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glinda arduenna upland getting an "i fixed racism and everyone clapped" moment is so absurd and bad and dumb it loops back around to just being very, very funny. that being said. this cut to the effigy really kills me
all that joy and celebration will forever be built on the demonization of an innocent woman who gave up her life for this and decided to be wicked so glinda could be good oh okay cool let's all die
elphabas really are drawn to the pink glow
being someone who watched wicked the musical the bootleg in middle school and read the books numerous times pre movie yes including the lion one and the series about Rain but also liked ariana grandeβs performance in the movie and has become quite fond of her afterwards is a very interesting positionality. because basically everyone wants to kill you
nice argument. unfortunately for you, i have already portrayed myself as the calm, collected jessica vosk and you as the gay-panicked ariana grande. take that liberals

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I think the reason cynthiana / gelphie hits so hard for me as a bi girl in her twenties is that growing up I didn't feel like there were many queer people (specifically sapphic celebrities or characters) in pop culture that I could point to in terms of representation. so all I really had was queer media. but as far as sapphic media went, we had quite a lot of shit going on - bury your gays trope galore (the 100), shows with queer leads getting canceled (sense 8) or going down the drain writing-wise (OITNB), etc.
(and mind you, we had a bit of a bright spot between 2018-2020 but I really feel as though post-covid, things once again took a turn for the worse)
watching 3x16 of the 100 as a closeted 16 year old made me completely distraught. I distinctly remember watching the episode with my dad and then locking myself in my room and crying in bed. seeing Lexa die really felt like watching hope die.
watching gay cartoons like She-Ra and The Owl House went a long way in healing my inner child, but with toh being cut short prematurely due to homophobia, the wilds & warrior nun being canceled, it wasn't til wicked (2024) that I felt like I could enjoy a piece of queer media again and not have to worry about anything 'bad' happening - because I knew the story of the musical and where to place my expectations as it pertained to wicked for good (2025).
and even though I didn't expect much, Jon, Cynthia and Ariana were able to knock it out of the park with the material they had to work with (I really do think they could've improved upon the messiness of part 2 had Dana been given more leeway writing the script but I digress)
gelphie is a combination of my favorite things when it comes to relationships in queer media - they're drawn to each other in spite of their differences, they hold contrasting opinions and clash, they're morally complex individuals whose biggest weakness is one other, they're character foils, they challenge each other to be better people, etc etc.
and even though they're technically doomed yuri - they're doomed moreso by the narrative than what good they could be/do together, which I find really beautiful and tragic in the most delightful way possible
as for cynthiana.... it's just really fucking refreshing to have mattfleck but for sapphic women. yes I know they're their own people with a very wholesome friendship but I don't think I've ever experienced back to back press tours where it's just two women having the most yin-yang dynamic possible in a very delightful, yuriful way.
and I'm really glad their friendship has persisted through all the bullshit the world has thrown at them. it's a really beautiful thing.
even if things are absolute shit, the people we love will always see us through...
Potentially sad headcanon that after Elphabaβs and Fiyeroβs βdeathsβ Glinda becomes obsessed with wrapping herself in blankets since itβs the closest she can get to having someone hold her. When Elphaba returns she teases her about it because now, whenever she wakes up, sheβs holding Glinda and every blanket they own in her arms.
Glinda, with no malicious intent, sheβs just being herself, says βwell I had to get some kind of physical affection, Elphie, donβt be so judgmental.β
Little does Glinda know, sheβs sent Elphaba into a crisis because what do you mean the only way Glinda got any kind of positive, physical comfort for the last seven years was her pretending her fucking blankets were a person.
Glinda mistakes Elphabaβs silent spiraling as judgement so her response is to elaborate on her reasoning, which just makes things worse. She literally wonβt stop talking, saying stuff like, βwhenever I actually slept it was the only way I could sleep, everyone has a preferenceβ and βsurely youβd want some sort of positive touch in my position, Elphieβ and Elphabaβs had enough.
She just kisses her harder than sheβs ever kissed her and promises Glinda that she will never, never have to sleep alone again for as long as she lives. Meanwhile Glinda has zero clue as to whatβs going on, sheβs just happy to be there.
perhaps the most striking out of oz line is when glinda casually mentions she's had rousting sex. because she's either (1) lying to herself (as most characters in the wicked years do), (2) chuffrey can get it (unlikely, considering glinda said he was boring and no fun), or (3) there's something she's not telling us (also common wicked years occurrence)
Glinda the Gay in Out of Oz
βGlinda never wakened from any sleep, not even the luscious damp sleep that follows rousting sex...β (p. 33)
Your mileage may vary, but I personally donβt picture Glinda having βrousting sexβ with Lord Chuffery. If you know what I mean.
βOn came a line of dancing girls with high-stepping legs, bare to the knee and venturing quite a bit of thigh. In the porphyrous barnyard, General Cherrystoneβs soldiers roared and applauded the arrival of this squadron of hoofers. Well, they were cheery, Glinda had to agree.β (p. 56)
and my personal favorite:
βGlinda noticed that the two puppet menaciers had disappeared. Well, who needed male puppets when females were available?β (p. 57)
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Tried to draw one of my favorite scenes from Brighter Days Inc., the amazing fic by @uisceb. Go read it!!
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extremely long multiple paragraph post about the wicked years, gelphie, gender, and queerness as a social class.
essentially i think what makes gelphie very complicated is that the wicked years series establishes them as clearly romantically linked but never establishes them as queer, or makes an attempt to establish queer women as a legible class with complex relationships to gender and society. I think they arguably do for queer men--for example Sarima refers to Crope and Tibbett as "inverts" and Trism mentions that gay sex isn't accepted in his social class. They also mention that there's a tradition of men playing the role of the female fairy Preenella during celebrations so there's also a history of drag. It's also clear that crope and tibbett approach gender in a way that's linked to their sexuality. but at the same time Trism balks at the idea of dressing like a woman, so gender fluidity isn't universally accepted. There were also a couple different instances where male characters cohabitated in what was implied to be a romantic way. that tells me that queer men exist in the wicked universe, that they're socially recognizeable and legible to other characters, and that it is possible for average people (or Animals) to make a life with each other.
at the same time, we don't really get that same degree of clarity with queer women. someone calls elphaba "a woman who prefers the company of other women" in the opening and like 3 books later someone tells Rain not to get too attached to female teachers. But there doesn't ever seem to be any evidence of how "a woman who prefers the company of other women" is recieved in the world. what is their relationship to gender? what's their social station? there are a couple characters besides glinda and elphaba who are implied to be queer (oatsie manglehand and lurline/preenella) but they're never really discussed as a social class. their queerness is never legible to other characters. also the hints of homophobia that elphaba and rain experience (see above) are never applied to Elphaba and Glinda's relationship. Nanny says that Frex and Turtle Heart are "flirting like schoolgirls" or something like that, but she only says that Elphaba was "devoted" to Glinda in a way that never registers to her as strange.
I think the first book especially is dedicated to exploring the different ways someone who is nominally a woman can be considered evil. queerness is ostensibly one of them, but the social impacts of queerness are never addressed, so it never really makes sense. why would it matter if elphaba had gay sex if we never find out what people think about women who have gay sex? we hear a lot about what Glinda thinks about basically every aspect of society (including "theatre people") and a lot about how people interpret her, but her relationship to elphaba as a specifically taboo relationship or her attraction to women is never something that comes up at all, even when she's talking to other queer characters. And that's the crux of it all. Glinda and Elphaba behave in ways that are queer (and this was done knowingly, and with intention) but they don't understand themselves as part of a class of queer women (even subconsciously, ie "I know what I feel is wrong/different") and neither does anyone else.
And yet when queer women talk about those characters, they not only identify the characters as queer but speak specifically to how their sexuality affects their relationship to society. ie in the movie Cynthia, Marissa Bode, and arguably Ariana are all very invested in the characters' sexuality. Cynthia and Ariana have made it clear that they view Elphaba's queerness is related to her sense of otherness and Glinda's queerness as part of what motivates her need to perform. they were also conscious that queer women as a social class would respond to the characters in a specific way for those reasons.
I also think that legibility is VERY important to queer women generally because a major way that bi women and lesbians experience homophobia is as erasure. For example when pluribus was airing, people were very frustrated that news outlets never identified Carol as a lesbian, because that label is important for people because lesbianism as an identity is so often erased or disputed. or I just finished reading A Desolation Called Peace (also written by a queer woman) and even after two female characters have made out twice, one of them asks the other if she actually likes women. OR how the bridgerton showrunner (a queer woman) talks about the sapphic bridgerton couple is very direct in a way that's very different from how gregory maguire talks about gelphie.
I think there is demonstrably a noticeable mismatch between what the Wicked books think queer women would think about themselves and how they actually ARE talking and thinking about themselves. I don't think it means they're bad books or "bad representation" and I actually really like them, even if I don't agree with everything they say (esp about disability among other things). HOWEVER I do think that queer women reading them will inevitably pick up on the fact that what the author values is slightly different from what they value AND people with homophobic inclinations can and do use the ambiguity around Glinda and Elphaba to deny that there's any sexual or romantic element to their relationship at all. This means that not only are they reading the text against authorial intent and losing crucial pieces of information about major characters' motivations, they also make discussions of the book actively hostile to queer women. I mean I'm not trying to attempt an epic cancellation on a very old bostonian gay man here BUT I do think there are several valuable lessons to be learned here about ourselves and our world