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Luigiās team reply to the feds regarding the jury questionnaire
my only question about the 3 knuckleheadsā¦whatās the best course of action? Iāve seen ppl saying a cease and desist order and/or restraining order should be issued but idk, would this be viewed as too reactive?
KNUCKLEHEADSševerything Iāve learned about these people has been involuntary omg
Ehhhh itās tough. I think the best route is to push the mayor to revoke the passes, but I think with trial coming up theyāre just going to be more focused on prepping for that. Iām not even sure that Agnifilo Intrater does c&ds or restraining orders?? I think the c&d would be tougher (and probably not worth it) at this point since theyāre claiming to be journalists and having their 1stA rights oppressed on their substacks with 9 reads and their twitter with 15 followersš.
I guess hypothetically they could ask the judge for a protective order generally regarding media entry for specific classes of press passes and have the argument be based on prejudice, but I donāt see them spending time on that and it would be a huge constitutional vs constitutional balancing test :/ I think itās strongest to push to get the passes revoked and for the team to make a public statement distancing themselves from it again if something else came up.
Hopefully shame and embarrassment is enough moving forward, but clearly thatāll be an uphill battleššš
This is the last Iāll speak on this issue unprompted, but this (below) is something that could ACTUALLY be a huge issue and they really shouldnāt fuckn do thisā¦ theyāll just add questions to exclude jurors who saw luigi support/fan accounts on social media and people who talked to table outside the courthouse, limiting his potentially favorable jury pool even more. (Also, thatās not what jury tampering means LMAO)
Also you donāt know who else is going through the voir dire process who youāre just handing out this information to. This is so brain deadš«©
Sorry if this question is weird but do you think he likes college educated trilingual real curvy Latinas from Northern Mexico? ā¤ļøš do you sense any interest here?
I wonāt speak for Luigi but thatās certainly my typeš¹
my only question about the 3 knuckleheadsā¦whatās the best course of action? Iāve seen ppl saying a cease and desist order and/or restraining order should be issued but idk, would this be viewed as too reactive?
KNUCKLEHEADSševerything Iāve learned about these people has been involuntary omg
Ehhhh itās tough. I think the best route is to push the mayor to revoke the passes, but I think with trial coming up theyāre just going to be more focused on prepping for that. Iām not even sure that Agnifilo Intrater does c&ds or restraining orders?? I think the c&d would be tougher (and probably not worth it) at this point since theyāre claiming to be journalists and having their 1stA rights oppressed on their substacks with 9 reads and their twitter with 15 followersš.
I guess hypothetically they could ask the judge for a protective order generally regarding media entry for specific classes of press passes and have the argument be based on prejudice, but I donāt see them spending time on that and it would be a huge constitutional vs constitutional balancing test :/ I think itās strongest to push to get the passes revoked and for the team to make a public statement distancing themselves from it again if something else came up.
Hopefully shame and embarrassment is enough moving forward, but clearly thatāll be an uphill battleššš
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hi ms squeej, do you know if luigi would have had access to carro's decision before he walked into the courtroom? sounds like his lawyers did, but do you think they had a chance to tell him beforehand?
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I donāt think Luigi has any access to his own court updates, especially when in transit. The decision here came out about 10 minutes before Luigi entered the courtroom (while he was in the holding cell), and his lawyers went into the holding cell right before he entered. They probably briefly filled him in on the implications of the decision, and then I would guess that they had a short conference after to discuss strategy moving forward.
For most typical case updates, inmates are left in limbo. They either have certified copies from the court mailed to the facility and then distributed (which can take days/weeks) or the court will scan it to the prison which can then be sent to the inmates tablet/personal kiosk or similar system (depending on facility). I would guess that for high end defense attorneys, they try to go to the prison or call expidently to deliver any news, but this is probably super rare. I hate how absolutely cut off the accused are before ever being found guilty, even being cut off from updates on their own fate :/
ALERT: I sent the ask in yesterday about why the notebook wasn't suppressed even though it was discovered at McDonald's, you can disregard and delete that ask. I see it was because the notebook wasn't rifled through and examined till they reached the police station. I would've thought since they removed it from his backpack as part of the illegal, warrantless search, it'd be sufficient grounds for suppression. According to Carro though, it's not.
My new question is this something that can be appealed? I know he cited that case re: the envelope, but is it really an apples-to-apples comparison though? Does this have to do with a closed container type of argument?
Hiiii I actually was really excited to answer your previous ask!! I think they both raise very interesting legal questions since search and seizure is such a razor thin area of law, as we saw with this caseš
When I heard the opinion last week, one of my first thoughts was āhow is the phone excluded, but not the journal, if neither were opened in McDonalds?ā
I looked into it and essentially, it comes down to what was āseizedā at the McDonalds. His phone and the chip were seized and bagged (by legal standards) on the scene at McDonalds, while the backpack and the journal were essentially left āin tactā and not searched (by legal standardšthese laywers abt to piss me off)(myself included like why are we like this). Basically, the magazine and phone and chip were discovered, searched, seized, and āloggedā before the McDonalds search was halted, meaning they were legally discovered during the unconstitutional search.
As for appeals, I think it is definitely ripe for appeal. I think any mixed-bag āsplit the babyā decision is going to leave room for appeal. An all or nothing may have been fore frustrating, but these decisions often just invite more room for argument. Also, keep in mind that any search/seizure issue does NOT usually make it so far, and is almost never successful. Because this was partially accepted and partially denied, I think this case has room to make to the max of the appeals process solely based on the 4thA issues. But thatās just my opinionš¤·š¼āāļøkeep in mind, if Luigi is found guilty, they canāt appeal and say ābut he wasnāt!ā Because the jury is the finder of fact and any COA will default to the jury opinion. However, appeals are sough when the trial contained legal defects in which error was preserved, such as evidentiary issues, procedural issues, and unaddressed prejudice. I see a long road aheadš
https://www.tumblr.com/squeejs-bbg/817011021157974016/on-a-more-positive-note-i-heard-on-the-livestream?source=share
Iāve been bamboozled! You posted this on the day of his hearingā¦I been waiting on you to post your thoughts re: the expert witnesses ātomorrowā, and today is the 23rd. š„“š«©
Anonnnn Iām so sorry :( I just posted it!!! Special for you since I saw your askš«¶š¼š
EXPERTS
Guys Iām so sorry!!! I got so swept up in work and personal life shit but here is my post on some expert opinion thoughts. Anon I see you and I apologize! Stay with me hereā¦
Experts are a particularly complex or just picky area of law. Typically, each side will present expert testimony (which is EXTREMELY expensive, btwā¦ if you wanna make bank just become a testifying expert in something). But usually each side is able to present an expert of their choosing (which are paid by their client and whom they can usually privately confer with AKA coach lol) who will testify to issues that are outside of the areas of expertise for lawyers. Experts must pass the Daubert or Frye standards. The standard in most states is the newer Daubert test, but New York uses the Frye standard, requiring that the expertās method of evaluating or testing their conclusion is of āgeneral acceptanceā in their scientific/professional community. Itās a lower standard than Daubert.
Here are how experts will be interesting in Luigiās case and the different experts that may come up:
https://www.tumblr.com/huzzahluigi/817264687202828288/there-was-definitely-tension-between-the-team-and?source=share
Can I be honest in my thoughts? I think they have lied to him a lot and he's woken up to it. Probably wanted to keep his spirits up and he believed they would get it all suppressed and he would be fine.
Hmm i don't think so, he's an adult who's paying for their service they're not going to sugar coded for him. I'm sure he's well aware of what to expect. Also, Karen said "it's what we expected" it seems like they discussed it already. Perhaps that's why Lu looked mad/sad/annoyed in court.
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friendly reminder that luigi could sue karen if she did not properly address, prepare, and advise him. i donāt think karen would ever lie to luigi because she has an ethical obligation to protect him. he literally pays her to do that.
on the whole, attorneys never lie to their clients because that directly hurts the attorney. they want to win. lying to your clients and making them not trust you, doesnāt help you win.
luigi was probably annoyed. who wouldnāt be? the judge made a decision that he didnāt like. i would be annoyed too!
please donāt paint a false narrative on luigi or karen. <3 thereās too much of that going around already.
100% agree - I donāt understand why people insist on painting Luigi - a grown man who is also an Ivy League graduate - as some kind of child that Karen (unethically!!) would have to lie to??
Karen and her team are extremely experienced and Luigi is highly intelligent - I think they have a very direct communication and that Luigi is very much involved in - and aware of - the work they are doing for him.
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Interesting political/legal news that made me think of Luigiās case..
So Donald Trump frivolously sued the IRS for $10b for leaking a single one of his tax returns from 2019. He settled with the IRS to drop the claim in exchange for a formal apology from the IRS and an agreement that the IRS will set up a $1.8b āanti-weaponizationā fund for people to apply to get monetary compensation for being victims of lawfare, which is essentially the weaponization of the legal system. So, this is a settlement that Trump reached with the Deparment of Justice, which he controls. Legal experts are heavily critiquing the merits of the original claim as well as the legitimacy of this settlement agreement and fund set up. It is probably one of the biggest lawsuit scams that weāll ever see.
The way that this will functionally work is that people can apply to be compensated for having been āvictimizedā by the legal system and they can be awarded formal apologies or monetary compensation. The deputy attorney general came out and said, āThe use of government power to target individuals or entities for improper and unlawful political, personal, or ideological reasons should not be tolerated by any Administration,ā When describing who may be awarded this relief, Donald Trump mentioned many of his allies who were arrested for election tampering as well as January 6th arrestees. Meanwhile, as we all know, the legal system disproportionately targets the poor, minorities, and the politically misaligned from those in power. Weāve been seeing it in Luigiās case at the hand of the Trump administration since day 1.
Essentially, this will function as a way for Trumpās allies (and possibly his family) to be awarded money from the government that Donald Trump himself sued for because they were doing something ILLEGAL. Itās a gross misappropriation of public funds and it is going directly back into the administrations pockets. Meanwhile, nothing has been done under this administration to afford relief to those being truly bullied and abused by the system. What a fucking clown show.
āI found a perfect niche area of civil litigation that I love and itās very personally fulfilling for me (and lucrative lol)ā
Hi! Has Debbie T from GSG been right in front of us this whole time? āŗļøš
LMAOOO I wish!!! I love our diva Debbie T thoughšš
Did you ever consider doing prosecutorial or criminal defense work as a job?
Ahhh I knew this question would comeš short answer is yes, I was open to it when I started law school. The long answer is that I very quickly realized that you canāt āwinā if you work in criminal law, no matter what side youāre on, if you want to be emotionally invested in your work. If youāre a defense attorney, you can sometimes help break systemic cycles that the criminal justice system implements and help innocent accused, but you also spend a lot of time defending people who arenāt great and positions you donāt agree with. As a prosecutor, you can have the sense of āaiding in justiceā, but you also help perpetuate the toxic issues with the system (and you work for the governmentšš¼). However, I do have degrees in political science and criminal sociology and I had a focus on constitional law in law school, so Iām fairly well versed on the criminal law issues!
I am a person who is very emotionally invested in what they do and I never wanted to sell my soul to the bar association. So I decided to stay away from criminal law! I found a perfect niche area of civil litigation that I love and itās very personally fulfilling for me (and lucrative lol) :)
BUT shoutout to all the crim baddies out there because itās such an important job on both sides and we definitely need empathetic and smart people in that field!! Itās a special talent to be able to separate your work from everything else, and that is not a talent I possess lol
trust me iām really glad that any evidence got suppressed at all bc i really wasnāt expecting it to, but it just sucks that the notebook and gun are still going to be used at trial bc theyāre literally the most important pieces of evidence š
I totally get it. I know itās disappointing. It was mostly expected, but it still sucks. Especially considering how obvious it was that the rest of the search was paused because they anticipated finding more evidenceā¦
Itās funny how the intent and mindset of a criminal defendant is so heavily scrutinized and literally one of the most important issues in a criminal conviction, but the intent and mindset of an arresting officer is almost never examined. Funny how that worksš¤·š¼āāļøš«©
Do you go to his hearings?
I have answered this before, but no I do not! I follow a lot of the live reporting, the court watching records, and I am an attorney so I can pretty quickly decipher the language or orders for the hearings. I try my best to update on tumblr as if I was there since no one live reports here, but most of my mutuals are faster than me anyways which I love lolš«¶š¼
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ok so now the trials are actually going to be different from each other š¤
So far everything will be different for all three LOL literally all different charges, all different legal standards, AND all different evidence. Thatās why you usually only get prosecuted once like this is so silly atpš«©
On a more positive note, I heard on the livestream that experts were mentioned at the bench before the audio was cut off. I have a lot of thoughts about the expert witnesses for this case and Iām super curious how itāll shake out! Iāll post more of my thoughts tomorrow about this because I have a bunch!
