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will’s speech in the van could’ve been way more obvious to mike than we think. our view on it is unreliable bc it’s will’s perspective, but we’re also convinced he did a good job lying bc mike didn’t outright say “you’re lying” or show blunt signs that he knew it was a lie.
when will said “i know it’s sort of on the nose but…” he’s sort of giving himself away a bit bc he’s talking as if it were his idea rather than el’s and him just drawing it. he could’ve said “it seems sort of on the nose but el insisted..” or even when he said “our party…” when el never refers to the party as such- it’s always “friends [dont lie]”.
then even when he went on with “if she was mean to you or it seemed like she was pushing you away…” it’s all too much imo and out of place for will to be saying bc from what we know el was never mean to mike, and mike knows that too. he did, however, accuse will of being a douche to him el.
will took this as his only chance to tell mike how he’s been feeling since mike has been communicating with him this whole time and will hasn’t necessarily communicated his side besides the rink o mania fight so him adding things in like “if she was mean to you or it seemed like she was pushing you away its probably because shes scared of losing you just like you’re scared of losing her” and the “like ripping off a bandaid” line was will communicating with mike in the only way he possibly could. he was desperate to, of course he was. and this was the only opportunity he felt he could take because he was terrified of getting in between mike and el, and also revealing his feelings to mike like that in general “i think it’s just scary to open up like that, to say how you really feel, especially to people you care about the most, because what if they don’t like the truth?”
mike might not have caught on immediately but will left clues behind. intentional or not like his slip ups and his coded replies to remarks made by mike in rink o mania or his response to mike’s speech to him in will’s bedroom.
i’m gonna go cry in a corner like seriously i teared up while writing this.
identically placed over the shoulder shot from Mike.
El and Will essentially in the same place in the shot. El: back-lit, Will: illuminated and glowing. a fight with El, making up with Will.
and then of course: what's between Mike and El vs Mike and Will in the shots.
El's family and home diorama is between Mike and El. they're like family. El's grief for Hopper js motivating a lot of her need to hear words of affirmation from Mike. she needs love in her life and without Hopper, she's turning to Mike. "will you be like my brother?" saying I love you only after she lost her father figure in s3. El needs home, family, stability.
the open closet is between Mike and Will. secrets about sexuality, struggling to stop hiding themselves, and their feelings for each other.
and finally to the right: symbols of who El and Will are. El has her mask from her time with Kali, and some her own drawings and things. not part of her Mike shrine, just... her. Will has all of his little knick knacks too, including a blue dinosaur figurine that matches one Mike has in his basement, and a tiger that matches a poster Mike has in his basement.
they're just really good shots!!! a lot packed into them.
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identically placed over the shoulder shot from Mike.
El and Will essentially in the same place in the shot. El: back-lit, Will: illuminated and glowing. a fight with El, making up with Will.
and then of course: what's between Mike and El vs Mike and Will in the shots.
El's family and home diorama is between Mike and El. they're like family. El's grief for Hopper js motivating a lot of her need to hear words of affirmation from Mike. she needs love in her life and without Hopper, she's turning to Mike. "will you be like my brother?" saying I love you only after she lost her father figure in s3. El needs home, family, stability.
the open closet is between Mike and Will. secrets about sexuality, struggling to stop hiding themselves, and their feelings for each other.
and finally to the right: symbols of who El and Will are. El has her mask from her time with Kali, and some her own drawings and things. not part of her Mike shrine, just... her. Will has all of his little knick knacks too, including a blue dinosaur figurine that matches one Mike has in his basement, and a tiger that matches a poster Mike has in his basement.
they're just really good shots!!! a lot packed into them.
dont mind me just trying to reach as far as humanly possible to try drawing some sort of information out of steve & this extra being dressed in similar color blocking with similar hair and trying to connect it to eddie somehow bc the extras are 2 girls with the other having long dark hair with her jacket taken off like when eddie took his off for steve....
This is a lieutenants uniform (correct me if im wrong).
the little circle badge on the lower right (our right)... a coat of arms... there to show what organization they stand with. very similar to the extra in the white shirt. her shirt is also tucked in as it would be in the military.
and who is a lieutenant?
KAS.
who has been referenced as the 5 star general?
Vecna. Kas confirmed. Steddie crumbs confirmed.
not to mention.....
our boy linked with serving in the navy as a sailor.
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Thoughts on something Dustin told Steve at the beginning of S4 and one of the reasons that yes, I do think Eddie is coming back in some way
They've said time and again that there are no throwaway lines in ST.
Can we talk about how odd this line is?
"and maybe.....maybe.....we'd have a little bit more luck if you spent less time trying to find a girlfriend, and more time trying to find Eddie!'
It's weird because the writers focused the action in the line on Steve, when at this point in time he barely knew Eddie.
The more appropriate line would've been "and more time helping us try to find Eddie".
Since Steve himself has no skin in the game at this time and no incentive to join the effort, it would've made more sense for Dustin to put the focus on the group.
This is a line that has yet to pay off. Steve did waste time in S4 waxing nostalgic about his past with Nancy and what could've been. In that way, he spent more time trying to find a girlfriend.
He didn't put more time into trying to find Eddie.
And just like the world crashed and burned around everyone who didn't learn the lessons they were supposed to this season, Steve lost. Everybody lost.
So that tells me for Season 5, in order for the Party to have more luck as Dustin said, Steve needs to try to find Eddie.
Bonus: both Eddie and Steve made a reference to crawling ("army-crawling my way to a D-minus"/'"I can crawl forward"). Now that S5E1's title has been revealed to be The Crawl, I have a feeling Steve will go looking for Eddie sooner than later.
Somebody plz tell me if I’m completely late to the party here but like…
As much as Mike hates the guy, him and Steve are fundamentally the same. Of course, Mike is much nerdier and prone to bullying than Steve ever was, but at their core, they’re both just rich kids who don’t know how to be their own person. They’re both following in their parents footsteps—the polos, the button ups, the khakis…the American dream with a house and kids—and a girl. A nice girl.
And honestly Mike’s distain for Steve is even more compelling to me. Mike sees himself in Steve and he hates it.
Will and Eddie are of course different too, as far as mannerisms and interests go. BUT they share the same core character archetype—the freak. Not to mention the creative streak and the DND and the queer coding (or in Wills case, just blatant queerness.)
I also feel it’s important to point out just how similar Will and Eddie’s disappearances actually are, and the way the public talks about them when they’re gone. Think about it.
So. They’re alike, so what?
Well, let’s break down what happened in S4.
Mike reunites with El and Will in Lenora, and tries to patch things up with El, but ends up spending all of his time with Will and reconciling their relationship instead.
And all the while? El is spending her time in the memories of the lab with 001.
THEN. ALLLLL the way back in Hawkins, Steve is unraveling Vecna’s curse with Nancy and Eddie, and shows signs of wanting Nancy back (which is completely out of the blue, right? How weird!) Except he ends up spending alllll of his time!!!! With!!! Eddie!!! TALKING about Nancy!! The SAME way that Mike and Will are talking about El! And it serves to reconcile each of their misconceptions of who the other was in high school, under a safety blanket of heteronormativity. It’s a direct parallel to the van scene!
(And don’t even get me started on the failures to say I love you in both Mileven and Stancy!!)
Also what else do we remember happening in Hawkins? Nancy being pulled by Henry (001) into the memories of the lab…where Eleven has been the entire season. El and Nancy are the only two people to walk in Vecna’s mindscape without being under his curse…and why? Why connect them? And not just now.
Why dress El up in Nancy’s old clothes?
Why provide strikingly similar shots of them crawling out of the Upside Down?
Why make them both the girl that no one believes?
They are inherently tied (and tied with Joyce, but I seriously can’t get into that too this is getting so long) the way that Steve and Mike are, and Eddie and Will. It’s the love triangles, not just Steddie and Byler.
So now we’ve come to the last bit of this ramble, which is Eddie’s death.
There’s a lot of anxiety and controversy about what will happen between El, Mike and Will in S5, but we’ve already seen what is (supposedly) the older trios end—Eddie dies, and it ends because it cannot continue. There is no closure.
Wouldn’t it follow, then, that Will would die?
It’s scary, right? Eddie, much as we love him, was a fast-tracked version of what we have with Will. He was only a fraction and we got that upset. Imagine what losing Will would be like!
But here’s what I think. I think that Eddie dying—whether he remains dead or not—served as almost an extreme hypothetical. An ‘if your friends jumped off a cliff, would you do it too?’ Because Eddie jumped. Eddie chose his friends over himself. Eddie saw himself as a selfish coward, and decided that the only thing he was good for was helping others along. And it killed him.
And Will? He gave all of his love and work over to make El happy. Because he sees himself as a selfish coward, and decided that the only thing he’s good for is helping others along. Will jumped.
So yeah, Will could die. The self-sacrificing tendencies are there.
Except. Mike jumped off the cliff, too. Literally.
So. When two people are willing to die for each other, is it a weakness or a strength?
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Deep in your veins, I will not lie -Cry little Sister.
On insta I said I was going to do a special picture for Friday the 13th as it's also my birthday. And everyone seemed to agree it was to be Lost Boys or Steddie. So here's Lost Boys Steddie. Steve thinks it's just an innocent beach date and he’s embarrassed by his ketchup accident. And Eddie is trying so hard not to reveal his not so innocent vampire tendencies. Or you could say I just wanted to draw cute guys in leather 😁
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