complete rights to what he does with it regardless of what the readers think. The entire Targaryan rule and history is filled with siblings falling in love, marrying and having kids. No one stopped reading his books because of that. So Why would he shy away from it now and why would readers stop buying his books.

D&D are making a show, they had siblings doing it on screen in the first episode. They have never stopped at portraying controversial issues before. They didn’t lose viewers because of these issues. So why stop now at S8. They know how it will end, they won’t change that ending for delicate sensibilities.

The show isn’t just about romance, it has all sorts of issues, a feudal system, religious fanatics, mythical creatures like dragons direwolves and children of the forest, magic rituals, a Zombie apocalypse and the most basic issue, the war for the Iron Throne.

     I remember being in love with Daenerys Stormborn Targaryen and routing for her to be the queen for many seasons up to season 5. Then I got bored and tired of watching her repeat the same mistakes, and seemingly every single man falling in love with her got dull and uninspired, OK the 1st Daarios was HOT. It was slowly dawning on me; perhaps she will be the antithesis, anti-heroine of this epic tale. In short, Fire was exclusive to Daenerys and Ice was the Night King--they are the Ice and Fire. I wholeheartedly agree with D when she said If it weren't for her dragons, she would be ordinary--I give her props for being reflected enough to admit that in S7. 

     For Jon Snow, naturally, I felt terrible for him because I didn’t understand Catelyn’s animosity towards him since it appeared that she raised him from a baby. But for the period where this story takes place, it helped me to digested her resentment; nevertheless, I felt she could have had a less bitter relationship since she raised him from when he was a baby. I loved Cat though. I was happy for Jon when he and Ygritte developed their relationship, but as much as I liked them, I didn’t think it was going to last since he couldn’t leave the Night Watch, and he already took his vow. 

     Sansa, ugh, I didn't care about her in the beginning, but I understood her. I remember when I was 10-12  and so in love with a  boy and how I couldn't think straight. I saw a lot of my former self in her. As the seasons went by, I slowly and steadily grew to love her immensely. I admired how smart she was becoming and how her courtesy was and still is, her weapon. I adored her during the Purple wedding when she went under the table and recovered the goblet for Tyrion. I just thought how subtly brave she was to do that even though she detested her situation, she treated Tyrion with dignity and tenderness by that particular act.       By season 6, I was blown away at my runaway, wayward thoughts of the reunion between Jon and Sansa. There was no way Jon’s reaction was typical; romanticism aspect was too pronounced for me to think, “Oh yeah my stepbrother/brother would react like that-- and sure I would breathe heavily and look upon him like he was the Filet mignon of men--I. THINK. NOT.”  My discomfort by liking a possible incestual relationship had me worried about how this show is affecting me. By the time S6 E10 came and R+L=J, I thought, "Haha, they are cousins and going to hook-up! The King and Queen in the North." Now I understood why Catelyn's animosity was important because it enabled for Sansa to be the only "sibling" not close to Jon.

     In S7 episodes 1 & 2 came, I enjoyed every moment between Jon and Sansa's growing relationship, and saw how they were coming to care for and trust each other while I was equally routing for Team Daenerys to overthrow Cersei's reign. I was looking forward to Jon and his aunt Dae working as a strict, platonic alliance since his situation was becoming dire and he needed Dragonglass. But then, without warning, Tyrion and Davos became spontaneously poor observers and telling the audience of Jon looking at Dae in a possible romantic light when I can see it was Dae who was falling. I was so confused as to how and why they would say that! I cannot tell you how many times I rewatched and still couldn't see it! I thought "ok, the cave scene" then but that quickly went out the window when Dae went batshit on Tyrion, and Jon looked like " I want to get the hell out of here!" I don't understand what happened with some of the character development in S7, but I did walk away with the impression how Jon is in "by-any-means-necessary" mode to get Dae on board with helping the North. Sansa is loyal to the Jon and the north, and YES, she finally got rid of her cancer named Littlefinger. The long-awaited--Jaime left Cersei!!  I only liked the END result of Sansa and Arya working together because I hated their narrative between them after that letter talk--what a cheap shot especially when several estranged men can get along in the same episode!!