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Hey, sorry about my previous ask. Please just ignore it. I was uncertain and wanted advice, but I shouldn't have placed that burden on you, when this blog is meant for your enjoyment. I like your posts, and I hope you're doing well.
No worries at all! We have all taken a break from this blog for a bit, and honestly didn't see your ask until now.
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Alright since you turned off reblogs on this post I guess I have to do this in an annoyingly roundabout way:
@sapphicsparkles
Girl those "lesbianphobia" tags were people complaining that people deem a woman a lesbian on the basis of "woman who is mean", not people complaining that people headcanon Bo as a lesbian. The problem is "mean woman=lesbian" and the reverse, "lesbians are mean", which are both harmful stereotypes. It's not bigotry it's literally lesbians complaining about the perpetuation of harmful stereotypes.
No intention for alarm, if anyone happens to be friends with the owner of tumblr blog tookas-have-teeth and knows how they're doing and doesn't mind letting us know, we are just looking to reassure ourselves that they're okay.
Hold tight to your internet friends. you never know when they might disappear.
"Anakin may have trauma" lmao nice passive tone. You may be a dumbass (not passive <3). Anakin has trauma, obviously. A slave child whose only parent still remains in slavery obviously will endure significant trauma. You're unable to respond to the well done responses on your post. The reactive attachment disorder, the skilled labor slavery vs physical, the choosing to almost die for strangers as a child is not *healthy.* Anakin does have frightened responses, but it's not as important to the correct analysis that Anakin is reactive. Which is trauma. And yep, that's not an excuse for any of his murders as an adult (I know you need to hear that because you don't seem very capable of grappling with characters without some coddling). It's very easy to understand FYI, just as abuse as a child is not an excuse for abusing children as an adult. But nice try attempting to minimize Anakin's slave background under the premise of fandom. "Why would a slave boy talk back to Padme and Qui Gon if he's scared and traumatized???" LMAO. Are you an actual moron? You should just cling to that reblog about George Lucas's blindspot when it comes to writing, even if they didn't get the trauma. Because ultimately, Star Wars is white people writing colonization so it's not going to be a nuanced conversation. If fans, like you, can't get the slavery storylines that Star Wars borrows, maybe you should realize you're not in the most educated of places all around. Gonna take a wild guess that you're white, too. And feel free to stfu next time.
Absolutely wild anon that completely misses the point of my post. The post doesn’t say Anakin doesn’t have trauma, it’s about Anakin’s trauma NOT coming out the way fans like to pretend it does.
Maybe, before sending anon hate, try learning some literacy skills first. Also try learning how “may” can be used in sentence. It’s not “may” as in “maybe anakin has trauma, maybe he doesn’t” it’s may as in “despite that”.
For context, my original post:
I think I just realized why it always struck me as off when people claim Anakin was too fearful and traumatized as a kid to question anyone in a position of authority: Anakin talks back to Padme and the Jedi Council in TPM with tones I would NEVER have dared to use with my parents or teachers as a child. Plus, when Qui-Gon tells him to stay put on Naboo, his first instinct is to ARGUE, not to obey.
Anakin’s behavior is not that of a scared little boy who cowers before authority and does anything people tell him to do.
We might be told he is/was a slave, and therefore fans assume he has certain issues, but the way he is portrayed in TPM paints a different picture of his personality and behavior.
And my response that includes “may” that apparently pissed anon off so much:
This post isn’t about how trauma manifests. It’s a response to a specific fandom trend of claiming that Anakin—due to being a “traumatized slave child”—is meek, obedient, doesn’t feel like he can push back against authority, doesn’t dare speak up for himself, etc. Those traits that people claim he has are directly contradictory to the traits we are shown in the films, which as I said in my original post is why those claims don’t sit well with me.
Anakin may have trauma, but it does not present the way fandom claims it does. That’s all this post is saying.
Genuinely have no idea how anon got the idea that I’m arguing that Anakin has no trauma out of this, but, well, this is tumblr.
Omg congrats anon you're such a good person for abusing an actual human being in defense of your precious fictional character <3
you really demonstrated how much you care about things like trauma <3
(sarcasm)
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*poke poke* you're back from vacation, are you gonna make more posts soon?
Here's the thing anon: I have a life outside of star wars fandom.
Sure, I'm back from vacation, but I'm also busy with, you know, real life. There are other mods who could post, but a couple of the mods have mental health struggles, and one goes through periods of being suicidal, so we lovingly ban them from participating in this blog during those times and keep an eye on their wellbeing.
I'm busy. We're all busy. One of us is not doing well and we're more focused on making sure they keep chugging along than on making posts for strangers on tumblr.
We have this blog for our own benefit, not yours. We'd be posting or not posting no matter how many followers we have. You might not have been trying to be rude, but this ask comes off really rude. We're not a content machine, we're people.
By fully blocking off any kind possibility of connection related towards any kind outside of that of the Order, the prequel era Jedi made themselves into something that was made out of fear of where those emotions could lead while also, to the wider galaxy’s population, making the Jedi unrelatable in that fear-created difference and that led to the distrust. Cause the growth of distrust came from the populace asking things like “how can you trust someone to say they’re here to protect you and your home/planet/whatever if you don’t have any commonality with which to relate with them?” “How can you relate to an Order that only takes in people from infancy and thus have no common ground in their life journey to you?”
Quote from someone trying to argue on one of my posts^
So first, idk where you get the idea the Jedi can't have any kind of connections. Obi-Wan and Dex are RIGHT THERE.
More importantly, this whole quote just comes down to "How can we trust people who are different than us" which is super gross. You don't have to have common experiences with someone to respect them and their ability to do their job.
Plus, the Jedi aren't THAT vastly different from other people. They still laugh and cry and tease one another and have teachers and students. In fact, given that the Jedi are super relatable for tons of real live people, I think in-universe people should be able to relate to the Jedi just fine.
But again, YOU SHOULDNT NEED TO BE ABLE TO RELATE TO SOMEONE TO BE ABLE TO RESPECT THEM.
This is especially gross in the context of a discussion about attachment and romance and blood relatives. Are aromantic people "unrelatable" and therefore untrustworthy too? How about people who weren't raised by blood relatives? How about monks?
Being distrustful of people just because they live differently than you is a problem, and not the fault of the people who live a lifestyle you find unfamiliar.
Checked my notifs to see some absolutely wild ass claims today. "George Lucas thought the prequel Jedi were wrong about attachment" is definitely a new one tho.
The whiplash I get going between fanon Satine and canon Satine, man. I'll be reading a fic where she plans to kill the children of those who oppose her and then immediately after see a gif of her not wanting to shoot a man who is actively attempting to murder her
I think the thing that frustrates me most rn about being a star wars fan is that I keep having to avoid new material because the writers are SO determined to portray the Jedi, or at least the Council, as cold and out of touch with people. I read the synopsis for STAR WARS: THE LIVING FORCE and it literally is basically one of those fanfics where Qui-Gon tells the Council they're wrong and self-serving.
PLEASE, I am begging someone to write a book that actually appreciates the prequel Jedi and their culture and their empathy and all the wonderful qualities that people have forgotten because they're too busy projecting their personal issues with authority onto the Jedi.
“With some Councilors trying to see the future while others are reeling under the bureaucratic demands of an increasingly corrupt Republic, Qui-Gon challenges them to get out of the Council Chamber and rediscover the Jedi they used to be”
- John Jackson Miller
Like... it's obvious that these authors they're bringing in from legends just didn't care to consume the new material and understand within what canon they'll be writing for.
We see council members going on missions ALL THE TIME. They were going on missions during the clone wars, there's an entire yoda run showing how much he's in touch with his inner jedi (coming out this year like just talk to each other please 😭 why are you releasing contradictory stories in sequence) this entire premise makes no sense ????
"Get out the Council Chamber" lmfaooo like on a field trip? Or like the numerous, NUMEROUS times we see Council members straight up DYING on the front lines?
Like sure this is before the war but even back in Legends the Council was super out there. The Stark Hyperspace War, anyone?
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"Yoda should have allowed the Jedi to change instead of keeping them stuck in the past"
change how. change to become more palatable to Americans who know nothing about how Buddhism works? Change so that you can have your little nuclear families where the Jedi all fuck and get married and have babies? Is that what you want?
Yoda's teachings are all straight up just HOW THE FORCE WORKS.
If you hate the idea of space monks so bad just ignore them and make up your own Force-using culture. There's nothing wrong with the culture the Jedi had. It just doesn't appeal to you personally.
Someone on this post:
I don’t see how disagreeing with the no attachments policy makes me a believer in the nuclear family.
The SAME PERSON a few comments later:
The Jedi have rules against marriage and committed romantic relationships. They necessitate that any force sensitive who wishes to become a Jedi must be a toddler or younger who has to leave their family and stop all/almost all contact with them. We know of three Jedi in content that is currently canon that have/had romantic relationships and only one of them is approved of by the Jedi. I disagree with these policies.
Bro how do you NOT see that you are literally talking about how you have issues with the Jedi not allowing nuclear family structures???????
You are LITERALLY demonstrating exactly the attitude I'm ranting about and idk how you can be that oblivious to it.
since apparently there is confusion about what 'nuclear family' means
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this is a real life term. star wars fans did not just make it up for funsies. if you are 'confused as to how someone is even defining a term' maybe you should at the very least google it first
@sillyzombiedelusion said: letting someone be raised by their biological families and or have a romantic relationship (if they want to!) has nothing to do with the nuclear family 💀 literally like the idea that wanting to have contact with your bio relatives is somehow inextricably tied to the nuclear family is insane- not wanting to traumatize children by separating them from their care givers is not an endorsement of the nuclear family. honestly, I’m kind of confused as to how you even define the nuclear family within this argument. Apparently having a child and raising them qualifies ig 🤷🏼♂️
I'm defining it with the actual definition bro, how are YOU defining it.
I'm tired of replying in comment threads so:
@sillyzombiedelusion said: letting someone be raised by their biological families and or have a romantic relationship (if they want to!) has nothing to do with the nuclear family 💀 literally like the idea that wanting to have contact with your bio relatives is somehow inextricably tied to the nuclear family is insane- not wanting to traumatize children by separating them from their care givers is not an endorsement of the nuclear family. honestly, I’m kind of confused as to how you even define the nuclear family within this argument. Apparently having a child and raising them qualifies ig 🤷🏼♂️
Do... do you know what "nuclear family means"?????
Nuclear family definitions:
Google's English dictionary:
a couple and their dependent children, regarded as a basic social unit.
Cambridge dictionary:
a family consisting of two parents and their children
Merriam-Webster:
a family group that consists only of parents and children
So um, yes, being raised by your biological parents has something to do with nuclear families.
Yes, having a child and raising them qualifies (if you're raising them with a spouse).
Yes, romantic relationships are also connected, because a lot of times romantic relationships are pushed because the Socially Expected Thing To Do is get married and have babies.
It's all connected.
"Yoda should have allowed the Jedi to change instead of keeping them stuck in the past"
change how. change to become more palatable to Americans who know nothing about how Buddhism works? Change so that you can have your little nuclear families where the Jedi all fuck and get married and have babies? Is that what you want?
Yoda's teachings are all straight up just HOW THE FORCE WORKS.
If you hate the idea of space monks so bad just ignore them and make up your own Force-using culture. There's nothing wrong with the culture the Jedi had. It just doesn't appeal to you personally.
#i feel like this is kind of a bad faith take#there is nothing wrong with the CULTURE of the jedi#but not all critiques of the jedi are about their culture#the ‘stuck in the past’ comments are - i think - aimed more at the canon arrogance and stagnation that palpatine took advantage of…#…to ruin everything#the jedi believed so hard in their own infallibility that they couldn’t believe the sith had returned until the evidence was overwhelming#that’s canon#‘if it’s not in the jedi archives than it doesn’t exist!’ - that’s canon#yoda is the one who admits that the archives might be incomplete and asks the younglings he’s teaching what they think#because ‘truly wonderful the mind of a child is…’ and maybe not yet convinced with certainty of the infallibility of the order
Honestly wasn't interested in the rest of the tags so I'm just responding to this.
Firstly, most posts I see complaining about Yoda are shit like "he should have allowed attachment and marriage". My post isn't a "bad faith take" it's a direct response to fandom comments.
Secondly, YODA being the one to point out to multiple Jedi that there is some arrogance among the order, YODA being the one to seek the wisdom of CHILDREN, literally supports the fact that Yoda isn't himself some "stuck in the past" old arrogant ruler like people make him out to be.
Thirdly, I think it's pretty reasonable for the Jedi to doubt that the Sith, who had been extinct for ages, were back when there was no evidence and Qui-Gon didn't even know for sure that Maul was a Sith, but even then they didn't just completely dismiss Maul being a potential threat. Looking for evidence instead of just accepting anything someone says as fact is actually a pretty good way of running things.
#yoda is also like 500 plus years old#he was still a master back when the jedi weren't so full of themselves#at that point once the jedi had basically been peace keeper's#but had become to egotistical by the time of the prequels#so even as wise as yoda was he was still blinded by that arrogance#evil was still around they were just too full of themselves to see it#the force requires balance it had shifted too much into light arrogance and needed a shift#which is exactly what happened via @totallynotgayforyou
Balance does not mean less of the light side. That's not how the Force works. I'm curious what you mean by the Force "needed a shift" because going to the Dark Side is literally throwing things out of balance as per Lucas' description of how balance in the Force works.
Where is Yoda ever shown to be "egotistical" and when is the Jedi "being full of themselves" shown to be the reason they can't be evil. The prequels give us an explanation for why the Jedi can't sense things- because the Dark Side has clouded everything.
the prevalence of certain fandom attitudes towards the relationship between mace windu and anakin skywalker cannot be separated from the fact that mace windu is a darker skinned black man and anakin skywalker is a conventionally attractive white man with blue eyes and blond hair- *gunshots*
nor can it be separated from the fact that mace windu lives a lifestyle that is both asexual and aromantic (in violation of the framework of the the nuclear family) and is devoted to non-western forms of philosophy and community, while anakin skywalker embodies the archetype of the heterosexual, alloromantic, wife-and-two-kids ideal (achieving it is literally his only priority)- *additional gunshots*
"Yoda should have allowed the Jedi to change instead of keeping them stuck in the past"
change how. change to become more palatable to Americans who know nothing about how Buddhism works? Change so that you can have your little nuclear families where the Jedi all fuck and get married and have babies? Is that what you want?
Yoda's teachings are all straight up just HOW THE FORCE WORKS.
If you hate the idea of space monks so bad just ignore them and make up your own Force-using culture. There's nothing wrong with the culture the Jedi had. It just doesn't appeal to you personally.
#i feel like this is kind of a bad faith take#there is nothing wrong with the CULTURE of the jedi#but not all critiques of the jedi are about their culture#the ‘stuck in the past’ comments are - i think - aimed more at the canon arrogance and stagnation that palpatine took advantage of…#…to ruin everything#the jedi believed so hard in their own infallibility that they couldn’t believe the sith had returned until the evidence was overwhelming#that’s canon#‘if it’s not in the jedi archives than it doesn’t exist!’ - that’s canon#yoda is the one who admits that the archives might be incomplete and asks the younglings he’s teaching what they think#because ‘truly wonderful the mind of a child is…’ and maybe not yet convinced with certainty of the infallibility of the order
Honestly wasn't interested in the rest of the tags so I'm just responding to this.
Firstly, most posts I see complaining about Yoda are shit like "he should have allowed attachment and marriage". My post isn't a "bad faith take" it's a direct response to fandom comments.
Secondly, YODA being the one to point out to multiple Jedi that there is some arrogance among the order, YODA being the one to seek the wisdom of CHILDREN, literally supports the fact that Yoda isn't himself some "stuck in the past" old arrogant ruler like people make him out to be.
Thirdly, I think it's pretty reasonable for the Jedi to doubt that the Sith, who had been extinct for ages, were back when there was no evidence and Qui-Gon didn't even know for sure that Maul was a Sith, but even then they didn't just completely dismiss Maul being a potential threat. Looking for evidence instead of just accepting anything someone says as fact is actually a pretty good way of running things.
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Goats????
Goats!
Additional reminder that shitting on the Jedi principles that are drawn directly from Buddhism is not just "having a different opinion about a fantasy culture" it is hurtful to the real live people who practice those very things you're saying negative things about.
"But Newt," you might say, "other authors have done different things with Star Wars. The Jedi are now different than what they were in Lucas' films, so my opinion that they forbid any kind of bond or connection (attachment) is just as valid as your opinion that 'attachment' is meant in the Buddhist sense."
True, other authors have changed things! And you know what I say to that?
THOSE AUTHORS ARE RACIST.
and that is not an excuse for YOU to be too.
keeping your tags: #star wars#fandom wank#jedi#sorry I'm really worked up tonight#I hate hate hate running into this kind of nonsense#actually your opinion is NOT valid it is racist#I really don't care if some other author did it first#that does not change the fact that erasing the Asian influences#or worse saying those things are objectively Bad and having Enlightened characters go against them#is racist
