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itās literally them
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ā A KNIGHT OF THE SEVEN KINGDOMS // 1.06 "The Morrow"
Samās performance beyond incredible
I canāt get over this old man and since i have no one else to tell im dropping it here
Maekar has become such a remarkable character thanks to the actorās amazing performance

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Maekar & the boys
i get how maekar let him get this bad if aerion always looked like this whenever he was pretending to be normal
that his favorite son no doubt especially since Aerion is the only one whoās good at swordsmanship
Gintaka x that scene from Mononoke Hime crossover
Have anyone ever done this yet? I feel like some must have but Iām not sure
Utsuro was a poorly written villain
Quite surprising considering other villains Sorachi has written and even more surprising taking into consideration heās the final boss. I tried to keep this as concise as possible focusing on both the character and the story.
How he affected the story
Gintama, through its comedy and serious arcs, showed how people struggle and overcome different situations in their lives. The main characters, Gintoki, Shinpachi and Kagura, have suffered losses that made an impact on them and on who theyāre. This is especially true in Gintokiās case, since he not only lost the war, he lost his friends and his master, by his own hands. Then, part of Gintokiās story arc was to show how he deals with the consequences of his decision.Ā However, when Utsuro was introduced a large part of the emotional weight said decision entailed dissipated. Gintoki was supposed to be one of the many orphans, one of the many who fought, one of the many who lost. And how with the same events he, Katsura and Takasugi took different paths. But Utsuro changed that, giving them a chance to atone themselves, something no one in the universe could have. At the beginning weāre told this character isnāt Shouyou, they just share the same body, although this would prove to be incorrect later. That Utsuro killed the Shouyou persona, but it still was Gintoki the one who killed his master. That Takasugi knew it all along. The story had to adjust itself to work around Utsuro, instead of Utsuro explaining the story.Ā
The altana
This power helped to explain the advanced technology present in the series and why the Earth was a target. Nevertheless, it was never really explained how it worked. People could regenerate with some blood, or ashes, it wears off after some months or years, can reincarnate, can possess bodies⦠it became the ace up his sleeve to justify the plot. Besides, it was properly introduced to the series pretty late, in chapter 554. Said chapter discloses Utsuro as a being born of altana, but how this happened and what makes him different from Kouka, who died when she moved away from her birth planet, isnāt explained either.
He doesnāt make sense
Utsuro founded the Tenshouin Naraku because the government decided it, then lead the organization for centuries. His backstory is tragic, he was persecuted, tortured and killed. However, most of the time he was very passive in the sense of letting things happen. If people found out somehow heās immortal, why couldnāt he just go to another town once discovered? Or another country for that matter. He always stayed in Japan, letting himself be locked up and leading a group because others told him so for 500 years. He wanted to escape the suffering but didnāt make an effort until the last years of the story, when the Shouyou persona decided to leave and pursue happiness. Later he rejoins the organization in order to end himself by blowing up the entire planet since he canāt die for some reason, although he tried to survive when he fought against everyone. On top of that, dying, as seen in chapter 703, was actually easy.
Being the final villain
What does a final boss, or any antagonist for that matter, need? A video I watched (The Dark Knight ā Creating the Ultimate Antagonist by Lessons from the Screenplay) explains it very well.
1. A powerful antagonist is exceptionally good at attacking the heroās greatest weakness 2. Antagonists pressure protagonists into making difficult choices 3. Antagonists compete for the same goal as the protagonists 4. An antagonist causes the hero to grow
Something powerful about Utsuro was his physical strength and immortality, but there wasnāt any other struggle that actually posed a threat. Despite knowing vital information of Gintoki, he didnāt use it to target any vulnerability of him. Utsuro didnāt succeed into pushing Gintokiās limits, test and reveal his character, either. Maybe he wasnāt the right antagonist to our hero, or maybe he couldāve been if handled differently, who knows. But he failed to have a profound and specific effect on the story and the protagonist. There wasnāt any battle of beliefs and principles, or a moment when Gintoki really questioned himself, or the chance to understand where Utsuro was coming from because of what Utsuroās goal was. He just wanted to die. In order to to that, he must sacrifice the entire planet. The good guys canāt allow that to happen, right? The problem is, itās way too impersonal.
The downfall
Thereās more to be desired of the final boss than be a fully crafted character and complement the protagonist in things such as personality, values and objectives. They need to be the climax of the story, therefore, embody the story. Ultimately, Utsuroās theme was about emptiness, he thinks everyone is hollow and is useless to struggle against fate. But in the end he realizes that, in fact, people are hollow, but because they know that, they can bring other people in to live on inside them. This is the reason why Takasugi couldnāt be the final boss, thereās just not philosophycal weight in him realizing that since it wasnāt his theme and he never detached himself from people. However, since there never was a clash of ideologies between Gintoki and Utsuro, that realization falls flat, also because the way the antagonist is overcomed is essential to the conclusion and Gintoki did it just by hitting him.
I understand that Sorachi didnāt have everything planned from the start and coming up with new ideas each week can be very difficult and stressful. But not being able to craft the final villain since his first appearance (ch. 541 in May 18, 2015) to the last (ch. 703 May 27 2019) itās a shameĀ since it affected the story in a negative way.
TL;DR: OP villain š fails in his quest to be a good antagonist š¢
Just to add on to this, I donāt really see people talk about it but utsuroās existence really ruined shouyou as a character imo. Back then, shouyou said āif you dare lay a hand on my disciples, I will not hesitate to topple the countryā. Back then, shouyou was willing to trade his life for his disciples, and gintoki knew that too, which was why he chose to kill shouyou.
But after utsuro was introduced, we were told that the reason why shouyou picked gintoki up was because he needed someone to defeat utsuro, that he was happy that gintoki killed him instead of takasugi/katsura because the disciples, who will eventually kill utsuro, were spared. He never bothered telling his disciples that heās actually immortal and had an evil alter ego that needed to be defeated. Before the utsuro reveal, he was a nobel sensei who was willing to sacrifice himself for his disciples. After the reveal, he just seemed like an irresponsible asshole who dumps all of his issues on his disciples because he didnāt want to deal with them.
This issue was amplified in the second part of silver soul arc. He let himself get taken away by the cult and gave his heart to gintoki to decide what to do with it. He saw takasugi stabbing himself to save him from utsuro and his response was to walk away. At no point did he ever even tried to confronted utsuro. If utsuro could pull some bullshit altana magic to possess takasugi, then shouyou could have pulled the same magic to get utsuro out of takasugi and save him, but of course he didnāt, despite saying that heās gonna eradicate utsuroās existence.Ā
I think the big problem was that Sorachi tried packing too many things into 1 character. I think if he spread things out more (I believe he was told to end the series without much time, if true then he definitely had to scramble, this sort of thing just isnāt like him) he wouldnāt have written himself into a corner.
If given more time I really could have seen him flesh out the Naraku more and considering their connection to the Ninja and Govāt and just the overall theme of community, having this sort of organization would have been a perfect foil.
Shouyou could have still been Utsuro but he should have stayed human. More of his historical counterparts history could have been included and there could have been some really good commentary about the negative aspects of devoting oneself to their country. Rejecting the Narakuās extremist ideology, seeing the wonder the Amanto brought about (like Shouin did) would have been a really good way to explain where his philosophy came from. We could have seen Shouyouās own little character arc from different characters perspectives like the other wings and maybe even other govt officials. Really force the 3 Disciples to grapple with a past they would disagree with while understanding how it shaped him.
Most of these problems arise in the FS arc and I feel like if Sorachi had made one change it would have drastically changed the story.
Rather than Utsuro coming to stop them it should have been the Yagyuu family.
These guys were the retainers to the Shogun but now that heās dead (they werenāt even part of the party to protect them) they are in a perilous position. Help Nobonobuās faction or their lives are at stake. It would have added so much political and philosophical drama, be a sequel arc of sorts to Kyuubeiās intro arc, and even turn the comical rivalry with Katsura into something dangerous.
Duty vs Love, Retainer vs Friend, Heir vs Freedom, a lot of these questions would have been cool for Kyuubei to think about.
And it would be cool to see the grandpa and 4 aces fight real.
This one change could have triggered a fascinating domino affect. The Rakuyo arc would still work though maybe have Umibozou fight the First Captain of the Harusame or even the Tendoshuu at Shouyouās execution.
The Earth plot would focus on Amanto and corrupt govt interference and how the communities of Yoshiwara and Kabuki district would fight back. It would be a great way to bookend Kyuubeiās arc with Otae, show the dark side of the country that must change, and trigger more development for characters like Soyo to lead that charge.
This series has never really been a typical Shonen with a big bad but seemed more interested in systemic evils.
It could have allowed for characters like Takasugi and Shinpachi to explore what they really wants, have all the Disciples have a broader understanding of Shouyouās growth before he died to allow them to truly grieve, and follow up on threads like the Kamui-Yoshiwara connection, and for the series to explore how they feel about the transition to a different future. (Just imagine if we got an FMA style ending where we just see pictures of the characters in a new status quo, nervous but content with the unknown)
If a big bad is needed, it could just be the Tendoshuu at Shouyouās execution since he appeared multiple times and could offer an interesting perspective to Shouyou that no one else knew.
I feel like if Sorachi was given an actual break or had a better editor he could have plotted some stuff out properly. Heās really good with short Arcs so this was the worst case scenario.
Your ideas are VERY good! I wish you were Sorachiās editor at that time šš
I really like the point of exploring more of Shouyouās past and having Gintoki, Katsura and Takasugi confront it so that all three (INCLUDING Zura) reflect on what theyāve been doing and face their trauma.
The idea of the Yagyuu family being an antagonist is very interesting! after all theyāre the Shogunās servants. I remember thinking they would show up at some point in SA arc, but they never did. It wouldāve also helped further develop Kyuubeiās character.
Another point that you make, and I think the show lost in the end, was how systemic the issues were and how different factions worked to maintain the status quo and oppress people. Instead, weād a ābig badā that oversimplified the problems presented to us. Not to mention that when thereās so much at stake, paradoxically you donāt feel anything. You know that a villain who threatens to destroy the Earth isnāt going to succeed. But you feel the pressure when the threat is on a small town or on a person.
FMAB finale was pretty good. Instead of having a time jump in the middle of SS arc, which was useless, it wouldāve been better to put it at the end to show the new status quo of the characters and what theyāre doing, how theyāve grown. In the case of Kagura and Shinpachi, I feel like with the series finale their potential came to a halt. From the beginning they werenāt related to Utsuro in any way, aside from Gintoki, even though theyāre part of the main trio. So it wouldāve been great if they forged their own path.
I really like the other ideas you mention in the tags, like Takasugi being a teacher, giving Kamui a new purpose, Gintoki healing from his trauma, and the rest of the characters adapting to the new times. Much couldāve been accomplished with more guidance and planning.
Finally, I would like to comment that Sorachi wasnāt told to end the series without much time, it was quite the opposite. They just told him to wrap it up it soon and he agreed. However, he kept delaying the ending over and over again. He is one of the few mangaka who has been given such flexibility.
out of all the things that they were, are, and will be, the one who hurts the most is being estranged.
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Reread Takasugi's death. Itās still pretty bad
When Takasugi died, I was in shock, not because I didnāt see it coming but because I didnāt think it was actually going to happen for various reasons. At that moment I thought that maybe I was being too sensitive and that it would be better to let time pass, it could be that there was something I didnāt understand. However, I still find issues with the writing, and regardless of whether you liked his character, didnāt care, or hated him, the implications of his death are unsettling once seen.
Without going any further, the idea that Takasugi finds a solution to his problems in death is pretty messed up. Itās not a strange thing for me, but this very series actually taught me that we can overcome adversity, that it will be difficult, but as long as we donāt give up we can live beautifully, including our sorrows. Often the series compares Takasugi and Gintoki, Katsura once said that Gintoki suffered the most (referring to the fact that he has more reason to hate the world). Under the logic that whoever suffers the most deserves death to rest, shouldnāt Gintoki have died then?
There is also the idea that losing memories and starting from scratch is a blessing. Interestingly, one of the early arcs in the series had Gintoki losing his memory as the plot, and while he became a productive member of society and seemed less sad, the big problem was that he wasnāt Gintoki, he was someone else. Thatās why Kagura and Shinpachi fought to get him back. Takasugi, like all the characters, experienced both sadness and joy. Negative experiences also play a fundamental role in helping you grow and overriding that is a mistake.
Those are things Sorachi wrote in the past and yet he contradicted himself by putting an ending that wasnāt appropriate for this type of series. Perhaps for one with a darker tone, the idea of erasing your identity to be happy wouldāve been consistent, but not with Gintama. He tried to give Takasugi a nice resolution by resurrecting him through the altana, but seems to have forgotten the implications of being doomed to immortality. That couldāve worked with Takasugi until SA arc, but after that heād a lot of character development, new goals, his bonds were strengthened, a new worldview, people to live for. Thatās why I still donāt understand why he decided to undo what he did with his character and his story.
Sorachi said multiple times he didnāt know how to end the series and it was clear he was unsure whether or not to kill off Takasugi. This became apparent when he showed the events leading up to his death after the timeskip (an odd device in itself) rather than before, when the events occurred chronologically. Later he focused a lot on his character because the only thing left was his fate, but it was set up as if there was only one way to go: Takasugi had to be killed in order to kill Utsuro. However, when Utsuro was defeated, Takasugi remained alive for a few minutes, proving they didnāt have to die together. When Sorachi made him reincarnate, was it because he went back on his decision? Who knows.
But why was dying the only way? Did his death contribute to character or story development? The truth is, no. At the end of the series, everything returned to the status quo. To my way of seeing it, it was only done to shock the readers, something that had been going on for several chapters in which he almost died a comical number of times. The power of Takasugiās death depended on him being a fan favorite more than anything else. In the end, his death was unnecessary and sent a depressing message.
I“m so sick of you idiots and I“m sick of being given the runaround by you fools!
Gintoki said here that even if itās just half the number of times they have crossed swords he still wanted to have a drink with Takasugi. People might see that and go āAww cuteā but if you really consider how many times they have actually crossed swords (246 wins 247 loses) you will realize they have fought almost 500 times (with a sword; we have not counted the ones where they just fought hands). Thus Gintoki actually wanted to exchange drinks with Takasugi for at least 246 times (letās round it up to 300 because why not?). Which is pretty damn much thatās like 300 dates . Almost a whole year of being together thatās what Gintoki wanted in this essay I will...
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So the movie was released a couple of days ago and WHAT DO YOU MEAN GINTOKI IMAGINED HIMSELF AND TAKASUGI DRINKING ALONE IN A HOUSEBOAT AMONG SAKURA PETALS DANCING AROUND THEM??? Bitch you canāt do that to me thatās low
I think when we read that part of the manga we imagined them drinking in one of those beverage stands in the middle of the street, but Gintoki actually dreamed of an exclusive and beautiful world with just the two of them. Come on.
youuuuu kidding wtttf thats so fking romantic shinsuke means the world to him it hurts i wanna see it so bad but even after all this time still my heart isnāt ready,,,,,,,,, I just canāt accept his ending man
Love of my life
Youāve hurt me
Youāve broken my heart
And now you leave me
Love of my life
Canāt you see?
Please God
Bring him back
Donāt take him away from me
Because you donāt know
What he means to me