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We need to bring “read another book” type energy to like, fandom in general, and I’m not joking.
If you could go back 20 years an get people, at scale, to expand their taste in fiction beyond Harry Potter, we would not be here right now.
People focusing on the Harry Potter series on this post are missing the point.
The point isn't that Harry Potter itself is the problem, it's that a large fandom obsessed with one work, and only one work, to the exclusion of all other works, combined with a rapturous devotion to that specific creator, resulted in a socio-political landscape where one very popular author of children stories can single-handedly swing a society into a genocide.
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you gotta understand that grrm added egg to the lore because he wanted a woke targaryen to compare dany to ok. like before egg things were kind of bleak. you had aegon and his sisters, unrepentant monarchists. you had dany's crazy dad who figured the great class equaliser is that all men are born flammable. and you sorta have to give it to him, he did mostly kill nobles but i fear that was mostly a proximity issue. you had rhaegar but nobody praised rhaegar for his economic theories. in fact he notoriously wore the whole economy on his breastplate and then got looted the moment he died. im sure if he and lyanna lived they'd lock themselves in an echochamber of hippie ideas and eventually emerge with some convoluted, unviable form of anarchism only found in obscure forum threads and seattle polycules but as it stands, he did not consider the fate of the proletariat so he's not dany's ideological forefather in any way. you had viserys who was westeros' first ever temporarily embarrassed millionaire and tried his best to teach dany that poverty is an unbearable shame upon the soul, before selling her into slavery. viserys' legacy is hollow because he was ideologically hollow. and absolutely no one was even remotely close to what dany is doing. but the function egg serves in the story is to enforce that progress is hard won, circling back to dany's theme of fire and blood being the way for the oppressed to fight back and force progress in a system thats built to smother it out. its not that nobody before dany could have had the empathy or the ideas. it was rare but it could exist. but grrm wants to stress over and over that the systems of oppression are complex and hard to dismantle. dany is the first character with both the will and the means. and even then, she's learning how to make sustainable changes. she learns from astapor and from mereen. egg's there to show the learning curve in westeros as well. you see slaver's bay reacting to change, the presence of egg's reforms in the history lets you see westeros react as well which is handy bc george has two books left to wrap everything up and dany still needs to get to westeros. essentially egg's like the spirit of wokeness past. he needs to materialise to dany in her hour of need and tell her capital comes on the face of the earth dripping blood and dirt from head to toe and that she MUST stomp those crusty bitches if they dig their heels in. except its not dany this needs to be told to but the readers
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really bad. but this is a common enough take. rhaenyra should just be the bigger person and surrender her claim to prevent a pointless war this is clearly the 'moral' of the dance because grrm was a conscientious objector during the vietnam war #nuance. but no one has ever said the starks should perhaps be more conscious of the plight of the smallfolk by giving up their claim to winterfell to the boltons and the lannisters instead of engaging in a pointless war in the riverlands.
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“i love how we as a fandom have just agreed that–” don’t include me in this. do NOT lump me in with that.
What I get from all these asoiaf adaptions is that these people really do not like magic in their fantasy stories lol
Not to mention not a single seriously thought through political plot in sight. What are these shows even about again?

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Princess Elia and Prince Rhaegar
by nataa.draws on twitter
Do you think that Rhaegar and Robert share that similarity that they both put Lyanna on a pedestal, but in different ways?
possible but imo unlikely in book canon; definitely not true in play canon.
the play confirms that part of the mutual draw for R/L is that they're to some degree both odd ducks who are quite isolated in their own ways - Rhaegar more obviously with his family and the (perceived) burden of Saving The World on his shoulders, and Lyanna struggles with her gender and the expectations she feels she cannot meet. They find a sense of understanding and belonging together in a world that doesn't quite Get It, and the fact that they share visions and dreams would probably only amplify how much they seem to get each other.
I think putting someone on a pedestal is impossible if you truly do know someone, and I do get the sense that in the play, Rhaegar did actually see Lyanna for who she was rather than romanticising her. the issue here is more about Rhaegar's choices potentially endangering her and trapping her in a fate that is the opposite of a potential knight.
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I keep seeing two completely different readings of Elia and Rhaegar’s relationship: either they’re polite and reasonably cordial with each other, or it’s cold and purely transactional. Since we’re getting the script, maybe that’ll make it clearer what’s actually on the page. Because if people who watched the same character are coming away with such different impressions, I’m starting to wonder how much of it is the emotional performance landing differently for different people.
To be honest, even with a script I think actor interpretation can massively impact the emotional reading of lines, so there will still be debates about this. Even then, people read things differently. I'm amazed how many people came away from the Robert/Lyanna scenes not feeling the sense that he was presuming romance before even wooing her, that she was uneasy and uncomfortable in those scenes, giving answers he liked and that would we be expected over - but maybe if you're not used to being in that position with men, it's easier to miss?
If you want my reading, I think it was both cordial AND transactional. the two have an understanding, they're not at each other's throats, they have the same general goals (overthrowing Aerys, securing power), and don't seem harsh or sharp with each other, but it's fairly clear that it's a political marriage where Elia is aiming to secure their future rule. The one moment where Rhaegar is quite cold to their son Aegon and to Elia is after she gives birth, which coincides with Rhaegar having a breakdown and an existential crisis.
But other people might read their relationship differently? Some of this might be due to differing expectations. It was cold by the standards of a romantic relationship, but cordial by the standards of a political marriage.
u know something I found fascinating. Robert thought Lyanna could heal the grief in his heart from losing his parent because he can start a new family with her. And he was right…. Because Lyanna did heal the “grief” in another person’s heart. Rhaegar when she ran off with him. As for Robert’s heart… that crack got wider.
Hm... I've noticed that while the play showcases LYANNA in a good light RE: her and Robert, people's takeaway is to see ROBERT in a better light and have even more of a "see, it was not that bad if she could treat him friendly??!!" perception RE: Lyanna. (One scene in which he is sympathetic RE: his grief is the one with Aerys and the splinters... which unfortunately for him I've heard is way too funny to focus on that most, but nvm).
The play shows us already that Robert's view of a future relationship with a woman was already askew, and the "further cracking" that did INDEED happen post: Lyanna's death was more of a 4chan spiral.
In the play, Lyanna trying to show him sympathy has him immediately taking it as a sexual invitation and getting "handsy" and some accounts say she straight up had to "bite him" to push him away. Likewise, when they dance and she is taking the lead (following a dance in which Rhaegar is encouraging and gives her the lead), he condescends to her that it's not her place as a woman to be in the lead. That very much matches the later convo between Ned and Robert in which he's assured Lyanna would bow to him and Ned says he never knew her.
And the fact that Lyanna never even mistakenly gave him that impression cements Lyanna's haunting "love is sweet, dearest Ned, but it cannot change a man's nature".
It was never about what Lyanna could and couldn't do for a man. Robert never had a healthy view of a partnership with a woman and he slid further after Lyanna's death with her as a convenient scapegoat.

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i know the lord of light is watching mel say stannis is the tptwp/azor ahai like
" who???? "
They're (yes, lord of light non-binary propaganda) like, "i showed you a bald girl and you thought it was THAT??"
Lord of Light putting reading glasses on frustratingly going through the Targaryen Family Tree line by line to understand where tf she swerved at.
In the past few days I have been accused of holding cynical/pessimistic views regarding Sansa's future by more than one person so I decided to make a separate post to explain my point better:
Let me start by reiterating that I never said Sansa will be unhappy in the end, what I tried to say was that she, like everyone else, may find her happiness conditioned by the world around her, which, as we all know, is a very constraining and unfair world and that isn't likely to change much for the better in the near future. With that in mind, I also think a lot of people conflate GRRM's idea of not giving in to despair with the christian idea of withstanding suffering until you're rewarded with perfect happiness in the future ("good things come to those who wait"), which makes them think that because their favorite character is suffering so much now, that means they should be rewarded a disney fairy tale ending where everything works out for them. But looking at GRRM'S original quote and at how ASoIaF is written overall is clear to see that that's not what the "not give in to despair" idea was about.
If you pay attention to the happy moments from the series you'll notice that all of them coexist with something bad or inconvenient. Catelyn and Ned had a very happy and fruitful union, in a time of relative peace. But their relationship coexisted with Ned's traumas from the war + Jon as the physical reminder that our amazing husband Ned had been unfaithful to Cat. We readers know he didn't cheat but Cat died thinking that he did, which means their happy marriage was based on Cat being forgiving of Ned publicly disrespecting her by having the product of his affair grow up in their house. She had to do that because despite all the good things in her life, she was still bound by the patriarchal rules of her world. If we go back and look at another peaceful and prosperous time period like the reign of Jaehaerys we see that it coexisted with tragedies like disease and death, plus Jaehaerys himself being a very flawed man who occasionally hurt his family. I could go on with more examples but I guess that's enough to understand my point that even the most peaceful and happiest moments are never completely free of sorrow.
Now back to Sansa. Everyone can agree that she is in a very bad situation right now: she thinks her entire family is dead, she lost her home, she is framed for kingslaying, she is sexually harassed on a daily basis by her guardian, the list of horrors just goes on and on. This girl has been going through it for years now. And YET, if you read her most recent chapters in the Vale, you can see her trying to lead a somewhat normal life as a teenage girl. She is making friends, she is attending parties, she is gossiping, she is running around and laughing. THAT'S the true idea of not giving into despair. She doesn't have many reasons to enjoy life but she still tries all the same, still tries to find some semblance of normalcy even in her very dire situation.
When I say that Sansa probably won't have a disney fairy tale ending, I don't mean that she won't find happiness (she is very good at protecting her own peace even in the most hostile environments). What I mean is, based on precedent, on how GRRM writes the good moments in this series, that her happiness may have a tinge of bittersweetness. That means that she may not get everything she wants, just like every other character won't get it either. But that's okay. That's life. And that's ASOIAF. It was never about waiting for things to be perfect, it's about trying to find the positive and keep fighting even when everything else is going badly. I think Sansa is already the perfect embodiment of not giving in to despair, because she's come to understand that there is evil in the world but she still tries to find joy in life.
Furthermore, I think we need to do away with "deserve" whenever we speculate about the future of these characters. Because this is a story built on tragedies. Indeed, Sansa did not deserve to go through everything she did in her early teens. But neither did Lyanna deserve to die in childbirth at 16 while trying to escape an arranged marriage to an awful man. Nor did Elia deserve to watch her children get brutally murdered before she was violated and murdered too. Nor did Catelyn deserve to lose everyone she loved just for trying to protect her family. None of these characters deserved what happened to them. But it happened all the same. If suffering should be a requirement for a happy ending ("happy endings are just stories that haven't finished yet") then these people should've been ruling the world. Is it pessimistic to admit that tragedy is an unfortunate part of life? Is it pessimistic to say that the people who remain and manage to find peace in life are still affected by the bad things in their world? No. That is just being real. True cynicism/pessimism is giving up, which is precisely what Sansa isn't doing.