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"Oh sure, they support the queer NOW, but they mocked it at the time."
A comment I got on some old posts along with some of the commentary from the cast/crew. And... what? XWP would not have become one of the gayest shows in existence if they "mocked it at the time."
The crew did make a lot of jokes about it sure, but that always came across as them being in on the joke. Not as them mocking it.
Lucy has said that it was around episode 8 in season 1 that they realized that they had a strong audience in the lesbian community. And, no, they did not mock it. They went along with it.
This is a picture of Lucy and ReneΓ© (and Danni Minouge) at the 1999 Sydney Mardi Gras.
There is also the treatment of Miss Artiphys in Here She Comes... Miss Amphipolis.
Where Lucy reportedly pushed for Karen Dior, a transgender woman, being cast in the role. How the show handled that topic. And the kiss at the end, which was another thing pushed by Lucy because she wanted to show people that itβs safe to kiss people with HIV or AIDS (Dior had HIV and was an AIDS activist).
And Miss Artiphys whole character was written by Chris Manheim as a tribute to her brother, who was gay and did drag.
This episode aired in 1997. And contained a topic that's still heavily debated. Perhaps even more so.
There is more, but frankly it is too hot here for me to think properly. I'm not built for heat... Anyway....
The crew were always supportive. Did they joke around about it? Sure. But no one was ever offended by that. Honestly, it wasn't until the finale that they really screwed up and people were pissed. But that had nothing to do with the gay, rather the nasty trope that they played into (bury your gays). But they have since acknowledged that. Also, apparently AFIN wasn't supposed to be the finale but a tie in to a movie that would give the characters a proper send off. I've also heard whispers that the running over of episodes was screwed up so AFIN was supposed to be a mid-season two parter instead of the finale, but I have no idea how accurate that it.
So don't act like this show was queerbaiting or that the crew "mocked it at the time." Because they never did. Make dumb jokes? Sure. But that's all it was.
The best way to put it that Iβve came up with is that yeah, they were laughing about it but they werenβt laughing at it. They were laughing with us and we were laughing with them. It was never to mock us or use us or exploit us. If anything - it was to do the opposite and take the piss out of the ones that went against it and didnβt want to see it but even that I think is too much.
I think what we can say however is that they didnβt fully understand the impact of it until years later when the show was off the air. Reneeβs recent interview with Alexi Melvin kind of confirmed that for me. She said that she never really truly understood what was happening with it but through the years as people kept telling her the impact itβs had on them, sheβs joined the dots and now sees, understands and fully supports it for what it is.
I think the people claiming the βqueerbaitingβ angle or even that believe the TV show creators/cast/crew were purposefully being malicious with their queer audience just havenβt really done enough research on the show.
Thereβs a ton of behind-the-scenes content where they not only confirm that Xena and Gabrielle were a couple or best friends in love but also that after a certain point they intended it to be that way, they just had to be very careful with it due to the strict censorship of the studio.
They themselves never personally had a problem with it and if thereβs any audience they catered to above all in Xena, it was their female queer audience and I believe itβs because they absolutely agreed with that audience that Xena and Gabrielle were romantically involved in some way or form even if they werenβt in a relationship.
Because I think thatβs kind of the takeaway with Xena and Gabrielle. You can absolutely see that theyβre canon in the sense that theyβre in love with each other and that R.J. Stewart absolutely wrote them to show that they had romantic feelings for each other but there is no way to tell whether that evolved into a committed romantic relationship at any point in the show. Thatβs the part of Xena and Gabrielle that stayed ambiguous and thatβs fair enough because that still doesnβt negate that they were canon. Just that they were a couple.
That is for you to interpret for yourself. And even some of the writers pitch in with their own interpretations on that. Now if youβre basing them being βqueerbaitβ on thatβ¦ thatβs just silly. Because even today queer people that love each other or that have feelings for each other arenβt always in a relationship for whatever reason. That has nothing to do with whether theyβre canon or not. If anything that just makes the queer representation even more real and authentic because that speaks to queer experience in that queer people do have to be careful with who they love. Itβs not an easy thing to be a couple.
So all I have to say to those people that are claiming that the show was mocking us is that they should dig deeper than the surface of what they see in the show.
Yeah, there was jokes about it. Of course there was. But those jokes were never maliciously aimed at us. Those jokes might have been funny, but they were not doing those jokes to laugh at us. They were doing those jokes to laugh with us because it was always a positive nod towards us that this is who the show and its characters are really for. The queer narrative was the true narrative.
And if we want to say βbaitingβ was involved, I think itβs more accurate that they were baiting straight people in to watching the TV show because gay or queer people were already there. They didnβt have to be baited in to watching it because they were already catered to from the start and one of the main reasons why Xena became popular beyond its predecessor Hercules. The audience that they had to entice to watch was not the queer one so I say itβs more accurate that Xena was straightbait.
The only thing I can say that is true to the way they were back then as opposed to now. They were very cagey in admitting that Xena and Gabrielle had feelings that were beyond friendship but thatβs understandable.
It was the 90βs and they were mostly doing that to protect us more than they ever were to ignore us.
The reason why they were like that was very much to keep us safe and secure in a very homophobic world.
They were always in our queer corner from day one. And if it was the opposite, they wouldnβt be here now.
They speak out on it now because they know they can. But back then they had to be extremely careful with it.
And we should not be faulting them for that.
We should be thanking them for it.
They protected us. They loved us. And itβs remarkable to me that they still give us the time of day when the TV show has been off the air for a long time and yet they still always show up for us and they still care about us.
They still value us.
Iβve never seen support and solidarity like that since.
So no, people can make their insulting claims about it and them. But theyβre entirely wrong about all of this.
The Xenaverse is a family that makes up both the creators/cast/crew and the community. Itβs always been that way ever since the very first convention.
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Spoiler alert......Β Xena and Gabrielle die for each other MULTIPLE TIMES.Β Β
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one of my favorite xena quirks is that she growls/hisses when sheβs annoyed β¦ this moment from If the shoe fits in particular bc it wasnβt even that serious like
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gabrielle is such important annoying girl representation like she is capable of being so annoying it puts her in mortal danger and then turning that around and saving herself thru being even more annoying and every woman she meets desperately wants her anyways like nobody has done it like her <3