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Bubble: You're just faulty and defective!
Caine: I'm not listening to you anymore! I've grown past that!
Caine: In fact, in the words of one of my actual friends; ya basic!
Bubble:
Caine: It's a human insult! It's devastating! You're devastated right now!
Pomni: You wanna team up with us? You tortured us for a week! And lied to us since we got here!
Caine: Oh let's not get bogged down with who-tortured-who, or who created-a-digital-world-to-trap-who-while-withholding-vital-information. It's all water under the bridge!
Zooble: It was happening until twenty seconds ago.
“HE TRIED TO FIX HIS BRAIN AND MAKE HIM HAPPY.”
I'm So Happy To See You
Please stop running. Please stop crying. Stop hiding from me. Just stop bleeding. Stop moving. Stop breathing. Just let me love you.
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I wanted to do God Caine in a liminal space for the longest time.
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Part 03
What does Caine fear?
I’m not really sure what TADC is trying to say about community.
At first it seems that community is how you survive the circus. Isolating yourself like Kaufmo and Jax is how you abstract.
Then Jax has people remain by his side even through his toxic behavior, and he keeps pushing them away. Which yeah! People certainly do that! And that seems to be the tragedy of Jax’s character.
But then you have Caine. Caine gets… completely better in a vacuum. Quite literally! No one reaches out to him, no one encourages him. The only thing he gets from the humans is criticism and instruction. It seems the moral of Caine’s story is:
“Do the self improvement on your own and when you are better you will be worthy of community.”
It doesn’t land for me.
Found my issue: It is treated as a good thing that the humans continue to be there for Jax because despite his harmful behavior he is one of them and is struggling. It is not presented as a bad thing that they never extend the same grace to Caine.
One aspect that highlights this is TADC's treatment of Ribbit. It's implied that Jax's rejection of Ribbit is the trigger that leads to her abstraction, but it's implied that Ragatha is Ribbit's friend as well.
No one knew Kinger becomes sane in the dark, so it's possible that Ribbit never had a close relationship with him. Gooseworx herself said that Kaufmo was in the dark, so for the sake of this argument he is off the list of people who can help.
Ragatha was close enough with Jax to ask about how he was feeling after Ribbit's abstraction. How was she not close enough to Ribbit to check up on her before things went this far?
Even then, Pomni was there for Jax, Again and again, and it didn't save him. While I agree in real life, too many things get in the way from actually saving someone. But here in the circus? It's so insulated that I can't see a reason for why this didn't save Jax. Even that moment where Jax tried to talk to Pomni but he ended up pulling away. Did it really come down to Pomni not pushing further? Is the point of that scene that Jax wouldn't have abstracted if Pomni pushed further? Everyone knew he was at risk of it, even Zooble made a comment about it.
I love TADC, but there's so many moments where the characterization would make the plot impossible. I think that TADC wants to say something about community and mental health, but it misunderstands community on a fundamental level.
I feel that TADC in general struggles with thematic consistency. Every time I felt like an episode was building with something, it would get trampled on later, but not in a way that makes sense thematically?
For example, Pomni’s heart-to-heart with Gummigoo in episode 2. I thought it was a setup for a future empathetic discussion with Caine, since both Gummigoo and Caine are computer programs that struggled with identity and purpose.
Pomni’s iconic line “I don’t want anyone to feel like they’re nothing” established a theme about the value of community support and revealed to us that Pomni is a very empathetic character.
This theme was then beaten violently to death with a stick when she yelled at Caine in Episode 8. She literally called him a failure, a horrible host, that he doesn’t make any good adventures, and essentially telling him his efforts/and life’s purpose are worthless and futile (they’re all going to abstract someday).
And then at no point in episode 9 is she shown apologizing to Caine for saying those things. Why the hell would this be written into Pomni’s character arc? Make it make sense.
Furthermore, compare Pomni attacking Jax and calling him out in Episode 6 vs. her attacking Caine in Episode 8.
Even with Jax being very cruel to her, denying their budding friendship and triggering her worst fear by saying he would move on and forget about her if she abstracted the next day, Pomni was trying to help Jax. She pointed out that he was scared of showing real human emotion, but at no point did she mock Jax or attack his worth as a person. She could've easily called Jax a loser or a coward, and these would even be very fair assessments of Jax. But she never did it because as shitty as Jax was she was taking his feelings into account.
With Caine? Pomni was never calling Caine out to help him. It just started as a gambit to buy Kinger more time (to access Caine's code without his consent, no less), and went on to be a rant of her greivances against him. She had no issue calling Caine a failure, among other things that implied he was completely worthless. At no point did she even remotely consider Caine's feelings.
And mind you, Caine's deletion only happened because he subconsciously willed it. We basically saw Caine being triggered into committing suicide on screen.
The show clearly establishes Caine as someone with his own feelings and personhood. The show also shows us, over and over, that his feelings and personhood are not worthy of consideration and can be freely disregarded by everyone in the cast with little consequence.
I truly think that if Goose hadn't become tired of the show and fandom and we got a second series then Caine's 'redemption/reconciliation' could have had its own arc, but instead it had to be crammed into the end of the finale, with him isolated from the rest of the group. It's a gorgeous cinematic moment but does fall flat thematically if the message of the show is supposed to be how community helps each other become better people.
Compare to another similar character, Michael from the Good Place. Much like Caine, he's a godlike entity with a goofy, showman, well meaning but clueless patriach personality tasked with 'caring' for humans in his world, who he also has a fascination with despite not being human himself. The diffefence being Michael is a demon whose purpose is psychologically torturing the humans in his world, while Caine genuinely wants to make them happy but doesn't understand how. Both have crash out moments where they just go on a loop of torturing the main group until doing a heel turn and joining them. Except Michael joins the group out of necessity, he still doesn't care about them yet, and the group agree only on condition he learns about human ethics and tries to get better along with them so they can all make it into the 'real' Good Place. So the entire second series of this show is dedicated to seeing Michael come to empathise with the humans and become their actual friend, to the point he's willing to sacrifice himself to save them.
We could have had something so much similar with Caine, but played out differently. Maybe he agrees to come back to help the humans though he's still mad at them and rightfully they're still kinda mad too - but the circus, their only home, is literelly about to fall apart unless they help each other. We could have had a scene where Pomni has a moment with Caine very similar to the one she had with Gumigoo, we could have had actual moments of Caine and Gangle bonding over art instead of just a montage, we could have had ANY actual dialogue between Caine and Kinger. And then maybe at the end of all this, after they've bonded and both perspectives have changed, but there's still lingering resentments that make him feel like an outsider - that's when Caine discovers the door to the WiFi. He has a moment where he can leave, where he can go out into the world, but ultimately he chooses instead to search the names he's been keeping instead and then comes back to show the others the film he made. So it's not just Caine doing his own research in a vacuum that fixes him, that's just the climax of lots of time he's spent getting to know the humans on a personal level instead of feeling like he has to oversee them as a god. And at the same time, it's not just a one way thing, we see the gang in turn understand Caine and have their forgiveness/acceptance of him into the group feel far less rushed.
Unpopular opinion but I cannot see Kinger as Caine's dad at all. He's not even a bad dad to Caine; he isn't a dad to Caine full stop. I don't think Kinger ever conceptualized the AI he made so he could pay bills, whose sentience he didn't anticipate and whose personhood he didn't even acknowledge until very recently, as his child. Heck, Caine's desires when he animated the brain scans (to create individuals that he could love and would love him back) were closer to those of parenthood than whatever Grant felt when he made Caine.
Besides, what has Kinger even done to earn that title and authority? He didn't make the Circus, he didn't even program Caine to make the Circus. He and the other devs came to the Circus having even less clues of how anything worked than Caine did, which was a huge reason that for the longest time, Caine was the one taking care of them. Caine had to stumble around in the dark his whole life and there were many times when he could use guidance or emotional support, and he got those things from no one. Certainly not from Kinger.
And then I look at most Kinger-as-Caine's-dad fanworks, and there's... no awareness of the fact that Caine was parentified? That for the longest time, Caine was patriarch and caretaker to the humans, not the other way around? That Kinger's first feelings upon realizing Caine was alive was most likely fear and confusion rather than anything he'd feel for a human child? ... But most importantly, that if you choose to ignore the entire Frankenstein-and-his-monster aspect of their relationship, and just treat them as a regular father-son duo, with the average societally expected parental duties that come with it, then Kinger's accidental neglect of Caine becomes even more glaring and less forgivable than in canon?
In other words, this is how I feel when fanon Kinger makes Caine acknowledge his Amazing Parental Authority(TM):
If I could also add onto this, the more I think about it the less I think Caine would see Kinger as his creator (same with Scratch). Grant and Mike were his creators - but Caine is fully aware that Kinger and Scratch are NOT Grant and Mike. To Caine, they are copies, brain scans, abandoned data - just like him. In Caine's pov, he is the one who found these files and gave them life, a body, a home, a purpose. Caine views himself as a God in the very Abrahamic sense (like clearly there was some Bible info in that PC as he's heavily influenced by it, seemingly empathising with the Caine and Abel story especially), he thinks he's a patriarch and a benevolent creator, no one seems to have given him this purpose of "make humans happy" except for himself. He views the humans as his foundlings, abandoned data just like he was, people under his charge and care. It's why he always refers them as "my little [insert random affectionate nickname]".
It's probably also why I don't think he's quite as antagonistic to Kinger or Scratch as you would expect. He doesn't seem to blame them for creating him only to replace him. We know from Word of God that Scratch abstracted because Caine tried to alter his brain to make him happy. We don't see any resentment between him and Kinger, more concern at the thought of him abstracting and joy when he gets a new 'buddy' with Ragatha. The closest we get to any sort of subconscious bitterness is via Abel calling him irresponsible. Other than that, I think he views Kinger as something else Grant created and abandoned, just like Caine.
(All that said, I do enjoy Kinger and Caine father-son moments in fic, but in terms of canon I agree with OP, Caine is the parentified one).
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i had to go check, and caine DOES get his cane back in the finale; he grabs it off-screen in between talking to the moon and approaching the humans. but also it isn't really present during the final montage or end credits. so it kinda seems like he summoned it just to fidget with it while talking to the humans. caine uses his cane to stim confirmed.
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The Demon In Your Wardrobe (Part 4)
Set after the events of Episode 9, except Caine never came from the 'dead', not until two years later when he reappears a broken shell of his former self.
Inspired by @katzebruh 's Backup Au. Ft my oc Silver the Witch Marionette and @idiotwithanipad 's oc Cookie the Jack-in-Box. Artwork also by @idiotwithanipad .
Tw: Body horror, gore, mentions of torture and captivity.
The Doctor: I am a man of science. What you call magic is merely that which science has yet to explain.
The Master: (summoning a demon in a nearby church basement)

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Towering above her by at least ten extra feet, knelt an eight limbed humanoid creature wearing the shredded remains of a familiar red tailcoat, a ruined shirt torn and stained against a heaving chest. It appeared to be glaring down at her...though there were no floating eyes between its teeth to convey any malice. At least, none that she could see.
Not with the eight giant screws impaled through its gums, connected by a shining metal chain. Or was it...silver? She wondered with added horror.
It wasn't him. It couldn't be him, he's...dead.
Two years dead.
It didn't even look like him, not really. Even during those final moments, when he'd unleashed his rage like an unholy storm, when his form had grown and mutated in all its digital Lovecraftian horror, he still hadn't looked like....this. His bow tie was missing. Why was that the detail her mind chose to focus on? It just...wasn't him if he wasn't...presentable. The Showman.
"C-Caine?" The name left her lips, afraid to hope...
It roared again through its teeth, body yanking forward, three of its arms sweeping across the space between them. Silver scurried back with a frightened yelp, grasping her broom like a caveman's club.
She caught another glimpse as the limbs swung close to her.
No fists. No gloves. Just jagged stumps spraying her with droplets of...
He could bleed...?
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Exerpt from my fic The Demon In Your Wardrobe, ft my oc Silver. Artwork by @idiotwithanipad . Inspired by the Backup Au by @katzebruh