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hi im bowie im 29 and i love orphans. they/them.
i blog about romance novels, framing devices, death, cycles, identity, and zines+book arts. this is my ao3. this is my lbxd.
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the publishing industry loves to make money, and i think that's where a lot of the impetus to publish former fanwork comes from. The issues imo, are twofold:
1. if you can just scrub the fan part from fanfiction to make it publishable, it probably wasn't a great fanwork and won't be a great standalone work either
2. there are only so many books that can be marketed and published by the mainstream industry. Do we really want the industry to be innundated with more slop that doesn't even do the readers of the service of being original? And are we ok with this stuff taking the place of original work? Like, literally the author of an original romance novel will be unable to publish because Random House bought their 10th Dramoine manuscript.
I respect fanfiction as an artform. I love reading it. I respect the authors who write it. But I do not think that any of the actually good, creative, and original fanworks are being published. First, because it is impossible to divorce them from the source material. Second, because any self respecting fanfiction author understands that their work cannot be divorced from the source material and still maintain the qualities that make it great.
i don't know how familiar you are with my blog. this is a topic i am regularly posting about, i am not brand new. i disagree with both your premises. first, there are as many types of fanfiction as there are iterations of any other literary form, and what makes fanfic "good" is not going to be monolithic, nor will it be a universally objective opinion. second, this is not how the publishing industry works, in my understanding. yes, a limited number of books are published each year. we are now in a serious rollback of diversity after the past decade of high highs. but a successful book in a given genre or imprint (which, maybe youve seen the stats that romance is one of the few sectors making any money) means more books in that area, not fewer. more of that author, more of comparable work, more of other authors willing to write into that genre as well.
please do not come to me and tell me what a "self-respecting" author would or would not do. i think that is a real red flag for lack of engagement in good faith. i have an enormous amount of respect for several romance authors who have published their fanfic, specifically because of the integrity with which they regard their own writing and the craft of romance. i am not interested in dismissing someone solely because of the career choices they have made or the subjects of their writing.
i also want to challenge your idea of "original work". romance as a genre is famously collaborative, iterative, and open-source. i highly recommend the book love in the time of self-publishing, which is nonfiction about the last 50+ years of romance publishing and has wonderful history about the ways that romance authors lift each other up. there are legacies of racism and marginalization that go along with that. in all of these ways, romancelandia reminds me of the history of fandom, especially in the USA. in my opinion, romance novelists and fandom writers already have a lot more in common than either group may realize.
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writing was invented for administrative purposes so really any other use of it is a perversion of the form
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I was wondering if you could explain “fandom is marketing”? I think I get what you mean but then also maybe I don’t?
If something has a big fandom, publishers and studios know they can make money off it. This is why we see publishers openly acquiring and selling things that were originally posted as fanfic, like Alchemised, Heated Rivalry, etc. It’s why the horrid wizard woman considers people participating in her fandom to be supporting her political causes.
Word of mouth is the most effective way to sell people on media, and fandom is word of mouth that costs the creators/owners nothing. Doing Fandom Stuff used to be subversive, but media companies have now figured out that fandom is a form of advertising and they’re no longer worried about it. Those of us who still think of fandom like it’s a livejournal-era secret club we can never let the corporations discover have got to update our self-concept
all the time i look at my blog and im like how did I end up caping for romance authors all the time like not even advocating for their virtue just like trying to say this genre of literature is Neutral its just Neutral as a whole and then you can make a more detailed critique on an individual level. and i refuse to take on this mantle for fanfic too lol im just one person but again the medium of fanfiction does not have to save the world and it doesnt have the capacity to ruin it. its neutral. its a medium. a tool. plenty of non-neutral ways to use a tool but you are never ever going to win an argument by saying look how sacred or cursed my tool is
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like i do get the discomfort of rpf going on the jumbotron but i feel that the reaction whenever stuff like this happens is coming more from a desire to gatekeep a niche hobby (understandable) and to have something to be up in arms about rather than a sense of genuine fear. “doxxed for writing rpf” feels like about as legitimate a threat as “razor blades in my kid’s halloween candy”
"niche hobby" is doing a lot of work here (no judgment)--the now-flickering fourth wall functions both as a means of preventing blorbos from reading crazy shit about themselves and as pretext for denying that we as authors/readers are often doing something kind of creepy (same way our creative pride can serve as a shield). if we're doing something kind of creepy but have the decorum to do it out of sight, that's between us and god and our group chats. once somebody lifts the rock (sorry for all these mixed metaphors) the bugs gotta look at themselves in the light of day. we are self-doxxed. id meet superego! ego good luck!
sorry, no, i've got more. the self-doxx is particularly threatening to the sports rpf ego, imo, because sports fandom writ large is a cesspool of hostile misogyny. a lot of the people participating in rpf want both to be free to make the dolls facefuck in private and to benefit in public from a necessarily feminist cleanup of said cesspools; we know that the cesspools' pieces of shit fart a feminist tune about objectification and consent on this topic. they will fart louder the more mainstream the topic gets. it is unpleasant to be confronted with the idea that our opps have a robust argument to cancel us--an argument that for a lot of us is, frankly, sturdily built on our own wider values system.
to knucklecurve's original point, probably for some prolific/prominent writers doxxing is a non-negligible concern. (i don't think it holds water for the majority who are quiet or careful.) definitely the aforementioned pieces of shit, people who already vocally despise us, have just been handed a lot of ammo they'll use against all women and queer fans. on those terms, at least, that any of us under here would unilaterally lift our rock up/flicker the switch on our fourth wall feels...unkind? shortsighted? selfish is probably the word i'm looking for, unfortunately
you're putting a mirror in front of all of us, which on one level we may deserve. (i guess the argument in the pro-column is that we might enjoy the mirror, too.) but there's ancillary potential harm--the doxxing, the raging misogynists--and moreover: the blorbos might yk actually see this shit without looking for it even a little bit at all, jesus christ
sometimes a theme recurs in your work without your permission. and sometimes it reaches a threshold where you're like. well now i think this is saying something about me against my will. don't know what though
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If you're against censorship you have to be against censorship, point blank. There is no net specific enough to catch the Bad Books that will not also catch some Good Books, for whatever way you might personally define those categories. And it does suck for the dramione books to keep JKR's name in circulation, but it's not like they're the only ones profiting off reinterpreting her work. I'm reading scholomance, a series that certainly exists bc novik read HP and wanted to play with the pieces a bit. So where do you draw that line? Is there something inherently wrong with fanfic? If there is, do we limit anyone who had any practice in that realm, which would include pretty much everyone on this website? It's just not practical at any level. And you may say, it's not that serious, it's just some silly romance novels. But one of these days, the Current Fascism is going to turn its evil eye on the book banning movement. And it will behoove us to be defending the freedom to read smut of whatever in the same breath as toni morrison. That's how it works. No censorship ever, of anything.
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im not gonna go full blown no fun allowed on this bc obviously making jokes and posts is a human right. but this is My Hill. so. while discussing published fanfiction and the increasingly thin veil between ao3 and the author page on a big five website, i encourage you to consider: is there a reason that fanfiction is a "lesser" form of writing practice? where does that association come from, and why is it so prevalent on this, a very fanfictionish website? does it have to do with shame and shame complexes about fannishness in general? what are the benefits of an author completely segregating their tradpub and fanfic work? what legal entities encourage that, and are they in accordance with the rest of your values? why would an RPF writer be more or less viable to cross-publish? what other biases might be coming into play, affecting these opinions?
i dont intend to preach. you might come away from these questions with no change in your opinion. but i think it is very worthwhile to consider why fanfiction in published writing inspires such an attitude of contagion: if this book was ever, in any form, a fanfic, that makes it lesser and worse and banal. i truly dont want to call anyone out, but this attitude is especially surprising to me coming from fellow fic writers. is there something sacred being protected here that im not aware of? and if there is, are the authors themselves the real threat, or is it the publishing industry itself?
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