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Iâm so mad. I had a dream that i had a gorgeous nonbinary butch girlfriend and then i woke up and it was false. Iâm going to spend the whole day irritated

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I saw a comment that I havenât been able to stop thinking abt because it said people who love purple, people who love leopard print and people who love dr pepper all sit at the same table and i just thought of
Shauna is a difficult character to hate because you can so clearly see how she went from point a to point b in her trauma so you feel bad for her intrinsically. Misty is a difficult character to hate because sheâs a walking meme. How can I hate the quig bro
My favorite thing in the world is when someone random makes a post about yellowjackets the insect but the tag is yellowjackets so it automatically attracts members of the yellowjackets fandom and this poor rando whoâs posting about their yellowjackets infestation has 30 stickers of teenage cannibals and tiktok user caligulasbeak666 in their comment section
I would absolutely read that essay about how Lottie doesn't really fit the characteristics of a true cult leader, because I've often thought the same thing. Haven't thought about Shauna fitting the criteria, but would be interested to read about that too!
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So basically, Lottie is often characterized as a cult leader in fandom, which from an objective standpoint is very untrue. Shauna however is definitely a cult leader and Iâll explain why. For the purposes of this discussion we are talking about the contrast in Lottieâs reign as antler queen/leader vs Shaunaâs.
A cult leader has a few defining characteristics, they donât necessarily need to meet all of them but they have to meet at least some.
Cult leaders:
-are often charismatic
-seek power or financial gain over their cult
-lure in vulnerable people with promises of acceptance and community
-exhibit total or mostly total control of the group and do not tolerate dissent, with fear, violence, and perceived outside threats or disasters often being used to keep people in line
-operate alone or with a close inner circle where all truth comes from
Now, already, Lottie doesnât fit the description. She does not want power or leadership as she stated herself, she was only leader because everyone else decided to make her leader due to her connection with the wilderness. Lottie never gave herself anything better than anyone else, she ate the same portions as everyone else and had no significant luxury over anyone
Lottie also does extend any real control about aspects of the group outside of spirituality. She never delivers orders to others about day to day cabin life, and she also never claims to be the sole source of truth from the wilderness- she actually goes out of her way to help others hear the wilderness and connect with it spiritually.
Most notably, Lottie never personally dishes out any sort of punishment for non belief. Shauna, Tai, Ben and Natalie were all avid disbelievers of the wilderness at some point or another, and Lottie never condemns them, punishes them, or ostracizes them. Any and all negative attention they received from not believing was perpetuated purely by other believers and not Lottie herself. She actually goes out of her way to protect non believers in her own way, like the rituals she did for Natalie and Travis in the morning, and takes the full force of Shaunaâs post partum anger herself. Cult leaders are inherently selfish and self serving and Lottie can actually be surprisingly selfless.
The real smoking gun to Lottie not being a cult leader is her giving power over to Natalie. Cult leaders donât really exchange power, and when they do itâs to those in their inner circle who will continue on with their beliefs. Lottie gave all her power to the biggest most vocal opponent of her religion, who proceeded to rule with rationality, not with religion. Cult leaders DO NOT DO THAT SHIT. Never in the history of ever has a cult leader handed over their power to an outsider. That one scene demolished any chance of her being a cult leader tbh
Overall, Lottie would be defined as a spiritual leader, not a cult leader
Shauna on the other hand, is definitively a cult leader.
Her explicit reason for wanting to be leader was because she felt like she deserved power and control over the group and she rules by fear. She first exploits the fear the others have about Ben and the cabin fire, creating an âus vs themâ mindset about outsiders or dissenters that is picture perfect cult 101. And then, when sheâs given the opportunity after Natalie murders Ben, she takes the foundations of the environment she created to create an alienation of people who donât agree with her, like Natalie and Mari. She actually attempts to execute Natalie without trial, blocking Taiâs attempts to give a trial and stating that âwe all know what happens nowâ implying that Natalie should be murdered.
The second she becomes leader, we see Shauna rule with fear, using Nat as an example for what happens when you break the rules, by forcing her to butcher Ben. That alone was like actual psychological torture because remember Shauna threatened her life like 2 seconds ago, if Nat had refused Shauna might have killed her. This also served to sow fear into the main group, I mean Mari was obviously terrified when she was trying to tell Nat that she did good
Thereâs more instances of Shauna implementing fear as a control factor- when Melissa turns against her, she shoots at her demonstrating to others sheâs not afraid to use violence. Thereâs also what she says to Mari after Melissa got shot, âif she dies, you dieâ, the second direct threat on someoneâs life she made. Also, she continues this overbearingly controlling behavior by initiating bed checks, as we see Shauna targeting Natalie at the least to ensure that she isnât harboring any methods of resistance or escape. She also put Kodiakâs head on a pike and used it as target practice, a blatant visual reminder to everyone that thatâs what happens to outsiders and people who dissent. After the hunt, she reinforces control by giving direct orders to others about how to prepare Mariâs body, and then proceeded to force who she thought was Nat to butcher the body. She then made a costume out of Mariâs hair that she wore while forcing everyone using fear once again to consume Mariâs body, the second time sheâs used recreational cannibalism to enforce fear. She harbors the gun as a method of intimidation and control, and directly blocks rescue attempts twice, keeping them all there on purpose to exhibit more control.
Also, while Lottie was genuinely feeling the wilderness at the very least in her own mind and senses, Shauna uses the wilderness as a tool to fit what she wants to do, which is gain power. She doesnât believe in an It, she says it multiple times. She agreed to the s3 hunt because she wanted to see violence happen, no other reason, amplified when it was Mari who drew the queen card
Tldr: shauna is a cult leader who uses a religion she doesnât believe in as a prop to exhibit control over the group, ruling with fear, while Lottie is a spiritual leader elevated to a leadership position she didnât want

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Crazy how lottie is characterized as a cult leader even tho she fits almost zero of the qualifications while shauna fits each and every one of them and ive never once seen that talked about. Does anyone want an essay cause iâve studied cults and cult leaders so much actually
Yeah anyways that was the trial
No guys keep hating sophie thatcherâs acting skills i need meet and greet tickets to be thirty cents
Lottienat is ranked 69th out of the top 100 wlw ao3 ships. Even the ranking number knows theyâre gay
Sophie Thatcher is in Her Private Hell with Havana Rose Liu who was in Bottoms with Ruby Cruz who was in Willow with Erin Kellyman who is now set to do a movie called Cavendish with Sophie Thatcher. Circle of yuri and iâm in the middle of it all

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I guess i gotta be on my korra glazer shit again. If she didnât destroy humanity, i defend her. If she did do it, she probably had an excellent reason. If sheâs randomly evil now with no reason for it, good for her. Watch me ride AND die for this girl
My mom is in new jersey rn and all i can think of is yellowjackets mention. Hey mom has there been a quig sighting yet. Did you take pictures at mount quigley mom. Mom can you bring me back an autograph from caligula and the quig
Sorry for being bitchy and a dick and an asshole about how jackieshauna get more love from this fandom then the explicit lesbian rep who've literally made out and had sex multiple times it will happen again
The crazy thing is i know if van was with a feminine white girl people would love the ship so it really does actually boil down to racism yet again somehow
Yk as much as i might personally dislike them, i am very glad that characters like shauna shipman and misty quigley have diehard fans. Its good to know that women can be devastatingly evil and still have defenders. Hate the characters not the fanbase fr
And i really donât think natalie âlettingâ javi die was wrong on her part. Like genuinely. Because letâs see sheâs a starving teenager who could BARELY manage to run for her own life (rewatch the scene, she was going like 1 mile an hour out of the cabin and even fell down during the chase, she was unbelievably weak prolly from expending all her energy hunting for hours a day in midwinter on very little food) and a boy about her same size has fallen through the ice. She clearly wasnât capable of getting him out alone but still tries to, even calling out to the people who were HUNTING HER DOWN to come help her (knowing damn well if they did they would probably kill her after). And yet, despite that, she has to be manually tackled away from helping him out, and only when it becomes apparent that heâs going to die no matter what she does does she stop trying to help him.
If anything, itâs Shaunaâs fault for telling everyone to wait when Akilah said that they should help him. But even that i also understand because she would rather let someone die passively than have to actually kill someone herself (which she would have had to had they dragged him out because sheâs apparently assigned executioner at birth or something).
I mean itâs kind of ridiculous. Itâs kind of like if van had died in the plane fire in s1 and everyone decided shauna was at fault for being dragged away and then not going back inside the plane after it exploded. Like girl what was nat supposed to do, go into the avatar state and haul him out with her superhuman powers?

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âYou canât actually think the yellowjackets are ALL lesbians-â i can and i do. Tai? Lesbian. Van? Lesbian. Melissa? Lesbian. Shauna? Lesbian. Natalie? Lesbian. Jackie? Lesbian. Lottie? Lesbian. Misty, Mari, Laura Lee, Kristen, Akilah, Hannah, Gen, Britt, Robin, lesbians. Travis? Thats just a butch lesbian. The wilderness? A lesbian. Matter of fact, the (wo)man with no eyes is looking awfully lesbian right now. The only one who isnât a lesbian is ben
I think lottie genuinely hibernated all winter with how much that girl was asleep or knocked out. Which is crazy in contrast with Nat because i donât actually think weâve seen her asleep since season 1